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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 12:14 GMT
#1095
so rels. youve read a scum game of mine earlier.
did you take a look at my town games?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 12:18 GMT
#1097
I really dont know what to make of Rels now.
At least he put a ton of work into this.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 12:19 GMT
#1098
All my games are linked in my profile.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 12:23 GMT
#1099
One of the things to consider though:
if the 2 scums are in Rels, SL and Kmatt (which is still likely). I am one of the few remaining options for them to get a ML.
As SL and Rels basically cant realistically SR each other.

Which I why I yesterday said: "I am looking forward to see who the suspects are going to scumread."

have a hard time figuring out if rels is the scum or just scum siding atm.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 12:24 GMT
#1100
LS also really needs to get in here. his absence is making me nervous.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 12:25 GMT
#1102
And even if SL and Rels are both town, I still think Kmatt is scum.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 12:27 GMT
#1106
On December 22 2016 21:25 Koshi wrote:
##unvote

I can't keep this up.

##vote Lighteningstrike

Thing that gives me pause:
On December 22 2016 13:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got back home from pokemon and I see no one got killed :D Idk if scum would hold their shot there it would be very dumb for them to do so since that would gain a ML which doesn't favor them at all. I now voting Kmatt due to stuff I said earlier.
##Vote: Kmatt




okay now i am starting to get the feeling something is really wrong here.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 12:42 GMT
#1108
On December 22 2016 03:59 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I was just way to pissed off that ExO still got lynched despite me and Koshi tried to start the wagon on Slam :\ I fine with a Kmatt lynch since Slam does look a bit better post lynch. Kmatt's early game talk is so weird around sicklucker which me and HF pointed out. Hopefully this game will get easier tonight.

Why did LS want to lynch slam together with Koshi and not Kmatt with HF then EoD? Like yes he thought Slam was the betterest lynch, but he was super hard defending ExO_... so if slam wasnt happening, wouldnt try to get 5 on kmatt instead make sense?
He even has Kmatt in his PoE?
On December 21 2016 07:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2016 07:21 Koshi wrote:
On December 21 2016 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys I really do think Slam is the better lynch here over ExO since I had read some of ExO's past games and ExO seems to be playing his town meta and Slam hasn't done much other than agreeing with people on stuff outside of his talk about rels and some stuff in that post but that was it. We should really lynch Slam over ExO due to my reasoning.

LS give me your top 4 names that could be mafia please.

Slam, Kmatt, sicklucker if doesn't prove he is town by day 3, then idk honestly I been asking people what the case was on dis since everyone talked about him being scummy and all but no one mention a case.


Oh. He disappeared like 2h - 2h30 b4 deadline and returns shortly after:
On December 21 2016 10:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I had gone out with my parents for some shopping and figured ExO was town on meta yet no one listened to me

Though that is quite a convenient post to make for scum too...

Still he missed HF suggesting:
On December 21 2016 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
I think we should lynch kmatt, that re-entry to the thread and saying nothing annoys me

by 15 mins...

*sigh*
yeah I dunno I just want to see kmatt and LS come back and post a bunch. -.-
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 12:45 GMT
#1110
On December 22 2016 21:38 Koshi wrote:
what do you mean?

still think it is kmatt + x.
dont see ls making that post if ls is x.

buuuut thats also getting into the area of preflip association. so I think I should stop that.

think it would be better for me to decide who the 2nd most scummy person after kmatt is.

didnt someone say that LS posts way less as scum? can anyone confirm?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 12:47 GMT
#1113
On December 22 2016 21:42 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2016 21:19 disformation wrote:
All my games are linked in my profile.

I went through the last one IE star wars where you were cop and die N1. BTW It was painful to reread me being shennanied for 0 reason.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/512849-star-wars-rogue-1-hype-mafia?user=disformation&view=all
It's true that you have a lot of interactions with what's happening with the thread. But not always. Here are a list of posts that I think weren't copies of someone else opinion OR where you go against what someone is saying:
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2016 17:38 disformation wrote:
I hate how everyone seems to think I am good at this game.
Also went through geripts walls and tried to add up his reads/comments via a point system:
(note that this is an interpretation)
-: bad post
+: good post
|: meh post

trfel: - - + -
disfo: + - -
tw: - - -
palmar: | - - -
scott: + -
vivax: +
koshi: +
hf: | +
TT: + - |
rb: -

mostly lines up with his actual reads at the end of his second wall.
kinda want him to explain why he doesnt think palmar is scum despite disliking a lot of palmars posts + the questions I asked earlier.

On August 29 2016 20:57 disformation wrote:
also geripts scumread on me is a bit weird.
His comments on me:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:
This post is kinda towny. I wish the "why not?" weren't a question. The confident "come at me bro" aspect of it I like, but the question mark throws a damper on that somewhat.

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:
I really don't get this post. I feel like any decent player would've ignored this shit already regardless of alignment.

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:
useless passive rehash


So where does the scum read on me even come from, the above doesn't seem very conclusive.
It is kinda hidden in the parts where he talks about HF. On HF's read on me:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:
I really like this. I liked it when I first saw it and I like it again now. Sadly I don't think it says anything about HF.

Then he likes some on HF's posts:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:
I like the followup though even if it is passive.


Only mentions of HF, which lead to a TR on HF (after saying HF's case on me is NAI for HF) and apparently he is sheeping HF's case on me, cause I am not sure why he would think I am the most likely scum from the things he said on me?

The more I look at geripts post the more inorganic and constructed I think it is. Might also be written in this hard to follow/read way to look like work has been done and making ppl less likely to want to read it.

On August 30 2016 18:50 disformation wrote:
was skimming a bit through some tw and tt filters in other games.
tw doesn't really look like either his town or scum games imo.
for tt i need to find a recent town game. there are similarities to his scum play in shin megami tensai, but those are rather shallow imo. like his entry does look similar and his lists look similar.

On August 30 2016 21:01 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 20:58 Vivax wrote:
I like TT better now his later posts are pleasant to read which is nice so I can stop being salty. I still think he can be mafia but for now I have a reason not to further talk about him.

I'm trying to meta TW now but I feel like I have a hard time doing it based on content. Only apparent thing so far is that as mafia he would come in every 3-4 hours on average and shoot a salvo of 4-5 posts.

He feels much more present this game so idk. I am tempted to just not have a read on him, watch town mislynch on D1 (that'd be my best case cause then I wouldn't be the guy who was wrong + schadenfreude) and just be the baller who was on scott all along.

I think that this is the scummiest thing to be posted as of yet this game.

On August 30 2016 21:05 disformation wrote:
voting vivax. will maybe write a case later.

On August 30 2016 21:15 disformation wrote:
ppl explaining their town reads on vivax might be cool.

Then later backing off the easy lynch:
On August 31 2016 00:04 disformation wrote:
blah. im not feeling the vivax lynch.

On September 01 2016 00:34 disformation wrote:
random tinfoil:
why is vivax only going after easy targets?
scott is know to get misslyched a ton (no offense) and geript has like no time to play.

On September 01 2016 01:11 disformation wrote:
plamar
has already been questioned and pressured about his vote. if scum not for his vote.
vote suspiciousness: low
tw:
the voting itself is fine. votes scott to save himself and then switches to rels cause he didn't think scott is scum. though this statement is very waffly:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:50 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't even think Scott and geript are scum anymore
well, by game logic I think one of them has to be

Also has weird reads around eod, so he really needs to step it up D2.
vote suspiciousness: low-medium
koshi
really likes the tw lynch. switches after rels dun goofed. think koshis reactions are genuine and indicate he cared about the lynch. he also was on Rels earlier D1.
So I think this looks okay.
vote suspiciousness: low-medium
vivi
leads scott lynch all day. wasnt around at eod. so far looks perfectly fine and reasonable, but this post:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 00:02 Vivax wrote:
On August 30 2016 23:57 Race Bannon wrote:
On August 30 2016 23:45 Vivax wrote:
I like this post. If you gonna call me mafia at least call me a dirty little scumfuck, or a conspiring backstabber. Just don't randomly shit on my posts.

It would make sense for you to say that, if your case was good. Do you believe your case was good?

I'm asking because I believe that scumhunting is about forcing scum into a corner where they have to lie, and hope that I can tell when that happens.


Absolutely I believe my case was good, I also believe the arguments on TW are good. I am just too proud to admit it and switch my vote, which won't be necessary cause I'm fairly sure mafia is getting trashed.

super confuses me. despite leading the scott wagon all day and not buckling with his vote he is a bit like "oh nah, I dont really care which one of the two gets lynchend."
Dunno. I would have expected him to care a bit more about scott? Or even if you scumread both, push a bit for the one who you think has the hgher chance to flip scum? Well, he never unvoted scott, but it kinda gets my paranoia going.
vote suspiciousness: medium
geript
had his long stretch of voting me despite giving me a bunch of town points in his latest batch.
and then votes dane? well it is in line with him having not much scum reads and these posts:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 17:33 geript wrote:
Dane's kinda an odd duck. Everything is black and white as if he types sitting in proper posture. He just doesn't look comfy; being new, I'm guessing, it's a bit understandable. It's very odd to me that his opinions are so polarized while not coming across as confident. Idk about him, but I think he's the best fall back option available. We're not likely to get any better info or post on him, so just lynch him if there's not a better target.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 05:24 geript wrote:
On August 31 2016 05:20 Holyflare wrote:
Hey yeh so the bad thing that is almost definitely ego thing is that palmar sheeps koshi's tw case and then ignores that I've posted one and hasn't town read me.

That's pretty scummy.

I've been thinking about Palmar a lot while doing other things. I'm really tempted to case him but then when I organize my thoughts it comes down to little stuff that I don't like. I just don't feel in any way confident about reading him. Like the best reasons to call him scum is basically how differently he reads me in comparison to you and Koshi and his not wanting to lynch Trfel to potentially confirm himself as town. The first is ok, the second is like a Palmar wifom game. TBH, I'm most interested in lynching Dane right now. I don't hate the TW stuff, but it doesn't make me very hard.

and I guess some ppl were considering dane sheannanies, but still feels a bit odd, to throw out a vote like this, when it is really close between TW and scott at the time.
That was the VC right before geripts vote:+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2016 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote:
Day 1: Vote Count #7
[image loading]



Votes:
  • Rels (0) - Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock
  • Trfel (0) - disformation
  • disformation (1) - Holyflare, Koshi, geript
  • Tumblewood (5) - Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
  • Koshi (0) - DanelerH
  • geript (2) - Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
  • scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels, Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel
  • TicTock (0) - Tumblewood
  • Vivax (1) - disformation, Race Bannon

Not voting: -

Currently, Tumblewood is set to be lynched.




Remember, voting is mandatory. Please vote in the voting thread. If the vote count is not accurate or contains errors, please PM a host.

Day 1 will end in (deadline being Tuesday, Aug 30 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).



still going to keep it at a medium, cause it lines up with his thought progression and he legit seems to be screwed on time.
vote suspiciousness: medium


Ah yes. That game I had the huge problem that I couldnt decide which town leader to sheep. So I was super torn all the time. Very painful game indeed.

Turns out all the town leaders were scum. =D
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 13:00 GMT
#1123
On December 22 2016 21:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2016 21:45 disformation wrote:
On December 22 2016 21:38 Koshi wrote:
what do you mean?

still think it is kmatt + x.
dont see ls making that post if ls is x.

buuuut thats also getting into the area of preflip association. so I think I should stop that.

think it would be better for me to decide who the 2nd most scummy person after kmatt is.

didnt someone say that LS posts way less as scum? can anyone confirm?

What if Kmatt is not mafia and it is Rels + LS?

Huh. Let me ponder that.

Thing with Rels is: there is 100% something "off" with him.
Starting with his read on me (though could have been an honest mistake) and then the super weird mindmeld with SL.

So rels is currently giving me an headache. I also havent seen rels put this much effort into a game for a long time. No idea what that means for his alignment though.

It is not impossible for kmatt to be town. Still think his EoD posts were supra bad.

LS i could actually see. Though a big part of that is activity/inactivity.

And there is still SL who seems 100% that Rels is town...
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 13:03 GMT
#1124
On December 22 2016 21:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2016 21:49 Koshi wrote:
On December 22 2016 21:47 Rels wrote:
On December 22 2016 21:25 Koshi wrote:
##unvote

I can't keep this up.

##vote Lighteningstrike

I saw two posts that I think are pretty hard for scum!LS to make.
On December 22 2016 04:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 22 2016 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
On December 22 2016 04:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 22 2016 04:12 Koshi wrote:
On December 22 2016 03:59 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I was just way to pissed off that ExO still got lynched despite me and Koshi tried to start the wagon on Slam :\ I fine with a Kmatt lynch since Slam does look a bit better post lynch. Kmatt's early game talk is so weird around sicklucker which me and HF pointed out. Hopefully this game will get easier tonight.

Rels is going to go ham.

What you mean by going to go ham?


He typod. He meant he's going to get ham from the supermarket.

You sure he meant that?

On December 22 2016 05:14 LightningStrike wrote:
I think you just were trolling me HF -.-

These. This is his personality. If he was scum and working on imitating his town meta I don't think he would be able to replicate his natural naivety.

Ofc he can. Being mafia doesn't remove that at all.

That's not obvious to me. LS have had a very hard tim eposting as scum until that millionaire game. I'm gonna see if he was able to replicate his naive posting there

I heard LS was able to break meta that game and won the game for scum of that.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 13:17 GMT
#1127
Oh crap, we still need 5 for the majority. -.-
that will be fun
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 14:13 GMT
#1139
On December 22 2016 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
Maybe exo flipping green/blue bugs me to. Who writes blue as well?

Specifically mentions blues in his very first post, too...
On December 19 2016 10:41 Kmatt wrote:
It begins.

Also hello to Shapelog and Darthfoley (where did he know me from?)!

Looks like we won't know about what setup we get unless a blue does something. GLHF

disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 14:17 GMT
#1140
Not sure if there is a connection, but I kinda have the Lunaticman read on him now. -.-
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 14:31 GMT
#1142
On December 22 2016 23:24 Holyflare wrote:
?

Remember the read luna had on me in onegu 2, based on my entry post? this kind of thing.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 15:20 GMT
#1188
[image loading]
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 15:22 GMT
#1190
I think hf is trying to say that kmatt basically just posted a seal?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 15:27 GMT
#1194
But yeah his post is so ultra horrible i have no idea what to think of it?
Why would scum post taht? why would town post that?
Like this part:
On December 23 2016 00:05 Kmatt wrote:
Wow I didn't expect to that. But I just don't know of a way to salvage this one. That was the biggest thing that made me nervous about Exo: if he flips green, not only do we get closer to losing, but I have no way to explain myself out of it. I kind of resigned to having thrown the game right there. Of course that was under the assumption that there would be a NK followed by my lynch. That would set the game 3-3 and GG.


3-3?! what? there are not even 3 scum in the game...
super randomly giving up after 1 ML. What? PPL get shit wrong all the time... you keep looking for scum.

And I have no idea how he suddenly can become so clueless/defeated after playing scum just fine the last game... where he also had at least one post in the night phase.


Soooo... trying to play super hard for the newb card?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 22 2016 15:33 GMT
#1198
On December 23 2016 00:29 Kmatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2016 00:27 disformation wrote:
But yeah his post is so ultra horrible i have no idea what to think of it?
Why would scum post taht? why would town post that?
Like this part:
On December 23 2016 00:05 Kmatt wrote:
Wow I didn't expect to that. But I just don't know of a way to salvage this one. That was the biggest thing that made me nervous about Exo: if he flips green, not only do we get closer to losing, but I have no way to explain myself out of it. I kind of resigned to having thrown the game right there. Of course that was under the assumption that there would be a NK followed by my lynch. That would set the game 3-3 and GG.


3-3?! what? there are not even 3 scum in the game...
super randomly giving up after 1 ML. What? PPL get shit wrong all the time... you keep looking for scum.

And I have no idea how he suddenly can become so clueless/defeated after playing scum just fine the last game... where he also had at least one post in the night phase.


Soooo... trying to play super hard for the newb card?


Oh wow there actually are only two scum. I was under the impression it was three this whole time.

I feel like I walked right into a setup here.

Well. Who do you think is scum?
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