EPTOn August 30 2016 05:09 Koshi wrote:
So I spoilered everything terrible about this case. Seriously... I could take the exact same quotes and make it a case on why scott is town. He is lighthearted, enjoying the game and if you pay attention he keeps track of the game. Fact is that he instantly knew everybody already posted when TW complained how "bad" the game was. And he knew that because he already put down notes for everybody in a spreadsheet. How many mafia make spreadsheets with reads? The answer: + Show Spoiler +.
Nothing in your case strikes me as mafia scott. Sure, some questions could also not be asked... But asking random questions gauging for reactions is called scumhunting and advancing the game.
tldr: Scott is town and you are mafia or very bad at the game.
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On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:
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Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested.
Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check.
Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once.
Low committment to his declared opinion. Check.
Random low seriousness post. Check.
Just for fun he checks Rels last two games.
He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded.
"Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT
"Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk.
Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check.
I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier.
Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check.
Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check.
His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check.
Random question.
Useless question.
COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment?
Random questions.
Random questions.
Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope .
Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town
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Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment.
Spoilered road to enlightenment.
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I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.
Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.
So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.
What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff.
So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played:
- no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics.
- no committment to what he said.
- liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash.
- + one could go on about finding similarities.
Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia.
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I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.
Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.
So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.
What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff.
So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played:
- no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics.
- no committment to what he said.
- liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash.
- + one could go on about finding similarities.
Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia.
THE CASE ON SCOTT
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On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote:
Woohoo! Let's do this.
Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM?
Woohoo! Let's do this.
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On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.
I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.
I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row
Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM?
Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested.
Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check.
On August 29 2016 06:24 scott31337 wrote:
More of what I was thinking
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
Or he is mafia with him!
2 found?
On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.
Or he is mafia with him!
2 found?
More of what I was thinking
Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once.
Low committment to his declared opinion. Check.
On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote:
Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.
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On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.
Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.
Random low seriousness post. Check.
On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote:
So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all
So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here)
and the other he starts just talking shit
Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks.
This could be a good idea.
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On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:
Ah fantastic.
No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.
You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.
But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.
He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.
On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:
please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?
On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.
please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?
Ah fantastic.
No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.
You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.
But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.
He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.
So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all
So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here)
and the other he starts just talking shit
Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks.
This could be a good idea.
Just for fun he checks Rels last two games.
He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded.
"Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT
"Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk.
Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check.
On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote:
He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean?
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On August 29 2016 06:44 disformation wrote:
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?
Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays.
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?
Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays.
He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean?
I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier.
Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check.
On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote:
This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP.
Did you roll mafia again?
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On August 29 2016 07:07 Race Bannon wrote:
I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory.
I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory.
This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP.
Did you roll mafia again?
Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check.
On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote:
Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad
Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad
His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check.
On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.
Could you tell me more?
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On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me
Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.
Could you tell me more?
Random question.
On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote:
DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone?
DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone?
Useless question.
On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote:
Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland.
Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland.
COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment?
On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts?
Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts?
Random questions.
On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote:
Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else?
Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else?
Random questions.
Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope .
Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town
So I spoilered everything terrible about this case. Seriously... I could take the exact same quotes and make it a case on why scott is town. He is lighthearted, enjoying the game and if you pay attention he keeps track of the game. Fact is that he instantly knew everybody already posted when TW complained how "bad" the game was. And he knew that because he already put down notes for everybody in a spreadsheet. How many mafia make spreadsheets with reads? The answer: + Show Spoiler +
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Nothing in your case strikes me as mafia scott. Sure, some questions could also not be asked... But asking random questions gauging for reactions is called scumhunting and advancing the game.
tldr: Scott is town and you are mafia or very bad at the game.
I have seen 1 mafia trying to pull that spreadsheet thing. He was lynched when he wasnt unable to keep it and town realized he was just trying to cruise along based of the effort of doing that.
