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On February 19 2016 06:31 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 06:28 Breshke wrote:
Trefel did you see my post on tumble/what do you think? I think that the point about claiming, while it is a contradiction, is secondary to the overall picture of Tumblewood's play. I do find the read switch on Palmar quite suspicious, but here's the thing. If you look at most people's play as mafia, Tumblewood's included (at least, those people who actually try), their filter is largely consistent. They'll scumread someone and keep scumreading that person, and if they start pushing someone else, they'll say why. The way that Tumblewood goes about that read switch in such a careless manner makes me hesitate to scumread him for it, give how deliberate he was with his votes last game. This makes the Palmar switch feel less relevant given Tumblewood's play as a whole.
But what else can he do there? He was not pushing anyone because shape was no longer a valid option. What other option as mafia does he have there but to carelessly join one of the leading wagons. Also not to sound like a dick but I don't think you should let one games worth of meta affect you that much.
Could you explain the bolded I know you've mentioned you think his general play has been townie but why?
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On February 19 2016 06:37 nooniansoong wrote:
vig you suck for shooting SL over scott or GB/
vig probably is GB
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On February 19 2016 06:50 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 06:26 Breshke wrote:
So you hard claim the investigative role?
Also why are you so sure you watched the Vigi?
Also you out who it is first to confirm your role This is probably the best post since EoN. Shape you already claimed who you watched. Just finish off the claim with who shot Eden so we can confirm you.
no he said he got nor esult, I.E. there is a godfather who sent the kill
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On February 19 2016 06:53 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 06:40 Breshke wrote:On February 19 2016 06:31 Trfel wrote:On February 19 2016 06:28 Breshke wrote:
Trefel did you see my post on tumble/what do you think? I think that the point about claiming, while it is a contradiction, is secondary to the overall picture of Tumblewood's play. I do find the read switch on Palmar quite suspicious, but here's the thing. If you look at most people's play as mafia, Tumblewood's included (at least, those people who actually try), their filter is largely consistent. They'll scumread someone and keep scumreading that person, and if they start pushing someone else, they'll say why. The way that Tumblewood goes about that read switch in such a careless manner makes me hesitate to scumread him for it, give how deliberate he was with his votes last game. This makes the Palmar switch feel less relevant given Tumblewood's play as a whole. But what else can he do there? He was not pushing anyone because shape was no longer a valid option. What other option as mafia does he have there but to carelessly join one of the leading wagons. Also not to sound like a dick but I don't think you should let one games worth of meta affect you that much. Could you explain the bolded I know you've mentioned you think his general play has been townie but why? what else can he do as town? the same exact thing.
yeah but there seemed to be no guilt in doing the thing in which he just called scummy.
On February 19 2016 06:59 Trfel wrote:
I mean, I've played in a lot of newbie games. I'm really good at townreading newbies (sometimes incorrrectly, to be fair). It's just trends that I've seen. I might very well be wrong, but this is just what I think.
It's not just that Tumblewood switched to Palmar, it's the way that he did it that makes it feel more like a throw-away. He also could have probably just sat on Shapelog and pretended to AFK or something.
Like, if I'm mafia and I'm going to vote on a town vs town lynch that I don't care about, I'll be like "Palmar is mafia because he hasn't been doing things or given any explanations for his reads". Which is a lot better than "I can't stand not lynching Palmar". Which one did Tumblewood go with?
If you don't get the newbie trends, and you don't get the meta, then whatever. Tell me when the last time was that you saw mafia, especially newbie mafia, try something as original and time-consuming as written read lists like that? It doesn't happen. Mafia, especially newbie mafia, almost always go their own way.
mmm I did forget about the written reads list thing. I need to think more on the bolded. Like your points are very good but i just feel like time was running out for tumble so if scott is town like im thinking at the moment you were right in saying that he could have just afkd and not cared.
Who do you want to lynch trefel?
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trfel looking at the votes if scott is mafia you either think his partners are exactly tumble and ticktock OR that his partners did not care or had already resigned themselves to the fact that he would be lynched.
I come to this conclusion because GB shining and kush were all active around EOD and any of them could have voted palmar instead of their fringe votes.
Also the way i remember it the scott wagon came around fairly late and only had me and you (trfel) pushing it so i doubt scum were cutting their losses. So if you think scott is scum his partners are tumble and ticktock or his partners don't care about keeping him alive.
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actually my last post isnt that right i guess but if scott is infact mafia then at least one ofTT or tumble are probably mafia aswell just of VCA
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Shining isn't excited enough to be the vig. Someone just claimed his role he would be more up and about than he is.
Also you can't reaction check a vigi so he is scum
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TT its weird what you are doing
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Also when you are fully caught up, do you think GB's attempted play says anything about his alignment?
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holy shit i didnt even notice that SL wasn't the vig shot wtf
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On February 19 2016 12:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 12:35 Trfel wrote:
I read the last few pages.
I have actually no idea what is going on at all. If someone has something important, please yell at me to make sure I see it.
Anyway, we're saying that mafia decided to roleblock Shapelog and then kill sicklucker? Presumably because they thought sicklucker was blue? And The Shining is the vigilante and shot Eden?
Going with that for now, I guess, even if it makes no sense and I don't like it. it sounds retarded \o/ therefore we're looking for retarded scum! more seriously, though, shape's behavior around day start makes me want to call him town and dig my heels in, so the only other explanation is shining is scum ccing gb's fake claim thinking it's true, and that the real vig for some reason doesn't feel the need to cc himself...
no shining is definitely the real vigi here. I thought GB's claim was more believable at the time but wasnt aware of shinings situation.
Idk if GB claiming the shot on the wrong player is alignment indicative or not. The take a bullet play certainly isn't because we are 2 ML from losing but yeah.
Unless im wrong on my townreads on trefel or rsoul which im starting to get paranoid about the D1 votes really don't look that good for scott
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Yeah i was planning on pushing SL hard today because of the way he was backing out of his blue claim was scummy as fuck
Trefel have you finished your vote analysis. I stuggle to see how scott can be mafia and not be with either of TT or tumble and yes i know your scumreads don't have to all fit together right now and its about finding one at a time but yeah
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wouldn't you say well played to SL even if he was vig'd?
##Vote:Scott
I assume if he is town he is busy or some shit and ive been saying i felt how the lynch went down made him seem town but im just really underwhelmed right now
Also rsoul is giving me the heebie jeebies but i cant put my finger on why
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On February 19 2016 22:07 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 22:04 Breshke wrote:
wouldn't you say well played to SL even if he was vig'd?
##Vote:Scott
I assume if he is town he is busy or some shit and ive been saying i felt how the lynch went down made him seem town but im just really underwhelmed right now
Also rsoul is giving me the heebie jeebies but i cant put my finger on why No. The reason I said well played is I thought he drew the nk with his fake softclaim.
ahh i see
I feel like it is scummier that you pointed this out yourself than if someone had stumbled upon it because it doesnt really seem that scummy you just seem paranoid. But that read makes me feel really dumb.
What do you think about rsoul saying to lynch scott for information when we only get information if he flips scum and if he flips town we get legit nothing. (I know you weren't pushing the information aspect hard rsoul so remain calm)
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Lynch Scott he doesn't care
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Well done people
DId i miss anything important
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So I still think trefel and rsoul are town cos yeah.
Also from the little of what I read noon looks really townie
So lets just pretend my reads are really good and lynch Scott, tumble and TT in that order
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EPT
