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On December 29 2015 03:51 Damdred wrote: I sorta agree with art I can see town GB acting this dumb over nai things.
I hate this. It's always this "GB you're dumb", "GB your argument doesn't make sense", then the guy flips mafia.
You guys just don't want to lynch Holyflare because he is Holyflare.
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On December 29 2015 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...] GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So that would only make HF mafia if TicTock is scum right? Because otherwise he is refusing to vote for a townie -- which is not scummy. I am not going to check rn if your story stands up or not, because i don't think that makes HF mafia even if it does. I think you are exaggerrating the "reluctant to lynch" thing.
On December 29 2015 03:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:33 Vivax wrote: Time to play a bit with HF:
Im not actually JK Oh boy, here we go On December 29 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:32 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT? It's not actually based on association. If someone calls a case "good" and that "that player might be mafia", but refuses to go on it and starts throwing suspicions everywhere by twisting arguments and going against NAI things, it doesn't fit a town perspective. Why would a townie behave this way? Why would a mafia behave that way if TT is town? It would make it NAI. TT might be mafia, and he has a very good shot at being mafia. I don't know why would a mafia behave like that if TT is town. IF TT is town. I don't know if he is, so I can't say how a mafia would behave now. I can, however, work with the facts in the thread, and I don't see a townie behaving the way I described HF is. Let me get this straight if TT is town, you don't understand HF's behaviour as either alignment. if TT is mafia, you think it strongly implicates HF. Regardless, you believe the chance of TT being mafia is lower than that of HF being mafia. Am I correct? No Artanis, my logic is: if I see a behaviour that doesn't fits any town perspective, the said person is mafia. I didn't think of it more than this
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On December 29 2015 03:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:48 Holyflare wrote: And yes I still think my piece on Kush is good and it didn't get traction so I decided to back off a bit and observe some more to either confirm or deny my theory. I was hesitant to vote TickTock at that time because my ego is quite large and if Kush was TMI-ing on TT then it would be a redundant vote. People didn't like it so my ego wavered and Rayn posted his case and I agreed with it and remembered the TT catch up and so my mind decided to push my ego out of the way for a bit and sheep a good case.
Now that you have been destroyed, good day to you. You didn't destroy me, you've just twisted every single argument I've wrote so you can throw it against me. Fits your job pretty well Please, please, please break down my arguments and my reasoning and thought process and explain how I've twisted this. You laid out points on why I am mafia and I've explained them FULLY with all the reasoning and logic behind it and outlined my entire thought process. You can ignore the case on you I'm solely talking about your case on me.
If you think kush TMIng on TT would be a redundant vote you could've simply vote TT and keep pushing kush. If your ego is so big you should've vote kush and try to get people to lynch him.
You never did any, you just saw kush's lynch not getting traction and started throwing suspicions on me and Ness, then you saw the possibility of forming a wagon on me and started it.
IF you're voting me solely for ego, why weren't you voting kush before? Your story just not compute. You either have that big ass ego and go against kush full throttle and me full throttle, or you think TT might be mafia with kush and me and just vote TT because the vote is redundant.
In other words, if your ego is so big you should have similar behaviours against me and kush, yet they were different accordingly to the possibility of a wagon getting traction or not.
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On December 29 2015 03:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote: Also, Palmar, if you hadn't read anything and you didn't catch up, how do you know coag and rsoultin are masons? How can you not know the answer to this when the argument That followed was literally about the very source of my info
Sorry, I didn't see it
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I'm gonna cooldown and reevaluate this
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I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then.
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On December 29 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then. Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him?
Yes
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On December 29 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then. Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him? Yes So HF is scum, no matter what? Or does TT flipping town make you think HF is town? Regardless, you're going to vote TT to find out, which feels like really bad unflipped association to vote off of. =/
I have a scum read on Tictock for a long time. Lynching him might prove I'm right on Holyflare. If he flips town then it means I could be wrong. Still, I think I'm not wrong and both will flip mafia
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On December 29 2015 06:55 nooniansoong wrote: @gb can you address your unsound logic?
Sorry, I don't know what you're referring to
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On December 29 2015 07:01 nooniansoong wrote:@GB see this quote tree Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 06:26 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'm back
I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then. Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him? Yes That is bad logic. That logic actually means if TT is town, HF cannot be scum. Not that I agree with the premises.
It means my argument on him being Mafia is moot
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On December 29 2015 07:02 sicklucker wrote: Gb your willing to vote hf?
I'd rather have Tictock flipping to see if I am right
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On December 29 2015 07:19 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:17 sicklucker wrote:On December 29 2015 07:16 ritoky wrote: the fuck are you doing SL? trying to get the most likely mafia flip lynched you? tt is a good flip too which makes this a hard battle getting the guy i made a case on lynched and if not, then shennanying onto actual mafia, not town hf.
I have no idea why you think I'm Mafia, then, and how you can't at least be a little suspicious of HF for everything I have said
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On December 29 2015 07:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 07:19 ritoky wrote:On December 29 2015 07:17 sicklucker wrote:On December 29 2015 07:16 ritoky wrote: the fuck are you doing SL? trying to get the most likely mafia flip lynched you? tt is a good flip too which makes this a hard battle getting the guy i made a case on lynched and if not, then shennanying onto actual mafia, not town hf. I have no idea why you think I'm Mafia, then, and how you can't at least be a little suspicious of HF for everything I have said How on earth are you still going on about this, you posted your concerns about me being mafia which I have fully addressed and eliminated, what more is there to call me mafia for? You have my perfect thought process outlined right there for you in the thread. This is getting stale and just increases the likelihood of you being actually mafia.
HF I really don't see how you've deconstructed the arguments I wrote. But I can see that if Tictock is town, my argument is moot.
But I can't believe someone who scum reads Tictock isn't at least wary you could be scum.
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On December 29 2015 07:25 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 07:19 ritoky wrote:On December 29 2015 07:17 sicklucker wrote:On December 29 2015 07:16 ritoky wrote: the fuck are you doing SL? trying to get the most likely mafia flip lynched you? tt is a good flip too which makes this a hard battle getting the guy i made a case on lynched and if not, then shennanying onto actual mafia, not town hf. I have no idea why you think I'm Mafia, then, and how you can't at least be a little suspicious of HF for everything I have said because HF was white knighting then got all pissy and fought with you; which falls in line with my: when HF is town he can't help himself read. plus you just lynch his ass if he is alive like 3 days in and hasn't lynched a million mafia in a row.
Considering the amount of games holyflare won as Mafia, you know this argument doesn't hold water
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On December 29 2015 07:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:30 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 07:25 Holyflare wrote:On December 29 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 07:19 ritoky wrote:On December 29 2015 07:17 sicklucker wrote:On December 29 2015 07:16 ritoky wrote: the fuck are you doing SL? trying to get the most likely mafia flip lynched you? tt is a good flip too which makes this a hard battle getting the guy i made a case on lynched and if not, then shennanying onto actual mafia, not town hf. I have no idea why you think I'm Mafia, then, and how you can't at least be a little suspicious of HF for everything I have said How on earth are you still going on about this, you posted your concerns about me being mafia which I have fully addressed and eliminated, what more is there to call me mafia for? You have my perfect thought process outlined right there for you in the thread. This is getting stale and just increases the likelihood of you being actually mafia. HF I really don't see how you've deconstructed the arguments I wrote. But I can see that if Tictock is town, my argument is moot. But I can't believe someone who scum reads Tictock isn't at least wary you could be scum. Where can you not see? You think I've blindly been pushing people for no reason, I outline all the reasons I pushed those people which lines up nicely with a new revelation of information (Vivax revealing he is JK), it's a perfect thought process that eliminates your case entirely and I know that TT is gonna flip mafia and you're just setting it up to push me for it, you've been angling at this for hours.
HAHAHAHA so YOU know that Tictock IS going to flip Mafia but I am setting this up to prove my theory
ROFL
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On December 29 2015 07:34 Holyflare wrote: Ok GB I want a compendium of all your accusations on me this night phase and I'll squash them for you all over again, how is that?
Let's talk about the rest of the game, why are you ok with Ness disappearing and not saying a word about it?
HF, my only accusation is that you were throwing suspicions everywhere (if them followed a thought process it doesn't matter - your argument on kush followed a thought process, but its grounds are weak as hell) and did not proceed to go against Tictock (while agreeing he was scum and that the case on him is good) to pursue these suspicions. When kush wagon didn't get traction, you saw an opportunity when I came back and started pushing me.
Your argument for voting me was ego. But you said you are fairly sure kush is Mafia (and you say you still are) but not react the same way to vote him and keep calling him scum like you're doing with me. You either display the same behaviour regarding me and kush (in regards of your ego "I like to be right") or your ego excuse is bullshit.
I had another suspicion but I forgot what it was right now
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On December 29 2015 07:44 Palmar wrote: On phone don't think I'll be at a computer before deadline. Very willing to shennie onto gb or kush
Of course! Why not saving Tictock?
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On December 29 2015 07:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:47 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 07:34 Holyflare wrote: Ok GB I want a compendium of all your accusations on me this night phase and I'll squash them for you all over again, how is that?
Let's talk about the rest of the game, why are you ok with Ness disappearing and not saying a word about it? HF, my only accusation is that you were throwing suspicions everywhere (if them followed a thought process it doesn't matter - your argument on kush followed a thought process, but its grounds are weak as hell) and did not proceed to go against Tictock (while agreeing he was scum and that the case on him is good) to pursue these suspicions. When kush wagon didn't get traction, you saw an opportunity when I came back and started pushing me. Your argument for voting me was ego. But you said you are fairly sure kush is Mafia (and you say you still are) but not react the same way to vote him and keep calling him scum like you're doing with me. You either display the same behaviour regarding me and kush (in regards of your ego "I like to be right") or your ego excuse is bullshit. I had another suspicion but I forgot what it was right now I said do it at night and I also said I don't think Kush is mafia that much anymore since people didn't like my reason and I backed off and it got overtaken by TT case. Learn to read fool. None of this answers anything about the actual question on N E S S.
I still think ness is Mafia, I just think Tictock is a better lynch than him today because his flip will help me with my read on you
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TT, HF, Ness and Palmar
Makes so much sense
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