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On September 01 2015 21:36 rsoultin wrote:
Day 5 Votecount
ritoky (3): JudgeJudy, Fidei86, Tictock
Not Voting (4): geript, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, ritoky
On September 02 2015 07:02 Onegu wrote:
Day 5 Final Votecount
ritoky (5): JudgeJudy, Fidei86, Tictock, Tictock, ritoky
Tictock (3): ObiWanShinobi, geript, Damdred
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A few things to note: Ritoky's vote was moved. Additionally, Tictock got 2 votes. So Tictock likely steals votes from people he's RB'd. Basically, TT decided to swing the vote onto a confirmed person instead of an unconfirmed person. The point I was making to JJ that both people ignored was that even if ritoky is mafia he has zero endgame unless he has a partner. There is and was exceptionally little reason to lynch ritoky then. Later on it's possible, but mafia obviously needed to lynch a confirmed to prevent the PoE. So basically, lynch TT; if that doesn't end the game lynch JJ.
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Also, I'm not a 100%, but I'm pretty sure that ritoky was roleblocked on N2 because the one thing Chez was 100% adamant about was the fact that he got his check. That's something that's exceptionally stupid to lie about. So TT is 100% the vote stealer and roleblocker. Likely he got his upgrade which was the vote steal shit.
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100% use the vanilla-izer on TT. Period. Just in case.
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Oh and TT. I have a special surprise for you...
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Honestly, I think the last mafia is TT. If there's two, then it's probably JJ.
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On September 02 2015 12:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 12:12 geript wrote:
100% use the vanilla-izer on TT. Period. Just in case. It only takes place the night after. It won't stop whatever it is he can do tonight. Are we just using it to stop him from using day powers again or are we going to confirm people outside of him in case of extra mafia?
I don't think it would stop the NK. Even if it did stop the RB for one night, it kinda doesn't matter as odd as that is to say. I just doesn't see why matters. The only reason to target JJ is to maybe prevent his bombs from going off.
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On September 02 2015 13:35 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 12:10 geript wrote:On September 01 2015 21:36 rsoultin wrote:
Day 5 Votecount
ritoky (3): JudgeJudy, Fidei86, Tictock
Not Voting (4): geript, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, ritoky
On September 02 2015 07:02 Onegu wrote:
Day 5 Final Votecount
ritoky (5): JudgeJudy, Fidei86, Tictock, Tictock, ritoky
Tictock (3): ObiWanShinobi, geript, Damdred
A few things to note: Ritoky's vote was moved. Additionally, Tictock got 2 votes. So Tictock likely steals votes from people he's RB'd. Basically, TT decided to swing the vote onto a confirmed person instead of an unconfirmed person. The point I was making to JJ that both people ignored was that even if ritoky is mafia he has zero endgame unless he has a partner. There is and was exceptionally little reason to lynch ritoky then. Later on it's possible, but mafia obviously needed to lynch a confirmed to prevent the PoE. So basically, lynch TT; if that doesn't end the game lynch JJ. You weren't very vocal about that point on Rit yesturday, and the same can be said about me right? I have no endgame here as scum without a partner, but you dont think about that. I explained how my vote manipulation works, its not at all this load of crock. I also fail to see how Obi's power will confirm anyone going into next phase, so I don't get the discussion around that. [/b]
Regardless of whether or not you have a partner, you 100% use your power there as mafia. If you're town, you should've realized that.
For "being able to be around lynch" you sure didn't seem to care about any of the arguments "confirmed town geript" made. You don't get to fault me for you not paying attention to them. There's a reason why I said the lynch should 100% be between YOU and JJ at idk the start of the day. I didn't mind discussion on ritoky and it's my fault that people for assuming that people were smart enough to recognize the two obvious factors: 1 he and are were essentially confirmed already (a point I made a few times and damdred made a few times). 2. it's a poor strategic choice to lynch even if he is mafia. So yah, you done fucked up. Now you die. There's literally zero reason to discuss that.
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Thanks. but no thanks GTFO. My meta points were pretty solid. My points about how you've flexed to be willing to lynch anyone not you on the past phase are valid. My points about how you seem to get around to how you seem to completely ignore people while focusing on stupid shit while even not following the logical conclusions of those is valid. My point about you miraculously becoming a good player for 3 lynches when you were that for your past 3 town games was valid. Add the point that you were miraculously a better player for 3 lynches but forgo pretty obvious shit at a more critical point is valid.
Do not care. You are 1000% getting lynched. It is what it is. deal with it.
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What part of strategically he's a bad lynch today is underplayed? What part of being greenchecked makes him at worst 25% likely to flip town? Like seriously you will be lynched tomorrow if you don't die tonight. Literally going to happen. For the exact same reasons KSC had to die. How you used your role was exceptionally anti-town.
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Like even if you were listening to me, you should've lynched OWS who was your other scumread. But no. You rolled mafia and are doing exactly what mafia do. Attacking the periphery of my arguments while hoping the key points fall of deaf ears.
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1. Use it to kill non confirmed players. Ritoky was at worst 25% confirmed town and at best 99% confirmed town. That's 25-99% more than OWS (your top other scum read, JJ or fido.
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For example, take a look at the argument I proposed early on. JJ has a 6 page filter. You had a 10 page filter. Most everyone else was recently more than that. That by itself should be a strong reason to kill JJ over ritoky who I think was at 15-17
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On September 02 2015 17:45 Fidei86 wrote:
@geript
Doesn't town TT use the power 100% as well? If he knows he's town and he *thinks* the other wagon is mafia, it is always the right play to fix the votes. Hell, even if he doesn't think ritoky is mafia, it's still the correct play, mechanically, from a town perspective.
Since when am I faulting him for using his power?
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Did you even read what I posted?
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Let me be clear. I think it was a decent to great idea to nuke Damdred, idk like 2-3 days ago. It would've prevented wasted checks on him etc. But look, here's how it goes. It's really fucking stupid to from D1-D4 not want to lynch him and not want to nuke him only to get fucking ants in your pants at or around lylo. That's just fucking stupid. Like you made the decision to ignore him and instead nuke FF, lynch ritoky, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see damdred dead because I want to know his role/wincon 100%. But that time has passed. The decision overall was to fucking lynch other people and nuke/shoot other people for 4-5 days now. You don't get to change your mind now. PERIOD!!!!! That shit is dumb. You made a decision to keep him around with the express plan of allowing him to get to LYLO. You don't get to say that well, if he's not a survivor we lose in lylo so we should lynch him.
No fuck that. That's fucking stupid strategically. You either follow with your plan and read, etc of him being survivor or you lynch him days ago. Get the fuck out with that shit. You shitheads/mafia wanted to lynch ritoky A FUCKING GREENCHECK over him yesterday. I'm putting my foot down. No. I wasn't part of the "keep Damdred around" crowd, but I'm not going to let you fuck shit up even more. You're going to listen to me. You're going to lynch the fuck out of TicTock tomorrow. Period.
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On September 03 2015 03:11 JudgeJudy wrote:![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/3h5pe45FM9qUM/giphy.gif) Show nested quote +On September 03 2015 02:57 geript wrote:
You shitheads/mafia wanted to lynch ritoky A FUCKING GREENCHECK over him yesterday. I'm putting my foot down. No. I wasn't part of the "keep Damdred around" crowd, but I'm not going to let you fuck shit up even more. You're going to listen to me. You're going to lynch the fuck out of TicTock tomorrow. Period. You don't get to ride in on your high horse and order us around. We have all messed up at some point this game. You can share your opinion about who to lynch tomorrow, but I take offense to the name calling. I don't deserve that.
Yes I do. Fuck it I do. I might not have been the best at reading the game, but you made a push against ritoky that (as a smurf) you obviously should've recognized was bad. It was pointed out why it was bad multiple times and you ignored it. There's a reason why the mechanically right play to make is often the obvious play. There's a reason why you should be lynched after TT. My votes this game weren't good; but my votes this game weren't bad either. Those ritoky votes were bad; they were obviously bad. And for 2 people who seem to have been able to recognize the difference this game be so incompetent when it regards something so simple is mind blowing.
Had certain people not pushed a dumbass lynch, then we might have had auto. That kinda depends on how RB's interact with each other. In the least, we'd either have an extra lynch for Damdred or for 3/4ths unconfirmed. But no.
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On September 03 2015 09:09 JudgeJudy wrote:![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/11cnF1B7QXDmXC/giphy.gif) Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 12:13 geript wrote:
Oh and TT. I have a special surprise for you... Care to explain this one?
I was thinking about trying to fake claim a nuke or some kp. But it's not even believable. Especially after losing my mason.
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Having been in the situation where a townie is like 99% likely to get mislynched the following day a few times before and having playing opposite that position (whether as scum or town), what you generally see when people get in that situation is a burst of activity. A burst of here's what I think and why I think it and here's why you're wrong about me. Hell in my second game, I was in that position and did (poor) analysis on over half the players in a large game. I added like 2-3 pages to my filter easily. I was there in the game where HF bussed Suki D1, and I made the. Let's pretend I'm a treestump and have flipped green. Chezinu was like that in TSM, where he did what he could albeit not well. It happens more often than not.
So today, I didn't want to post that much or analyze and really sit back and see what TT did. He's made 8 posts. Most of which have little to no useful shit in them.
I want to draw attention to a few specific things:
On September 03 2015 17:39 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure if that's enough to convince me he's town though.
On September 03 2015 18:03 Tictock wrote:
Wish I had better reasons to townread Obi, then I could die happy today.
Is this the sentiment of a townie who's about to get mislynched? "Oh I'm not sure about this" or "I wish I had better reasons for that." Fuck no. If he's town, and he 100% knows he's about to get mislynched, then he 100% knows that his opinions are going to matter. In the least, they'd matter to me. People will at least consider the points he's making, the things he's figured out for himself. Basically, his opinion becomes relevant. Instead, what we've seen from TT is a token show of effort. I've never seen that from town. You'll see either complete fuck off and giving up OR you'll see super try hard. This guy has repeatedly misrepresented why I've scumread him. He's completely misrepresented why he's obviously mafia for how he used his power; note it is not "because he used his power" I don't give a fuck about that. He's shown smart "pick ups" throughout the game yet now is completely thrown for a loop??? There's literally no way he flips town.
Basically, I'm just here to remind everyone to fucking lynch him and get the shit over with.
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On September 04 2015 23:51 Tictock wrote:
Geript's reads are pure shit teir and he's not bothering to reconsider anything, but role-blah-blah-greencheck-blah-RB
On September 04 2015 13:10 geript wrote:
So today, I didn't want to post that much or analyze and really sit back and see what TT did. He's made 8 posts. Most of which have little to no useful shit in them.
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