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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 16 2015 20:16 GMT
#7521
On July 17 2015 05:14 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 04:44 ruXxar wrote:
Here's something I need to say:
When town decides to just train onto someone it means that either they're lynching a townie or someone is bussing real hard.

Just look at the votes right now.

HF is at 9 votes. If he was mafia and his mafia partners are bussing him, they could easily switch off to another target to guarantee a no-lynch.
Since everyone seems dead-set on lynching HF, it pretty much points to this being 1 of 2 options:

Option 1)

HF is mafia together with 2 of these people:

EBH
Boxerfred
Breshke

Option 2)

HF is town and mafia + town are voting on him.

I have a townlean on boxerfred and slight townlean on EBH.
I know I'm town, so the likelyhood of there being mafia in the vote on HF right now is really high.

I need you guys to think about this, and think real hard.

- If HF flips scum, then it's almost guaranteed that the mafia are among the people not voting on him.
- If HF flips town, then it's almost guaranteed that the mafia are voting on him right now.

I don't see a world where mafia bus HF here.
If HF flips scum you'll find the mafia among these people:

EBH
BF
Breshke

If he flips town, then mafia are voting on him right now.

I second that. Strongly. Want to add that it is still possible that people who did not vote yet are among the scum team no matter how he flips. So it's a) voters of HF + people who did not vote until now or b) yeah, ebh me or breshke. I know that I'm town so EBH + Breshke. The irony is though that we can only safely lynch among us 3 if HF flips scum. Which means we can't today. Or not?


Look bf, you just play the game wrong. Why is it not possible for 2 scum to be on HF and 1 scum to not be voting, or 3 on HF and 0 not voting him.

The only thing that's fair to say is that if HF is town, at least 1 vote on him is scum as I highly doubt all scum would sit around and suck their thumbs.

These conclusions that you are drawing are ABSURD.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 16 2015 20:17 GMT
#7522
On July 17 2015 05:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 05:14 boxerfred wrote:
On July 17 2015 04:44 ruXxar wrote:
Here's something I need to say:
When town decides to just train onto someone it means that either they're lynching a townie or someone is bussing real hard.

Just look at the votes right now.

HF is at 9 votes. If he was mafia and his mafia partners are bussing him, they could easily switch off to another target to guarantee a no-lynch.
Since everyone seems dead-set on lynching HF, it pretty much points to this being 1 of 2 options:

Option 1)

HF is mafia together with 2 of these people:

EBH
Boxerfred
Breshke

Option 2)

HF is town and mafia + town are voting on him.

I have a townlean on boxerfred and slight townlean on EBH.
I know I'm town, so the likelyhood of there being mafia in the vote on HF right now is really high.

I need you guys to think about this, and think real hard.

- If HF flips scum, then it's almost guaranteed that the mafia are among the people not voting on him.
- If HF flips town, then it's almost guaranteed that the mafia are voting on him right now.

I don't see a world where mafia bus HF here.
If HF flips scum you'll find the mafia among these people:

EBH
BF
Breshke

If he flips town, then mafia are voting on him right now.

I second that. Strongly. Want to add that it is still possible that people who did not vote yet are among the scum team no matter how he flips. So it's a) voters of HF + people who did not vote until now or b) yeah, ebh me or breshke. I know that I'm town so EBH + Breshke. The irony is though that we can only safely lynch among us 3 if HF flips scum. Which means we can't today. Or not?


Look bf, you just play the game wrong. Why is it not possible for 2 scum to be on HF and 1 scum to not be voting, or 3 on HF and 0 not voting him.

The only thing that's fair to say is that if HF is town, at least 1 vote on him is scum as I highly doubt all scum would sit around and suck their thumbs.

These conclusions that you are drawing are ABSURD.

I don't get it. I'm saying: "look, there are possibly scum members among the people who hadn't vote yet". You're saying "hy is it not possible for 2 scum to be on HF and 1 scum to not be voting" yet what I'm saying is ABSURD?

You're weird and I will stop listening to you for a time.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 16 2015 20:19 GMT
#7523
I have a conclusion that isnt absurd, breshke sat on his ass this cycle and afk parked his vote on ruxxar while holyflare has been getting lynched this whole time.

This is why I said HF needed to get vig'd btw, knew this would happen. cant tell town from scum because they are just blending into this HF thing.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2015 20:19 GMT
#7524
On July 17 2015 05:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 05:10 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:05 Holyflare wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:01 Vivax wrote:
On July 09 2015 14:15 Breshke wrote:
That's a really sick post clarity.

Especially like why the fuck did he try a fake check when ritoky claimed RB and he doesn't think there can be two mafia rb's.

I almost want to lynch milo first now but damdred would be the mafia RB'r so yeah


On July 09 2015 14:36 Breshke wrote:
Actually no we don't gain anything from taking the risk and lynching damdred today. Fairly sure either way geript and ritoky get no more checks this game.

##Vote Milo



Yeah let's do Breshke, cmon people !

##Unvote
##Vote Breshke


On July 16 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:
I also NEVER said lynching damdred over milo would be bad i said it didnt matter at the time WHO we lynched because i was under the assumption there was 1 RB and they were BOTH mafia. In wich case the two claimed investigative roles who had claimed a the time that i believed were never getting a cheack off no matter who we lynched.



didn't hate his explanation


You should, because if they're both scum there is 0 reason to not kill the RB first, unless you're scum.

I'm more confident on ruxxar than I am on breshke though, but you seem committed to want to die so just die and then whine postgame about how LS sucked despite you ruining an entire day. Or be scum, whatever.


Humor me, if I'm scum then who's mafia with me?


I don't know dude. That comes after.


Really? You haven't even thought about whether or not it makes sense that I'm mafia together with someone?
You know you have to piece together teams that actually makes sense right?
Good luck when you get to lylo and there's 3 mafia alive and you all start scum reading each other.
That's how I lost my newbie game because us townies were too dumb to piece together who could or couldn't be mafia together and just looked at the scummiest player who happened to be a townie playing scummy.

So yeah, have fun with that.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 16 2015 20:20 GMT
#7525
On July 17 2015 05:17 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 05:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:14 boxerfred wrote:
On July 17 2015 04:44 ruXxar wrote:
Here's something I need to say:
When town decides to just train onto someone it means that either they're lynching a townie or someone is bussing real hard.

Just look at the votes right now.

HF is at 9 votes. If he was mafia and his mafia partners are bussing him, they could easily switch off to another target to guarantee a no-lynch.
Since everyone seems dead-set on lynching HF, it pretty much points to this being 1 of 2 options:

Option 1)

HF is mafia together with 2 of these people:

EBH
Boxerfred
Breshke

Option 2)

HF is town and mafia + town are voting on him.

I have a townlean on boxerfred and slight townlean on EBH.
I know I'm town, so the likelyhood of there being mafia in the vote on HF right now is really high.

I need you guys to think about this, and think real hard.

- If HF flips scum, then it's almost guaranteed that the mafia are among the people not voting on him.
- If HF flips town, then it's almost guaranteed that the mafia are voting on him right now.

I don't see a world where mafia bus HF here.
If HF flips scum you'll find the mafia among these people:

EBH
BF
Breshke

If he flips town, then mafia are voting on him right now.

I second that. Strongly. Want to add that it is still possible that people who did not vote yet are among the scum team no matter how he flips. So it's a) voters of HF + people who did not vote until now or b) yeah, ebh me or breshke. I know that I'm town so EBH + Breshke. The irony is though that we can only safely lynch among us 3 if HF flips scum. Which means we can't today. Or not?


Look bf, you just play the game wrong. Why is it not possible for 2 scum to be on HF and 1 scum to not be voting, or 3 on HF and 0 not voting him.

The only thing that's fair to say is that if HF is town, at least 1 vote on him is scum as I highly doubt all scum would sit around and suck their thumbs.

These conclusions that you are drawing are ABSURD.

I don't get it. I'm saying: "look, there are possibly scum members among the people who hadn't vote yet". You're saying "hy is it not possible for 2 scum to be on HF and 1 scum to not be voting" yet what I'm saying is ABSURD?

You're weird and I will stop listening to you for a time.


It's ridiculous analysis that doesn't go anywhere and just takes up space.

Our options are:
HF is town:
- 1 scum on HF
- 2 scum on HF
- 3 scum on HF

HF is scum:
- 0 scum on HF
- 1 scum on HF
- 2 scum on HF


SUCH ANALYSIS WOW, LET'S EXTRAPOLATE.

There could be scum in the non-voters? WOW HOW INTERESTING.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 16 2015 20:20 GMT
#7526
That is also absolutely true.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 16 2015 20:20 GMT
#7527
Above @ VA.
lol @ clarity.

Maybe we lynch Breshke here tbh.
Retired.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 16 2015 20:20 GMT
#7528
On July 17 2015 05:19 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 05:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:10 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:05 Holyflare wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:01 Vivax wrote:
On July 09 2015 14:15 Breshke wrote:
That's a really sick post clarity.

Especially like why the fuck did he try a fake check when ritoky claimed RB and he doesn't think there can be two mafia rb's.

I almost want to lynch milo first now but damdred would be the mafia RB'r so yeah


On July 09 2015 14:36 Breshke wrote:
Actually no we don't gain anything from taking the risk and lynching damdred today. Fairly sure either way geript and ritoky get no more checks this game.

##Vote Milo



Yeah let's do Breshke, cmon people !

##Unvote
##Vote Breshke


On July 16 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:
I also NEVER said lynching damdred over milo would be bad i said it didnt matter at the time WHO we lynched because i was under the assumption there was 1 RB and they were BOTH mafia. In wich case the two claimed investigative roles who had claimed a the time that i believed were never getting a cheack off no matter who we lynched.



didn't hate his explanation


You should, because if they're both scum there is 0 reason to not kill the RB first, unless you're scum.

I'm more confident on ruxxar than I am on breshke though, but you seem committed to want to die so just die and then whine postgame about how LS sucked despite you ruining an entire day. Or be scum, whatever.


Humor me, if I'm scum then who's mafia with me?


I don't know dude. That comes after.


Really? You haven't even thought about whether or not it makes sense that I'm mafia together with someone?
You know you have to piece together teams that actually makes sense right?
Good luck when you get to lylo and there's 3 mafia alive and you all start scum reading each other.
That's how I lost my newbie game because us townies were too dumb to piece together who could or couldn't be mafia together and just looked at the scummiest player who happened to be a townie playing scummy.

So yeah, have fun with that.


Theres 14 people in the game, bro.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2015 20:31 GMT
#7529
Why do you want to lynch ruxxar clarity?
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2015 20:36 GMT
#7530
On July 17 2015 05:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 05:19 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:10 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:05 Holyflare wrote:
On July 17 2015 05:01 Vivax wrote:
On July 09 2015 14:15 Breshke wrote:
That's a really sick post clarity.

Especially like why the fuck did he try a fake check when ritoky claimed RB and he doesn't think there can be two mafia rb's.

I almost want to lynch milo first now but damdred would be the mafia RB'r so yeah


On July 09 2015 14:36 Breshke wrote:
Actually no we don't gain anything from taking the risk and lynching damdred today. Fairly sure either way geript and ritoky get no more checks this game.

##Vote Milo



Yeah let's do Breshke, cmon people !

##Unvote
##Vote Breshke


On July 16 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:
I also NEVER said lynching damdred over milo would be bad i said it didnt matter at the time WHO we lynched because i was under the assumption there was 1 RB and they were BOTH mafia. In wich case the two claimed investigative roles who had claimed a the time that i believed were never getting a cheack off no matter who we lynched.



didn't hate his explanation


You should, because if they're both scum there is 0 reason to not kill the RB first, unless you're scum.

I'm more confident on ruxxar than I am on breshke though, but you seem committed to want to die so just die and then whine postgame about how LS sucked despite you ruining an entire day. Or be scum, whatever.


Humor me, if I'm scum then who's mafia with me?


I don't know dude. That comes after.


Really? You haven't even thought about whether or not it makes sense that I'm mafia together with someone?
You know you have to piece together teams that actually makes sense right?
Good luck when you get to lylo and there's 3 mafia alive and you all start scum reading each other.
That's how I lost my newbie game because us townies were too dumb to piece together who could or couldn't be mafia together and just looked at the scummiest player who happened to be a townie playing scummy.

So yeah, have fun with that.


Theres 14 people in the game, bro.


We're not that far from LYLO.
Just focusing on the scummiest player isn't going to win you the game in the long run.
You need to widen your perspective and see how the game fits together as a whole.
You need to see how the puzzle fits together.

Did you look into the scum that flipped and how they associated with each other?
Did you look at the post I made about people heavily arguing with each other that likely aren't scum together?

Assume we mis-lynch today.
Then we have 2 mis-lynches left before LYLO.
As time goes on we can't afford to simply lynch the scummiest player anymore.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2015 20:40 GMT
#7531
nah don't wanna lynch breshke or ruxxar, you gotta kill me now and then kill rsoultin
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2015 20:41 GMT
#7532
On July 17 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=308#6143

People should read this post from aperture where i tried to solve the game and town side hardcore and hts posted all the same things she posted here (read her filter in aperture) so knows absolutely nothing she says makes me mafia at all. It's literally the same phrasing too "opportunistic" bla bla. Don't count her out from being mafia at all.


clarity what do you think of this post from a different game and does it look similar to the reason hts is voting me today?


also is absolutely nobody going to comment on this?
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 16 2015 20:45 GMT
#7533
if you flip town its even more likely we lynch breshke so you might as well
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2015 20:47 GMT
#7534
i don't want you to lynch breshke so no, why do people want to lynch him? he's been nothing but reasonable this cycle/all game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2015 20:52 GMT
#7535
like i did a super speedy check of his mafia games and they are much different
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 16 2015 20:52 GMT
#7536
because shenanigans,its funny to change the lynch last second and then read the obs qt
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2015 20:54 GMT
#7537
On July 16 2015 13:41 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
yea if anyone is still townreading obi after he's scumreading himself then I suggest this be your last game of mafia

On July 17 2015 05:04 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I'm more sure breshke is mafia then obi so obv i will switch to this but need to see HF's answer


what changed here btw? why did obi read just drop completely?
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 16 2015 20:55 GMT
#7538
On July 17 2015 05:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 13:41 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
yea if anyone is still townreading obi after he's scumreading himself then I suggest this be your last game of mafia

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 05:04 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I'm more sure breshke is mafia then obi so obv i will switch to this but need to see HF's answer


what changed here btw? why did obi read just drop completely?


there is posts between those two posts that definitely shows where i get pissed at breshke
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 20:57:31
July 16 2015 20:57 GMT
#7539
Night post will be about 15 minutes late today. Once deadline comes in an hour, no posting until night post.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
July 16 2015 20:58 GMT
#7540
HF has a point, but not cause of what he said:

On July 06 2015 13:08 Breshke wrote:
I also kind of townread KSC for whatever he is trying to say about damdred. I think damdred is super town and his bigish post about LS makes me really want to lynch LS but i feel KSC wouldnt be sending himself in a loop without really having a point if he was scum.



I really have a hard time seeing a mafia be so cocky in townreading his teammates.
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