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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 14:01 GMT
#5321
yes Harkon is right.

ruxaorara's points on milo were a bit better though. it's all kinda weird.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 11 2015 14:02 GMT
#5322
On July 11 2015 23:00 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:52 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb


He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world.


so you basically think milo is town or you're living an a 2 RB world separate of his alignment?


Separate of his alignment.


They're intertwined. We know that damdred roleblocked ritoky. We know that milo claimed roleblocked. Both happened night 1.


This means that if there is a second roleblocker, milo is 100% town.


you're missing that he still could have fake-claimed and then fake-claimed a roleblock lol >< even if there were another rb, cause not everyone is notified?

i don't find it the moooost likely scenario with 2 mafia rb's just because of how he hard-aligned with damdred, though, which is why i thought it strange hts would think there could be 2 but didn't take it into account with her milo read



Nah cause why would scum!milo fakeclaim being roleblocked when he knows that they roleblocked ritoky and X. If X is a powerrole he gets counterclaimed and lynched.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 14:03 GMT
#5323
On July 11 2015 23:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 23:00 rsoultin wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:52 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb


He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world.


so you basically think milo is town or you're living an a 2 RB world separate of his alignment?


Separate of his alignment.


They're intertwined. We know that damdred roleblocked ritoky. We know that milo claimed roleblocked. Both happened night 1.


This means that if there is a second roleblocker, milo is 100% town.


you're missing that he still could have fake-claimed and then fake-claimed a roleblock lol >< even if there were another rb, cause not everyone is notified?

i don't find it the moooost likely scenario with 2 mafia rb's just because of how he hard-aligned with damdred, though, which is why i thought it strange hts would think there could be 2 but didn't take it into account with her milo read



Nah cause why would scum!milo fakeclaim being roleblocked when he knows that they roleblocked ritoky and X. If X is a powerrole he gets counterclaimed and lynched.


he claimed cop xP

rit had already claimed roleblock. and he started out with a fake red check so -shrugs-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 11 2015 14:03 GMT
#5324
If milo is scum and they had two roleblockers then milo would have faked a check instead, is what I'm saying.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 11 2015 14:03 GMT
#5325
On July 11 2015 22:59 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:55 ruXxar wrote:
On July 11 2015 15:34 geript wrote:
On July 11 2015 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh, there really isnt any value for mafia to claim vet there.
They have no idea if there is a vet in the game, and vet is literally the easiest thing is the world to cc. There is no risk for the vet that he gets shot and loses his role.



OK this is pretty much bullshit. Let me be clear. I'm kinda meh about Harkon. The claim is completely irrelevant. There's a great set of reasons to claim vet there. Yes, it helps sink Damdred, but that ship is essentially already done and gone. So you're sacrificing a piece that you've already lost in order to gain town cred. Nothing against Harkon, but if he doesn't die then he becomes pretty sketchy and would 100% lynch him at lylo.

Also, vet is actually a really hard role to cc. Yes, 2 vets would be odd. But it's not in any way close to confirmed. It's unlikely Harkon is mafia. But if he is, then the vet claim is a great play because it's non-confirmable and actually hard to counter. Hell even a PGO or something would have a hard time claiming against him.


I was actually mulling over this.
It's actually a pretty good play by mafia to claim vet. If the claim goes un-CC'ed then he's pretty much gained town-cred until LYLO.

It's not an impossible world, but i dont have harkon pinned as particularly scummy at this point.
For now there's other people i'd want to lynch before considering this possibility.

No, it is not actually a good play as mafia. There is NOTHING to gain from it besides making sure damdred dies and if I survive multiple nights people will get mad suspicious of me. Absolutely no reason to do it. Everyone was townreading me anyways I do not need towncred if I am mafia. It actually hurts instead of helping.


Mm. I see what you're saying.
I think quality of that play depends on how good your town status is.
The more scumread you are the better the play, I'd say.
From the position you were in, I can agree it's probably not such a good play.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 14:04 GMT
#5326
like obviously if you claim cop you have to either have a check or claim being roleblocked. no other options. and he didn't claim being roleblocked right away?

like i said though, hard-aligning with damdred doesn't make that terribly likely anyway
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 14:04 GMT
#5327
Generally a scumplay which relies on trying to convince the thread there are 2 mafia roleblockers, which is practically unprecedented, is very strange.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 11 2015 14:05 GMT
#5328
On July 11 2015 23:04 marvellosity wrote:
Generally a scumplay which relies on trying to convince the thread there are 2 mafia roleblockers, which is practically unprecedented, is very strange.


Yeah this is true and a decent point for milo >.<
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 14:06 GMT
#5329
and yet a setup decision by BH which gives town 3 (!) checks n1 is also very strange to me.

in short, everything is strange.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 11 2015 14:06 GMT
#5330
On July 11 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote:
yes Harkon is right.

ruxaorara's points on milo were a bit better though. it's all kinda weird.


I swear if I get a gun, I'm going to shoot you 100%.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 11 2015 14:06 GMT
#5331
On July 11 2015 23:04 marvellosity wrote:
Generally a scumplay which relies on trying to convince the thread there are 2 mafia roleblockers, which is practically unprecedented, is very strange.

Exactly.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 14:06 GMT
#5332
On July 11 2015 23:04 marvellosity wrote:
Generally a scumplay which relies on trying to convince the thread there are 2 mafia roleblockers, which is practically unprecedented, is very strange.


yeah lol >< i doubt that was the initial intention if milo's scum...like geript's track on damdy obviously wasn't planned for
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 11 2015 14:07 GMT
#5333
On July 11 2015 23:06 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote:
yes Harkon is right.

ruxaorara's points on milo were a bit better though. it's all kinda weird.


I swear if I get a gun, I'm going to shoot you 100%.

Don't be mad at him, ruxor.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 11 2015 14:09 GMT
#5334
On July 11 2015 22:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:52 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb


He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world.


so you basically think milo is town or you're living an a 2 RB world separate of his alignment?


Separate of his alignment.


They're intertwined. We know that damdred roleblocked ritoky. We know that milo claimed roleblocked. Both happened night 1.


This means that if there is a second roleblocker, milo is 100% town.


I see what you're saying.

But given how he played d1 (I didn't believe either claim then) and that RBs are minimal for other roles and the subsequent play cited we also cannot eliminate the possibility that

1 if he's mafia HE is second RBer
2 he may have RBed someone who wasn't notified or could have stacked on marv.

I realise these are two remote possibilities mechanically. But given his gameplay that's why I am taking everything into account.

If I'm just entire wrong on the mechanics then I need to be slapped to get out of the tunnel but his gameplay ignoring the claims has been bothering me all game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 11 2015 14:10 GMT
#5335
On July 11 2015 23:07 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 23:06 ruXxar wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote:
yes Harkon is right.

ruxaorara's points on milo were a bit better though. it's all kinda weird.


I swear if I get a gun, I'm going to shoot you 100%.

Don't be mad at him, ruxor.


Like, it's not hard to get my name right.
Either you type ruxxar or you can type ruxx.

You know that a persons name is their most precious belonging? q.q

/endrant
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 14:11 GMT
#5336
On July 11 2015 23:10 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 23:07 Harkon wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:06 ruXxar wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote:
yes Harkon is right.

ruxaorara's points on milo were a bit better though. it's all kinda weird.


I swear if I get a gun, I'm going to shoot you 100%.

Don't be mad at him, ruxor.


Like, it's not hard to get my name right.
Either you type ruxxar or you can type ruxx.

You know that a persons name is their most precious belonging? q.q

/endrant

you do realise it's this reaction that makes me keep doing it, yes?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 14:11 GMT
#5337
On July 11 2015 23:10 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 23:07 Harkon wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:06 ruXxar wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote:
yes Harkon is right.

ruxaorara's points on milo were a bit better though. it's all kinda weird.


I swear if I get a gun, I'm going to shoot you 100%.

Don't be mad at him, ruxor.


Like, it's not hard to get my name right.
Either you type ruxxar or you can type ruxx.

You know that a persons name is their most precious belonging? q.q

/endrant


lol >< marv just can't help himself xP though i guess you haven't played with him before, have you?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 11 2015 14:12 GMT
#5338
On July 11 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 23:10 ruXxar wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:07 Harkon wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:06 ruXxar wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote:
yes Harkon is right.

ruxaorara's points on milo were a bit better though. it's all kinda weird.


I swear if I get a gun, I'm going to shoot you 100%.

Don't be mad at him, ruxor.


Like, it's not hard to get my name right.
Either you type ruxxar or you can type ruxx.

You know that a persons name is their most precious belonging? q.q

/endrant

you do realise it's this reaction that makes me keep doing it, yes?


Oh right, I forgot you were 12 -_-.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 11 2015 14:13 GMT
#5339
On July 11 2015 23:10 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 23:07 Harkon wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:06 ruXxar wrote:
On July 11 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote:
yes Harkon is right.

ruxaorara's points on milo were a bit better though. it's all kinda weird.


I swear if I get a gun, I'm going to shoot you 100%.

Don't be mad at him, ruxor.


Like, it's not hard to get my name right.
Either you type ruxxar or you can type ruxx.

You know that a persons name is their most precious belonging? q.q

/endrant

It's ok ruxy.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 14:13 GMT
#5340
at least he doesn't call you cow? -beats marv with a wet noodle-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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