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Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 11 2015 13:52 GMT
#5301
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb

If milo is cop he is a horrific shot, if he isn't we lynch him anyways.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 13:52 GMT
#5302
On July 11 2015 22:52 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb

If milo is cop he is a horrific shot, if he isn't we lynch him anyways.


beat you xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 11 2015 13:52 GMT
#5303
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb


He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 11 2015 13:52 GMT
#5304
On July 11 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb


eh it's kind of a longshot but it's the better play to leave him alone just in case his claim is true and he can get off a check...even if we then lynch him, we can at least know the check is real?


Yeah that makes sense. Scum have two roleblock targets (or three if they wanna find whoever has a gun). I'm looking forward to the flips.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 13:53 GMT
#5305
On July 11 2015 22:52 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb


He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world.


so you basically think milo is town or you're living an a 2 RB world separate of his alignment?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 11 2015 13:54 GMT
#5306
On July 11 2015 22:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:28 Half the Sky wrote:
Vivax - scum lean
EBH - still null
BF - town lean - not memorable but struggles in scum hunting align with previous games.
Oats is a sparse poster I want to say town lean because he is clashing with everyone, in down under 2 he seemed to want to fly under the radar. (Not even considering carol since he really did jack all that game) I know he's not a big case poster but that's the overall impression I get from his posts. He's putting himself out there.

Scott is the other one I need to reread. And KSC I still need to recheck.

lol 16 page filter "sparse poster". This game man.


That was probably a bad choice of words on my end. I'm referring to the fact you don't have a lot of content in your posts.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 11 2015 13:54 GMT
#5307
On July 11 2015 22:52 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb


He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world.


This is silly. If we're in a 2 RB world then milo is town
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 13:55 GMT
#5308
On July 11 2015 22:54 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:28 Half the Sky wrote:
Vivax - scum lean
EBH - still null
BF - town lean - not memorable but struggles in scum hunting align with previous games.
Oats is a sparse poster I want to say town lean because he is clashing with everyone, in down under 2 he seemed to want to fly under the radar. (Not even considering carol since he really did jack all that game) I know he's not a big case poster but that's the overall impression I get from his posts. He's putting himself out there.

Scott is the other one I need to reread. And KSC I still need to recheck.

lol 16 page filter "sparse poster". This game man.


That was probably a bad choice of words on my end. I'm referring to the fact you don't have a lot of content in your posts.


i like oats :/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 11 2015 13:55 GMT
#5309
On July 11 2015 15:34 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh, there really isnt any value for mafia to claim vet there.
They have no idea if there is a vet in the game, and vet is literally the easiest thing is the world to cc. There is no risk for the vet that he gets shot and loses his role.



OK this is pretty much bullshit. Let me be clear. I'm kinda meh about Harkon. The claim is completely irrelevant. There's a great set of reasons to claim vet there. Yes, it helps sink Damdred, but that ship is essentially already done and gone. So you're sacrificing a piece that you've already lost in order to gain town cred. Nothing against Harkon, but if he doesn't die then he becomes pretty sketchy and would 100% lynch him at lylo.

Also, vet is actually a really hard role to cc. Yes, 2 vets would be odd. But it's not in any way close to confirmed. It's unlikely Harkon is mafia. But if he is, then the vet claim is a great play because it's non-confirmable and actually hard to counter. Hell even a PGO or something would have a hard time claiming against him.


I was actually mulling over this.
It's actually a pretty good play by mafia to claim vet. If the claim goes un-CC'ed then he's pretty much gained town-cred until LYLO.

It's not an impossible world, but i dont have harkon pinned as particularly scummy at this point.
For now there's other people i'd want to lynch before considering this possibility.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 13:55 GMT
#5310
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb

he could actually be cop and he could actually get a check?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 11 2015 13:56 GMT
#5311
On July 11 2015 22:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb

he could actually be cop and he could actually get a check?


I SAID I MIGHT BE DUMB, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THE FOURTH PERSON TO POINT OUT WHY :'(
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 13:56 GMT
#5312
oh yeah everyone said it.

whatevs.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 11 2015 13:56 GMT
#5313
On July 11 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:52 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb


He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world.


so you basically think milo is town or you're living an a 2 RB world separate of his alignment?


Separate of his alignment.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 13:57 GMT
#5314
did i actually miss anything in all the pages i haven't read?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 13:57 GMT
#5315
blah, like seriously, does anyone really need to be told that good town players who have confirmed themselves town by claiming roles, if they're still alive late game, are probably fake-claiming? that's such obvious shit i don't know why people keep bringing it up ><

unless you just generally think people are too retarded to figure that out for themselves when the time comes
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 11 2015 13:57 GMT
#5316
On July 11 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:52 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb


He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world.


so you basically think milo is town or you're living an a 2 RB world separate of his alignment?


Separate of his alignment.


They're intertwined. We know that damdred roleblocked ritoky. We know that milo claimed roleblocked. Both happened night 1.


This means that if there is a second roleblocker, milo is 100% town.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 13:58 GMT
#5317
On July 11 2015 22:57 marvellosity wrote:
did i actually miss anything in all the pages i haven't read?


depends on which pages you haven't read? xP though probably not

sleepy thread
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 11 2015 13:58 GMT
#5318
anything that's happened this phase really, other than the brief moment i was in the thread off my face last night
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 11 2015 13:59 GMT
#5319
On July 11 2015 22:55 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 15:34 geript wrote:
On July 11 2015 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh, there really isnt any value for mafia to claim vet there.
They have no idea if there is a vet in the game, and vet is literally the easiest thing is the world to cc. There is no risk for the vet that he gets shot and loses his role.



OK this is pretty much bullshit. Let me be clear. I'm kinda meh about Harkon. The claim is completely irrelevant. There's a great set of reasons to claim vet there. Yes, it helps sink Damdred, but that ship is essentially already done and gone. So you're sacrificing a piece that you've already lost in order to gain town cred. Nothing against Harkon, but if he doesn't die then he becomes pretty sketchy and would 100% lynch him at lylo.

Also, vet is actually a really hard role to cc. Yes, 2 vets would be odd. But it's not in any way close to confirmed. It's unlikely Harkon is mafia. But if he is, then the vet claim is a great play because it's non-confirmable and actually hard to counter. Hell even a PGO or something would have a hard time claiming against him.


I was actually mulling over this.
It's actually a pretty good play by mafia to claim vet. If the claim goes un-CC'ed then he's pretty much gained town-cred until LYLO.

It's not an impossible world, but i dont have harkon pinned as particularly scummy at this point.
For now there's other people i'd want to lynch before considering this possibility.

No, it is not actually a good play as mafia. There is NOTHING to gain from it besides making sure damdred dies and if I survive multiple nights people will get mad suspicious of me. Absolutely no reason to do it. Everyone was townreading me anyways I do not need towncred if I am mafia. It actually hurts instead of helping.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 11 2015 14:00 GMT
#5320
On July 11 2015 22:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:52 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?

It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb


He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world.


so you basically think milo is town or you're living an a 2 RB world separate of his alignment?


Separate of his alignment.


They're intertwined. We know that damdred roleblocked ritoky. We know that milo claimed roleblocked. Both happened night 1.


This means that if there is a second roleblocker, milo is 100% town.


you're missing that he still could have fake-claimed and then fake-claimed a roleblock lol >< even if there were another rb, cause not everyone is notified?

i don't find it the moooost likely scenario with 2 mafia rb's just because of how he hard-aligned with damdred, though, which is why i thought it strange hts would think there could be 2 but didn't take it into account with her milo read
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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