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On July 09 2015 03:42 ComaDose wrote:
so 8 left? we assume 2 mafia left? (jinxfacenotaslip) even if we lynch wrong tonight its 4-2 for town? why would we nolynch?
Theoretically it reduces the next day to 3-2, and the chance of hitting mafia is bigger. Practically in the games I played and watched so far, there is no no-lynch. A person brings it up, people hmm hmm about it for a while, but it never gets done. Usually the person suggesting it is scumread for not trying to find scum and stall the game needlessly or bring up this discussion to distract from the actual scum hunt.
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oh I read it as" if we mislynch today we end up in 4-2. Why would we no lynch (then)?"
the same argument applies though, a 5-2 is a better chance than 6-2, but a 3-2 to 4-2 is obviously better than 5-2 to 6-2. The thing is if you no-lynch today you will most likely have 5-2 and then 3-2 if you no-lynch the 6-2 day and mislynch the 5-2 day. It is theoretically better than a day of 6-2 and 4-2 or even a day of 6-2 and 3-2 (if you no lynch the 4-2 day)
In summary, theoretically: 5-2 and 3-2 > 6-2 and 3-2 > 6-2 and 4-2
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No BM you are scum, GB has scumread you from the beginning knowing this day would come when he dies and can wifom you to innocence just in case.
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hmm I just scumread GB, but I'm not voting him, what could that mean? Ah I know. It's because I also read ComaDose scum and now I have a hard time deciding between the two. Would you guys help me out, who is more scummy according to you?
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EBWOP: I meant BM of course^^, not GB.
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Here is my real role pm:
+ Show Spoiler +The Reindeer: Carla has called you several times. You said you were busy with work. She doesn't buy it. On your way back you want to buy her some flowers. She likes the red ones, you recall. You surprise her with some roses... oh... just to find her with another girl... In your bed... You run out of the house. Carla dashes after you. "Where are you going?" "I think left the lights on in my bureau". You still haven't checked out your pm box. You have no idea what your role is. It could be town, it could be mafia, it could be 3rd party. You are not afraid of getting modkilled, when inventing a role.
I'm going to sleep now.
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Guys, it's true, I haven't checked out my role pm. That's all there is to it. Why do you pay attention to the formatting and stuff? The italic stuff is the important ones. That's the reason why I could post it without getting modkilled, because it's not the real pm.
Calm down, we still got enough time left. Let's start with my townreads. ComaDose and BM. Not sure why the irony wasn't apparent? Maybe forum posts are really bad for it. My apologies.
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And why do I do that? Because then people can't scumread me, and I can just try my best and find scum. The downside is of course as the days go on, people want to know what I am and where I am at. So probably one day when they ran out of ideas, they will probably go for the statistical chance of me being mafia and grab it. They just need to find enough paranoid townies who support it and bam there you go.
If I was mafia in this, then it's actually better you find my remaining partner, and when you see no NK, there you go. Game won. If I was mafia you're actually playing with an additional townie, who really tries his best to find scum here. And I did read Cixah correctly and I did read GB correctly. But ok, if the confusion is more than you can handle, I can understand why you would want me out. I always thought people who play this game likes to be confused and surprised.^^
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oh no wtf is this, coma got banned?
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This is some desastrous shit here. I'd like to concede. ComaDose was my scum partner.
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Concede, concede, concede, jeez, where is yamato? ComaDose didn't vote yet and will be modkilled for sure. Me I'm likely gonna get lynched today, so lel, why drag this on longer, especially if I won't have vote support from Coma.
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Ok I finally got everyone's reaction together.
The chance was there for me and Coma to be scumpartners, but unlikely given that I don't even know my role and I read Coma town. So the only ones who knew that this game was going to continue would be scum themselves, and jcarlsoniv is kinda late to this reaction test, especially given that he was around at that time. LT and Dandel with good reaction to what an unsuspecting townie would do, Asmodeus a bit late too. Cixah didn't even vote me thinking the game is over.
LOL like there is still a 5% chance that some mod will come here and end this game, BUT if this game here continues, it means that me and Coma cannot be scum together. One of us has to be town or even both. Still not believe what I say? Then you should vote me already, I'm staying with soniv. I think soniv knew that the game would go on.
##VOTE:jcarlsoniv
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Nah, I didn't lie. Just something I thought was worth trying. There was a small chance after all that me and Coma were scum together. And if it really was the case I really didn't mind the game ending right there, because who the hell would know Coma is suddenly here again. But I actually already considered that a real concede would have to go through the host with pm. hihi^^
If I was lying why didn't you guys pointed it out in the beginning? Most of you were sure as hell that the game would be over, even some spectator came here to post. Of course only scum would not believe the game would be over, that's just the point I'm trying to make. I think it's there in the reactions. Even if I was scum, maybe it would help you guys figure out the rest.
Oh yeah, here is the deal: at 15min before EoD I will finally check out my pm. If I am scum I will tell you. We can have some nice little scum-town talk maybe and wonder how I actually bus GB without knowing it. Then there is only one mafia left. In my opinion it will be difficult for you to figure it out. Did he bus me? when did he bus me? I have ask myself that question and I can't figure it out.
Or I tell you I am town and you guys can think a bit whether you want to switch. It will be fun.
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On July 10 2015 04:24 ComaDose wrote:
like did you just admit you tried to sabotage the game?
No I didn't try to sabotage the game. You were BANNED. And I really tried to CONCEDE. I walk you through my thought process:
*plots doesn't know his role, he hasn't checked his pm, no one believes him and he is most likely gonna get lynched. Since he doesn't know his role, he could be mafia.
*Comadose is banned for who knows how long. Comadose could be mafia.
*in the off-chance case plots and Comadose are both mafia, ending the game right now would be the best, plots TRIES TO CONCEDE IN THE DARK
*nice side effect: if game does not end, comadose and plots cannot be both mafia, plus reactions from other mafia.
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On July 10 2015 04:47 ComaDose wrote:what was with that?
That was part of the CONCEDE IN THE DARK. Notice that I also had to call myself scum, if even I haven't checked my pm. How stupid would that concede look like if I posted:
"I might be scum here. Coma might be scum here. I'd like to concede in the case that we are both scum, because it looks like were both gonna die today (coma due to modkill because of a no-vote and me due to lynch)"
I'm pretty sure that's not going to work in the off-chance that we were both scum. I had to assume it and put it forward as if I already knew we were both scum. There was the chance that the game ended right there.
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Ok I am town, VT even.I think soniv is mafia (with LT).
- early preparation to be suspicious of my claim, time and time again bringing it up to then finally be consistent with it and use it as one of the reasons to scumread me by assuring not to believe in my claim
- townread early by GB,
- scumreads me for doing nothing and riding with the chaos in the beginning, when I actually gave my reads
- later switches to the scenario that I bussed GB as early as possible to gain town credit, and to make it believable claiming that GB was doomed as soon as Cixah claimed
- N2, faking sort of impatience towards my behavior as preparation for D3
- D3, fake waffling between me and LT, sees Dandel policy-voting me, jumps on the boat claiming to have “thought it out”, but conveniently didn’t examine why a scum!LT could still do this after LT submitted his reasons. Funny thing is I offered a similar perspective why I can’t be scum bussing GB, but soniv argues that I could do it and then I used the defense I posted. Nice double standard. He wasn’t really interested in scumreading LT at all. Just fakes it in the beginning to later point out why LT is actually town for doing it.
- soniv and LT were there trying to save GB, don’t be fooled. It’s impossible GB would pull something like that with no possible support. Reread the interaction from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24524548
Soniv and LT totally fake and reeking of scum. LT pretending to be in agony:”aww dammit, fine, votes Cixah, WE’RE DOING THIS NOW, arggghh.. argg”
Soniv suddenly saying, no we don’t shenanny, after I firmly answered about her question regarding GB’s last game, that he is unlikely to be cop here.
- LT the whole friggin game is about asking questions, thinking loud, pondering, faking that he consider things, blah blah. I already saw it from a mile that his vote would be on me, while he still considers BM and pretends to “weigh” things up.
- Both LT and soniv declare BM’s no-lynch idea as stupid and LT even scumread BM. He fakes blowing up and calls BM’s idea “retarded shit”. I later even explained to Coma why it’s not “retarded shit” by detailing things out. I never see them mentioning it again or counter-discuss it with me.
- LT states in one of his posts, he is fine with lynching asmo, plotspot, coma and BM, basically spewing 4 townies.
- Soniv states that BM and possibly Asmo are good contenders as my scumpartner.
- Soniv setting up to scum-read Dandel by starting to “raise concerns”, which is just another ploy to be consistent later, don’t be surprised if they mention him killing HF as a reason later
- LT replies with “well if that’s the case, ggwp” to my conceding
- LT postering for when I find out I am town
- after I die don’t let them bla bla you into oblivion. Scum pair right there. Read their filter for more examples. If you see they live through the night, they will certainly start to come at BM the next day, possibly Coma or Asmo, after having shot Dandel or Cixah.
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lol they just want to get me lynched somehow, mafia fucking believed that I didn't read my pm, soniv so scum now. If you were town you act like the rest and don't question too much into it.
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hihi guard yourself when they start telling you "things" ^^ 100% it's coming
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BM is town, he doesn't care. Coma is town, like I don't know how to explain. Asmo is sort of timid town, but town. Dandel town too because soniv already preparing to cast suspicion lawl. Cixah super town.
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