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On June 20 2015 01:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:04 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 00:59 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 20 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
This might be my last post unfortunately
Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads Not a single mention on Mig, who raised suspicions on me but did not vote me. But Shockey? Oh, he IS Mafia. LOLOLOLOL Bugs, pls Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate. But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't I will only associate after one of you flips But my problem here is your discourse in the beginning of the game "Mig is the only one I know and that I have a good grasp on his play" and completely forgetting him. He then comes to the game and you comment on him and give him a town read ONLY when inquired. Then you're in this HELLISH tunnel on me that everybody that defends me is almost instantly scum (you said to Rsoultin "lol you're probably Mafia with GB" and you are locking on lynching Shockey right after me), but Mig is out of that. As you know Mig's play I thought you could say "doing that, although wrong, is his town play", but you said you FORGOT about him and that he is PROBABLY MAFIA. lol Double standards much? You're not trying to solve the game at all, you're just pushing an agenda that feels good to you. GB before bugs went against you who would you say the most likely lynch candidates were going to be? I can't answer this without wifoming. If you're okay with that: Boxerfred would always be a wagon. He got 7 votes. Then Mig brought suspicions on me, bugs started working with that, I derped hard and a second wagon was built on me. I think my wagon was scum driven. They secured a mislynch by having two townies as main wagons. The person who got a lot of flak was LS. Although a lot of people defended him, the push on LS was hard. I think he would be the second candidate. Which reinforces your idea of LS being scum (in other words, deflecting his wagon to create mine)
I'm more interested in what you think of Ls actually not me
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On June 20 2015 01:11 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:10 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 01:04 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 00:59 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 20 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
This might be my last post unfortunately
Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads Not a single mention on Mig, who raised suspicions on me but did not vote me. But Shockey? Oh, he IS Mafia. LOLOLOLOL Bugs, pls Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate. But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't I will only associate after one of you flips But my problem here is your discourse in the beginning of the game "Mig is the only one I know and that I have a good grasp on his play" and completely forgetting him. He then comes to the game and you comment on him and give him a town read ONLY when inquired. Then you're in this HELLISH tunnel on me that everybody that defends me is almost instantly scum (you said to Rsoultin "lol you're probably Mafia with GB" and you are locking on lynching Shockey right after me), but Mig is out of that. As you know Mig's play I thought you could say "doing that, although wrong, is his town play", but you said you FORGOT about him and that he is PROBABLY MAFIA. lol Double standards much? You're not trying to solve the game at all, you're just pushing an agenda that feels good to you. GB before bugs went against you who would you say the most likely lynch candidates were going to be? I can't answer this without wifoming. If you're okay with that: Boxerfred would always be a wagon. He got 7 votes. Then Mig brought suspicions on me, bugs started working with that, I derped hard and a second wagon was built on me. I think my wagon was scum driven. They secured a mislynch by having two townies as main wagons. The person who got a lot of flak was LS. Although a lot of people defended him, the push on LS was hard. I think he would be the second candidate. Which reinforces your idea of LS being scum (in other words, deflecting his wagon to create mine) I'm more interested in what you think of Ls actually not me
Because GB here's the thing
if you think LS is town, which you sort of hinted at then in your mind, with what looks like a 2 town wagon forming, mafia decided to create a 3rd wagon aswell which seems unlikely.
I'm not stating this as fact I want to hear your response
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On June 20 2015 01:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Here all the roles I had played except for Witchcraft III which I was a Witchhunter:
Campus Mafia Town Detective Lynched Day 1
Student Mafia IV Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3
TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells Town Ghost of Christmas Present Survived Night 5
Metal Mini Mafia! Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4
Newbie Mini Mafia LX Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2
New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia Town Vigilante Killed Night 3
Student Mafia V Town Cop Killed Night 2
Linux Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Night 1
Horn of Africa Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3
Slytherin Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3
VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Town Vanilla Survived Night 4
Office Mini Mafia Town Cop Survived Day 4
Jack of All Trades Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Night 3
XXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) Town Roleblocker Scum killed Night 2
TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 2
Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal Town Commissioner Gordon Killed Night 2
Game of Thrones Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1
Newbie Student Mafia VIII Town Vigilante Killed Night 2
Hajime no Ippo Maifa Town David Eagle Killed Night 5
Assassination Mafia! Town Martyr Survived Day 3
Where does it say I had layed JK?
no one cares
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On June 20 2015 01:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:On June 20 2015 01:08 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 01:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also interesting note about GB regqarding rsoultins points:
1. He does do it as both alignment but does it more as scum than town juding from a small sample size.
2. I know he had made bad cases before as both alignments from memory and looking back in his recent games.
3. He does seem to focus on 1 thing more often as scum and he doesn't do associative votes when he's town (See Assassination since that's the latest game in the database)
Also another interesting thing to note is that GB posts more as town than scum and does have one of the largest filters this game.
Conclusion: Bugs could be wrong on GB's alignment and could be tunneled from last game :O
ok if GB is town who are the mafia ? I found shockeyy's behavior very weird EoD I did reconsider my scumread on him around EoD then stuff happened with him switching to BF when GB was his scumread and his explanation seemed weak at best. VA is always a good policy lynch since he does very little as both alignments from what I remember of him. If I wrong on one of my town reads it could be Mig he haven't really posted much although I did like of content earlier and how he voted BF at the end end seemed weird esp given his reaction to shockeyy's switch. ????????????? Where do you town read mig?
he pretty much town read everyone as soon as they posted.
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On June 20 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?"Which you some what answered here, but I'm expecting something different out of you: On June 19 2015 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:40 Fidei86 wrote:
WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.
If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.
Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.
In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia. I honestly don't care if some people think I am mafia. If they are town and they want to think that they are in some bizarro world they can, but they aren't doing themselves or the rest of the team any favours in doing so. Right now I'm pretty annoyed with the game given that I basically posted constantly and gave the best effort I could possibly give to get GB lynched and yet we lost at the end because of people like Shockeyy and Onegu who did absolutely nothing all game and yet had the greatest influence over the lynch in the end. The best part about all of this is that we have people like rsoultin who are fairly likely to be town at the end of it all complaining about the thread being hard or too long to read when they have the largest filters in the game, and yet having literally 0 scumreads over a space of 48 hours. while i work with the more than 0 scumreads i already gave you almighty amazing reader misrepresenting me so awesomely right now, do you mind attempting to reapproach the game from the perspective that you might actually be mistaken on gb, or is that a futile request for me to make, even as a hypothetical exercise? I already did that and the game actually doesn't make sense from that perspective why the fuck would multiple people hammer BF right at the end with no explanation whatsoever if there were two townies up for lynch? The case on GB was far stronger than the one on BF and pretty much the only person that disagreed with that was you. In fact, even some people who supposedly agreed with the GB case, e.g. Shockeyy and Mig voted BF instead of GB, while our troll friend ritoky over here ended up kindly wasting his vote completely. I want to give yamato the benefit of the doubt that he legitimately just forgot to vote or whatever but that lack of vote is also really damning for him given that he also found GB scummy prior to the lynch. Whatever though, I hate replacements and given his posting style and comments this game he's probably not scum anyway. You will ALWAYS be able to build bigger and more comprehensive cases on people that have 10x the pages of a second scum read. You're basically saying I'm Mafia with Shockey and Onegu out of bad unflipped association I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off. On June 19 2015 13:52 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB. THIS post was crap. Why are you second guessing your own posts and posting this to tell us you're going to keep filter diving? Because you already have the biggest filter in the game. We lynched the smallest, now we should lynch the biggest if that's the logic you play by. Are you going to keep creating posts to build your filter to make it harder to scum read you? On June 19 2015 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye  if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. Haven't read you filter yet I base day1 on biggest filters, not the whole game What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters. You can keep thinking i'm scum, but if you are really town, I need you to realize I lynched the one that really seemed scummier to me. Either we work together and really find scum or you keep on with your ignorance of me since the first game we played together. Now back to re-reading thread and follow up since I have the time to do so atm. Wow. This post is so townie it hurts.Alright, I've calling you scum out of tone and imperfect meta. I'll take a step back and assume you can be town, since now I am very inclined to lynch other people I don't really want to fully disclose now.
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seriously GB what are you talking about with that shockeyy post being "so townie"
like there is a part I don't even understand where he talks about "we lynched smallest filter , now we lynch biggest" and that is under a quote from fide that is totally unrelated to anything
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On June 20 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:32 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?"Which you some what answered here, but I'm expecting something different out of you: On June 19 2015 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:40 Fidei86 wrote:
WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.
If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.
Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.
In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia. I honestly don't care if some people think I am mafia. If they are town and they want to think that they are in some bizarro world they can, but they aren't doing themselves or the rest of the team any favours in doing so. Right now I'm pretty annoyed with the game given that I basically posted constantly and gave the best effort I could possibly give to get GB lynched and yet we lost at the end because of people like Shockeyy and Onegu who did absolutely nothing all game and yet had the greatest influence over the lynch in the end. The best part about all of this is that we have people like rsoultin who are fairly likely to be town at the end of it all complaining about the thread being hard or too long to read when they have the largest filters in the game, and yet having literally 0 scumreads over a space of 48 hours. while i work with the more than 0 scumreads i already gave you almighty amazing reader misrepresenting me so awesomely right now, do you mind attempting to reapproach the game from the perspective that you might actually be mistaken on gb, or is that a futile request for me to make, even as a hypothetical exercise? I already did that and the game actually doesn't make sense from that perspective why the fuck would multiple people hammer BF right at the end with no explanation whatsoever if there were two townies up for lynch? The case on GB was far stronger than the one on BF and pretty much the only person that disagreed with that was you. In fact, even some people who supposedly agreed with the GB case, e.g. Shockeyy and Mig voted BF instead of GB, while our troll friend ritoky over here ended up kindly wasting his vote completely. I want to give yamato the benefit of the doubt that he legitimately just forgot to vote or whatever but that lack of vote is also really damning for him given that he also found GB scummy prior to the lynch. Whatever though, I hate replacements and given his posting style and comments this game he's probably not scum anyway. You will ALWAYS be able to build bigger and more comprehensive cases on people that have 10x the pages of a second scum read. You're basically saying I'm Mafia with Shockey and Onegu out of bad unflipped association I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off. On June 19 2015 13:52 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB. THIS post was crap. Why are you second guessing your own posts and posting this to tell us you're going to keep filter diving? Because you already have the biggest filter in the game. We lynched the smallest, now we should lynch the biggest if that's the logic you play by. Are you going to keep creating posts to build your filter to make it harder to scum read you? On June 19 2015 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read.
And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. Haven't read you filter yet I base day1 on biggest filters, not the whole game What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters. You can keep thinking i'm scum, but if you are really town, I need you to realize I lynched the one that really seemed scummier to me. Either we work together and really find scum or you keep on with your ignorance of me since the first game we played together. Now back to re-reading thread and follow up since I have the time to do so atm. Wow. This post is so townie it hurts.Alright, I've calling you scum out of tone and imperfect meta. I'll take a step back and assume you can be town, since now I am very inclined to lynch other people I don't really want to fully disclose now. why? He is appealing to me and asking me to reevaluate, which is per se, townie. But you see, he appealed to ME, which indicates he town reads me, consistent to his change of votes. In the other way, he isn't appealing to bugs who has been calling him scum too. It follows a town perspective perfectly
I didn't get the impression he actually town read you, he told me he voted bf just because he was "more scummy"
I'd be interested to know why shockeyy town reads you now
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meh either way I didn't get the "wow that guy is townie" feeling from his post and I am surprised you did.
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On June 20 2015 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Kelsier, what would you expect from a Mafia?
I would expect a Mafia would align himself with bugs and go against me. Way easer than appealing to me.
Do you get where I'm coming from?
It depends on your alignment, like most of my thoughts at this point.
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i'm going to read over the lynch and then note dump. be like 30 minutes.
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this is how shit looked before the GB stuff started.
On June 18 2015 23:34 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (7): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred LightningStrike (3): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy ShoCkeyy (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCHolyflare (1): boxerfred Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority GlowingBear (1): wherebugsgo KelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, HolyflareOnegu (0): NydusHerMainwherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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we know bf is town.
let's say GB is mafia
it instantly clears bugs, VA, LS and hf.
hf would have no reason to switch from town to his mafia buddy, nor LS , bugs went crazy on him and VA provided the meta case.
On June 19 2015 03:57 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (6): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred GlowingBear (4): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike LightningStrike (2): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy Holyflare (1): boxerfred Onegu (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain Lohengramm (0): VayneAuthorityShoCkeyy (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCKelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflarewherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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so mafia probably can't let a man go down and have a whole bunch of confirmed town so bf needs to die.
On June 19 2015 04:12 NydusHerMain wrote:
I won't be able to make a case on onegu in enough time but I think gb is townier than bf
##Vote: boxerfred
doesn't look great for you, but I think this is consistent with his logic and nydus feels town
On June 19 2015 05:28 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (6): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain GlowingBear (5): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, KelsierSC LightningStrike (2): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy, KelsierSCHolyflare (1): boxerfred Onegu (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMainLohengramm (0): VayneAuthorityShoCkeyy (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCKelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflarewherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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we reach this point with things looking bad for mafia
in this time we get some interesting votes
yamato does apparently vote for boxer but it doesnt go through
On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote:
I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.
I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.
For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;
##Vote: boxerfred
On June 19 2015 06:46 Onegu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Boxerfred
I think if GB is mafia then this is highly suspicous.
Fide pokes his head into to say why he won't vote GB
On June 19 2015 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
@Kel I'm around, keeping tabs on the thread while I'm at work. For what it's worth, and it's probably not much, I agree with GB's sentiment here. A d1 lynch is pretty unlikely to succeed. In the last game I was in (HG) the top three wagons on d1 were all town. This game has been 20 times less likely to actually find a scum imo, given that we're almost at ninety pages after 2 days. PSA: People, your spam and OMGUS'ing is not helpful. You make it super easy for mafia just to blend in to the noise, and you make it super hard for townies (like me) to actually engage with what's going on. If you have a case, please MAKE IT, then let other people actually read it. Don't just keep spamming back and forth. If you're town, you're NEVER going to convince a mafia that they are mafia - they'll keep protesting their innocence until they are lynched. Same if they're town. The people you have to convince is everyone else, and frankly I'm just kind of turned off by all this.
So, back to GB - he's posting, people can get reads on him, and those reads will only get stronger and more accurate over time. Worst case if we don't lynch him is that he's mafia and we catch him later. However, if we do lynch him, we're missing the opportunity to lynch a scummy lurker. If you let the lurkers live, they just turn the later days into a coinflip for active town.
On June 19 2015 05:44 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (6): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain GlowingBear (5): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, KelsierSC LightningStrike (2): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy, KelsierSCHolyflare (1): boxerfred Onegu (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMainLohengramm (0): VayneAuthorityShoCkeyy (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCKelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflarewherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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we are around this point just before migs vote
On June 19 2015 06:49 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count GlowingBear (6): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, KelsierSC, boxerfred, ShoCkeyy boxerfred (6): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu ShoCkeyy (3): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, ritoky LightningStrike (0): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy, KelsierSCHolyflare (0): boxerfredOnegu (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMainLohengramm (0): VayneAuthorityKelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflarewherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (2): Lohengramm, Mig Clinging to the ledge, GlowingBear hangs over the abyss.
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at this point we get interesting things happening.
On June 19 2015 06:52 Breshke wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Glowingbear
breshke with the potential god tier switch
sudden response.
On June 19 2015 06:53 Mig wrote:
##vote boxer
On June 19 2015 06:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##unvote
##vote Boxerfred
so in the palce where GB is mafia I think the best place to look is onegu, ShoCkeyy, Mig, Fide and yamato
note that shockkey talks about controlling the lynch but at the time he voted for glowing bear, yamato and mig had not voted so mafia would still be in control of the lynch. if they were mafia..
i will next see how it looks if GB is town and then draw conclusions
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let's see what we get when GB is town.
On June 18 2015 23:34 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (7): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred LightningStrike (3): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy ShoCkeyy (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCHolyflare (1): boxerfred Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority GlowingBear (1): wherebugsgo KelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, HolyflareOnegu (0): NydusHerMainwherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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let's go back to this point just before the GB shenanigans.
On June 19 2015 05:28 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (6): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain GlowingBear (5): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, KelsierSC LightningStrike (2): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy, KelsierSCHolyflare (1): boxerfred Onegu (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMainLohengramm (0): VayneAuthorityShoCkeyy (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCKelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflarewherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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and then the initial votes on GB, so motivation in each case. I think that bugs pushed on this so hard that if GB flipped it looks bad for him. it would make sense if LS was mafia and he needed to save him but I don't know if LS and bugs would tie themselves that hard together.
and if LS is town then why make this push at all. hf again it doesn't make a lot of sense for a mafia to jump from town to town. although it does happen. it makes VA look bad because he may have thought it was a good place to make his input then leave a vote.
On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear
in each case of ShoCkeyy voting he creates the majority lynch. I think his reason to vote GB was pretty fake and maybe he just wanted an excuse to be on a wagon. but then why switch? I need to think about this one more.
On June 19 2015 06:46 Onegu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Boxerfred
Could probably just leave his vote where it is and not draw suspicon, unless he thinks GB was going to be the lynch.
On June 19 2015 06:52 Breshke wrote:
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same thing as hf, i don't know why he switches there if he is mafia and gb is town.
Of course you could argue that GB was on the right track and mafia saw the chance to kill him. But I don't think this was the case.
On June 19 2015 06:53 Mig wrote:
##vote boxer
again main problem here is that it goes against mig's own posts and reads and doesn't make much sense. like if GB is town why doesn't he just vote him?
yamato "voting" boker but then not actually voting. looks bad if they are both town, like he doesn't want to be tied to any lynch..but then why even fake vote boxer at all. I don't know.
In conclusion, I think the GB is mafia perspective seems more likely. with GB being town there are a lot of questions that don't have answers.
like mig's vote, shockey's switch , yamato not voting.
So I'm in the mindset right now of GB as mafia
then mafia being shockey,onegu,mig,yamato..maybe fide I don't know.
you know who town is based on my fort.
I think bugs is town aswell.
I would let rsoul in but her town read of fide "cos" and same with damdred means she has to stay outside
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On June 20 2015 03:17 rsoultin wrote:
Lol yeah he did
Already addressed your problem with my reads ksc but itsk got my own fort! And yeah no one will like my.fidei read but it's cool cuz i'm right anyway lol
no grills allowed
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now i'm going to drink heavily
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wtf is thisn i need permission fuckyou
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On June 20 2015 06:24 rsoultin wrote:
-faceplams-
can you like
tldr it in a jiffy?
best thing if you want his reads is just to read what bugs wrote hehehehe
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hf was the GOAT
i actually had some good early reads with bugs and shockeyy being mafia but outside of that I didn't play great.
mhmm yeh I think mafia played well,
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