On June 19 2015 05:19 rsoultin wrote: tldr anyone? otherwise starting at page 77 @.@
Bugs made a case on GB and people want to switch to him from Boxerfred plus KSC and Shockeyy added in some meta into the mix for the GB case.
it was VA actually not me
I just talked about the Breshke case being bad
Oh sorry you shoulda taken the cred lol. So TLDR for rsoultin: 1.Bugs made a case on GB and Shockeyy and VA added in some meta to it. 2.GB made a bad case on Breshke that got shut down by KSC and others(I think)
On June 19 2015 05:24 Fidei86 wrote: @Kel I'm around, keeping tabs on the thread while I'm at work. For what it's worth, and it's probably not much, I agree with GB's sentiment here. A d1 lynch is pretty unlikely to succeed. In the last game I was in (HG) the top three wagons on d1 were all town. This game has been 20 times less likely to actually find a scum imo, given that we're almost at ninety pages after 2 days. PSA: People, your spam and OMGUS'ing is not helpful. You make it super easy for mafia just to blend in to the noise, and you make it super hard for townies (like me) to actually engage with what's going on. If you have a case, please MAKE IT, then let other people actually read it. Don't just keep spamming back and forth. If you're town, you're NEVER going to convince a mafia that they are mafia - they'll keep protesting their innocence until they are lynched. Same if they're town. The people you have to convince is everyone else, and frankly I'm just kind of turned off by all this.
So, back to GB - he's posting, people can get reads on him, and those reads will only get stronger and more accurate over time. Worst case if we don't lynch him is that he's mafia and we catch him later. However, if we do lynch him, we're missing the opportunity to lynch a scummy lurker. If you let the lurkers live, they just turn the later days into a coinflip for active town.
Lynching lurkers Day 1 isn't optimal play when you can lynch scum imo.
On June 19 2015 05:27 Holyflare wrote: always lynch scummy people not lurkers unless the lurker is scummy in which case you're still lynching the scummy person
lynching active people also gives you incredible information post flip for people's reactions and stances to the wagon whereas a lurker lynch is a massive cop out and people can just free ride it to a mislynch if they are mafia
you say day 1 is the hardest day to succeed and that's because there is no flip information, day 2 would be the same with a lurker lynch
You made a longer version what I said with better info on why lol.
On June 19 2015 05:24 Fidei86 wrote: @Kel I'm around, keeping tabs on the thread while I'm at work. For what it's worth, and it's probably not much, I agree with GB's sentiment here. A d1 lynch is pretty unlikely to succeed. In the last game I was in (HG) the top three wagons on d1 were all town. This game has been 20 times less likely to actually find a scum imo, given that we're almost at ninety pages after 2 days. PSA: People, your spam and OMGUS'ing is not helpful. You make it super easy for mafia just to blend in to the noise, and you make it super hard for townies (like me) to actually engage with what's going on. If you have a case, please MAKE IT, then let other people actually read it. Don't just keep spamming back and forth. If you're town, you're NEVER going to convince a mafia that they are mafia - they'll keep protesting their innocence until they are lynched. Same if they're town. The people you have to convince is everyone else, and frankly I'm just kind of turned off by all this.
So, back to GB - he's posting, people can get reads on him, and those reads will only get stronger and more accurate over time. Worst case if we don't lynch him is that he's mafia and we catch him later. However, if we do lynch him, we're missing the opportunity to lynch a scummy lurker. If you let the lurkers live, they just turn the later days into a coinflip for active town.
Lynching lurkers Day 1 isn't optimal play when you can lynch scum imo.
... I mean, that's obviously true (to the extent that it's basically a truism). My point is that I don't think we have a very good chance of catching a scum today. This thread has been a dumpster, where most people who aren't involved in the OMGUS/tit-for-tat are probably just finding their strongest town read (for me it's Rsoult btw) and sheeping them. But at least if we lynch a lurker, we guarantee that we make it harder for mafia to keep lurking and blending in.
I recognise that there's sort of a logical tension here - I'm saying that we should lynch lurkers, but I'm also saying that all this volume of posting is also seriously town-detrimental. I guess I'm just an optimist, as I think people will eventually run out of steam soon and then we can start having some actually quasi-serious discussions.
There seems to be this sort of implication here that what we've had so far is not serious.
What makes you say that the GB lynch has not been substantiated in serious discussion? Like 6-7 people have commented on it and we have a fairly wide array of perspectives and information that went into it. I put a chunk in re: GB's misrepresentation of my play, KSC pointed out how his Breshke case was terrible (speaking of Breshke, where the hell is he?) VA and Shockeyy pointed out elements of his meta that fit to his play here, and HF has provided his own opinions and corroboration of GB's play from previous games as well. Individually I think all of those pieces of information are pretty valuable and strong on their own, but together they are the strongest indication that we have the correct lynch for today.
OTOH when you look at the BF case it's mostly people just whining that they don't like his posting style and his activity. That doesn't really inspire confidence to me.
Breshke lives in Australia so it's early in the morning for him atm.
On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote: LS what think you?
Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear
My vote actually is on someone, you must've missed my post where I say I'm really busy until the next day. I'm not even lurking currently, I just skimmed through some pages and found your post sticking out so I want to point that out.
Note how it would be way easier for me to not say that.
I didn't catch it all I thought you didn't vote at all I guess I was blind for a little bit but anyways HF isn't going to get lynched today do you mind reading Bugs case on GB on Page 82ish and give me your thoughts on it?
On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote: LS what think you?
Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear
My vote actually is on someone, you must've missed my post where I say I'm really busy until the next day. I'm not even lurking currently, I just skimmed through some pages and found your post sticking out so I want to point that out.
Note how it would be way easier for me to not say that.
I didn't catch it all I thought you didn't vote at all I guess I was blind for a little bit but anyways HF isn't going to get lynched today do you mind reading Bugs case on GB on Page 82ish and give me your thoughts on it?
On June 19 2015 06:03 ritoky wrote: I just want to say that regardless of who gets lynched here, if you're the cop and you don't investigate the other guy tonight....I am going to punch you in the genitalia.
Robik said he would punch rsoultin at the vagina and you saw how that worked out for him lol.
On June 19 2015 06:31 Breshke wrote: rso, what do you think about GB's case on me I have like no time tor ead the thread so please dont tell me to go look
The case on you from GB was bad and was shut down by KSC and others(I think).
On June 19 2015 06:31 Breshke wrote: rso, what do you think about GB's case on me I have like no time tor ead the thread so please dont tell me to go look
The case on you from GB was bad and was shut down by KSC and others(I think).
LS, if you're townreading me bby this time sheep me
i'm about as certain as i can be that gb is not scum here...why do you think he's scum?
I like Bugs case on GB plus some of the meta points by VA and Shockeyy esp because I just played with GB when he was scum. Why not sheep me instead?
On June 19 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, I'm going against Shockey
hmm...i thought you had bf as a main scum read though
Ugh I don't know this is super fucking weird.
And he still hasn't fucking answered me? Don't you see? This is why I switched. I just posted it out flat for you and him to see why I switched my vote. It just drives me mad when a player can easily avoid me voting them by just answering my question. My read on GB was null as you can see... After he went off with his rage posts, I brought it up that he played just like that in the previous game where he was scum and a smurf... Now how is that weird that I vote for him?
I sorry about thinking you are scum but now I thinking you're town bro after these last like 30 mins I think I found the light that you are more likely town than scum.
On June 19 2015 06:44 GlowingBear wrote: Shut up HF, good players are playing
lynch the fuck out of this guy
right now
RIGHT NOW
anyone that is voting for boxerfred
ANSWER THIS QUESTION
WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THE GUY THAT HAS PROMISED TO PLAY IN FUTURE CYCLES WITH THE GUY THAT IS SCUM READING HIM FOR HIS FIRST POST IN THE GAME?????
^ misrepresentation go away
HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
NO IT'S NOT
PROVE IT IS OR GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR USELESS CRAP
On June 19 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote:
Mafia POV 1) I think that it is weird that he says he skimmed through the topic but only payed attention in you and Kelsier. I don't see why a town would do that. More than that, he doesn't say much about Kelsier, the guy he payed more attention to. If he really skimmed the thread, I would expect the had an opinion on more proeminent players under discussion, like LS. This kind of disconnection sounds mafia to me. 2) Opening is mafia-ish, I expect townies to come to the thread and post whatever shit they want and keep going. He made an opening commenting someone's post (easier opening for mafia) + immediately peaced out. Why even bother posting?
That's all I have on him. I read him as mafia, but I disagree with all your points.
everyone is voting with this guy who has these reasons for voting bf
literally ignores everything and says it's because of his first post (the first point is something i already brought up and he said was shit and used it again anyway LOL)