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indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 17:59 GMT
#1212
Slam has been more serious in his towngames for a long time now btw.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 18:01 GMT
#1215
On April 28 2015 02:59 rsoultin wrote:
the point quite simply is you're ignoring everything else to base your read on the hypothetical assumption that slam would continue to attempt to change his meta this game...that would be supported by playing as a smurf, but then why drop the smurf mask so fast?

He didn't have a choice. FF knew who he is.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 18:02 GMT
#1219
On April 28 2015 03:01 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
On April 28 2015 02:56 rsoultin wrote:
On April 28 2015 02:53 Holyflare wrote:
On April 28 2015 02:47 rsoultin wrote:
On April 28 2015 02:37 Koshi wrote:
On April 28 2015 02:28 Holyflare wrote:
Jean is in the "maybe town" category because when he did post it was fully articulated and although it came to no conclusion he was well aware that him making that post would end up with him being scum read and he pre-emptively stated it before he made the post. I'm pretty sure i've actually elaborated on that read in this game so far so it's not exactly rocket science. I don't even mind his conclusions because they are technically the correct ones (sandroba so far is scummy but wait and see because maybe he might not be etc). I don't think he's that scummy at all so he's most definitely in the correct place.

Slam is not like you're saying at all. Ever since guardians he's tried to adapt his play style to be a more serious one and actually play the game so when he's actually posted stuff that wasn't serious but was kind of serious it makes it look like rather than trying to blend and act all super towny he was still being care free and having some fun in the game without the need to delve into complete nonsensical posting like he used to.

Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me mafia it just makes you shit.

What Jean did doesn't make him town. If he truly believed in his sandroba read he would feel guilty. I don't even know what you are talking about btw. It just reads like Jean felt guilty and said it and you say because he said he felt guilty he is actually town?
stupiest thing I read in a long time.

Your version of the Slam meta is terrible. Slam is hard to read. But your new Slam meta is contrived and completely wrong. The old Slam meta is way better: Slam not being happy = Slam mafia. Slam being obvious town = Slam town. Slam being absolutely null but active = Slam is null. You read the null Slam depending if he wants to kill himself for the town when he gets under pressure. Easy.
This Slam is way more likely mafia. Maybe he isn't. But you don't fucking know he is top town.


^ i do agree with koshi on your slam read hf lol >< pure speculation. last games he was in were guardians (wanting to be serious to break meta) and aperture (just giddy with his cool role xP) not sure how you arrive at "new meta" based on...guesswork that hasn't happened yet?


i based it off of guardians and what people were saying in guardians about his play in omgus where he started to play a serious meta instead, are you saying this was not the case? he doesn't seem serious to me at all this game


lol i'm saying it's a bad read hf

like i could make up shit based on his guardians play, too!

devil's advocate time:
but clearly he was so frustrated with the reactions at his attempt to be serious in guardians that he might very well give up on trying to play serious...he certainly wasn't playing serious in aperture



well i assumed that he smurfed in an attempt to try and play differently and the seriousness doesn't even make a difference because i'm quite literally telling you he's not being that serious -.-


yes you are quite literally telling me that his not being serious makes him scum this game xP i'm aware of that

all of my wat
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 18:04 GMT
#1223
Rsoultin, for someone mocking others about reading comprehension you are posting some really risky stuff I have to say.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 18:27 GMT
#1261
On April 28 2015 03:22 Vivax wrote:
I'll cheer for you Koshi. I rly want to be bros

Probably mafia.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 18:49 GMT
#1285
On April 28 2015 03:39 Holyflare wrote:
yamato said he can't play for the first part of the cycle

sandro has posted and is scummy

Yamato also said he would have time in the latter half which is now.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 18:51 GMT
#1289
On April 28 2015 03:50 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 03:49 indignant wrote:
On April 28 2015 03:39 Holyflare wrote:
yamato said he can't play for the first part of the cycle

sandro has posted and is scummy

Yamato also said he would have time in the latter half which is now.

Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 03:41 Holyflare wrote:
totally thought there was still 24 hours



Totally answered without refreshing the site.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 18:58 GMT
#1294
On April 28 2015 03:55 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 03:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Vivax is now in my townpile for belligerence/his whole "I'm town and this is how we're doing this" attitude that I only see him employ as town.

It's not a super strong read but I have yet to see him to do this a single time as mafia.


really really disagree with this read

like i don't know how i could disagree more

yeah...
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 19:39 GMT
#1351
On April 28 2015 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote:
On April 27 2015 10:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
On April 27 2015 10:47 Rygart wrote:
Marv is awesome sometimes but I still think we should vote Sandro.

Hello mystery traveller!

What actually makes sandroba scum? Nobody has really given me a straight answer to this simple question


His posts were all setup and barely any scum reading. Had one sentence on unexplained reads and it was more important to justify himself on setup than explain them.


+ afking meta

^ case

Push whatever you please - I am not switching off yamato without him posting.
The problem I have with a sandroba lynch is that the last time I played with him when he was town he was as awful as he is in this game.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 19:43 GMT
#1357
On April 28 2015 04:41 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 04:39 indignant wrote:
On April 28 2015 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
On April 27 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote:
On April 27 2015 10:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
On April 27 2015 10:47 Rygart wrote:
Marv is awesome sometimes but I still think we should vote Sandro.

Hello mystery traveller!

What actually makes sandroba scum? Nobody has really given me a straight answer to this simple question


His posts were all setup and barely any scum reading. Had one sentence on unexplained reads and it was more important to justify himself on setup than explain them.


+ afking meta

^ case

Push whatever you please - I am not switching off yamato without him posting.
The problem I have with a sandroba lynch is that the last time I played with him when he was town he was as awful as he is in this game.


which game? pretty sure he was dreadreturn and had no time in that game and still managed to post

He was? I am talking about Order mafia.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 19:44 GMT
#1359
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451310-tl-order-lxvi-mafia?user=sandroba
He produced this filter in 3 (!) days.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 19:44 GMT
#1362
On April 28 2015 04:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
IDK HF the case on breshke is pretty ok

Oh really? Seems to me like most of it has been said already by yours truly.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 19:46 GMT
#1365
On April 28 2015 04:45 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 04:44 indignant wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451310-tl-order-lxvi-mafia?user=sandroba
He produced this filter in 3 (!) days.


3 cycles or days? it's already infinitely better than his filter in this game anyway

Cycles.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 19:47 GMT
#1369
On April 28 2015 04:45 Jean Valjean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 04:41 Holyflare wrote:
On April 28 2015 04:39 Jean Valjean wrote:
On April 28 2015 04:36 sicklucker wrote:
Look at this two votes not on sandro. The resistance


I have no particular issue with a sandroba lynch. I have been writing this case on Breshke for a while and didn't know this switch was going on.

My case on sandroba was written 8 hours ago when there was still time for him to come back and take the leadership role his opening posts implied he would be taking. With every hour passing since then without him delivering on the expectations I feel he set for himself, he is more likely to be mafia.

So yes, we should absolutely lynch sandroba. There is currently no reason not to.


that's the thing about breshke with your case, he's just "meh" but i don't know if i can conclude that he's mafia like you do without some more time

sandroba is arguably the better vote, yamato even too

I suggest that you head over to a game called "Guardians of the Galaxy" and read the first page or so of content by Breshke that game if meta helps you better understand that this is not just meh. But to be honest there is plenty of time and I don't dislike your current direction.

Oh, I kinda don't think Koshi is mafia though, but I'm not ready to explain that read nor do I feel very convinced.

Regarding yamato, I simply have not read anything he has written. I am thus unable to make a conclusion on him.

His filter consists of 1 post. You will manage to read it in no time.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 19:49 GMT
#1374
Maybe, I am still happier with a yamato lynch and I will not let him slide by like this. The only alternative that is really tempting for me right now is damdred tbh.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 19:51 GMT
#1378
On April 28 2015 04:49 Koshi wrote:
Explain to me why yamato is mafia JAT.
pls.

I don't know. Maybe because he promised to play and isn't playing which is exactly his mafia meta? What kind of question is this?
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 19:52 GMT
#1382
On April 28 2015 04:50 Jean Valjean wrote:
@Xatalos I actually sort of agreed with Holyflare's point about LS. I am very unsure about him and I was almost ready to call him mafia, but his reaction to the rsoultin self-vote seemed genuine enough.

Sorry for spamming, I'll relax now. I've presented my case and sandroba is just as good lynch as Breshke (Go back and read my case on him and add to it the fact he never came back to fulfill on the expectations I sort of put out for him). So my #1 and #2 options are quite clear to the thread. I also think I've presented plenty of alternative reads for other people to understand my thought processes and thus figure out my alignment.

I might check back in tonight around the lynch.

Read yamato and tell us your opinion. Seriously, it is one post.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 19:54 GMT
#1384
On April 28 2015 04:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 04:51 indignant wrote:
On April 28 2015 04:49 Koshi wrote:
Explain to me why yamato is mafia JAT.
pls.

I don't know. Maybe because he promised to play and isn't playing which is exactly his mafia meta? What kind of question is this?

Ok. You are mafia.

indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 20:09 GMT
#1390
On April 28 2015 05:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I am okay with every single one of those people getting modkilled for not voting.
It would solve a whole lot very quickly.

Yep. Possibly a big percentage of the scumteam in there.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 20:10 GMT
#1392
On April 28 2015 05:06 Jean Valjean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 04:52 indignant wrote:
On April 28 2015 04:50 Jean Valjean wrote:
@Xatalos I actually sort of agreed with Holyflare's point about LS. I am very unsure about him and I was almost ready to call him mafia, but his reaction to the rsoultin self-vote seemed genuine enough.

Sorry for spamming, I'll relax now. I've presented my case and sandroba is just as good lynch as Breshke (Go back and read my case on him and add to it the fact he never came back to fulfill on the expectations I sort of put out for him). So my #1 and #2 options are quite clear to the thread. I also think I've presented plenty of alternative reads for other people to understand my thought processes and thus figure out my alignment.

I might check back in tonight around the lynch.

Read yamato and tell us your opinion. Seriously, it is one post.


Sure I guess I can do that.

Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 15:19 yamato77 wrote:
hello players of the game of mafia

I will invest more time into this game once things actually start rolling

my recent attempts at forcing early action have failed amazingly

the latter half of this cycle will be a better time for me to play anyway

see you all then.


There is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in this post. I can't remember if anyone has made the argument that "he promised activity and then didn't deliver", but that is at best speculative as he hasn't come back at all. If he came back weakly that would be something entirely different.

yamato is a fantastic cop check or a vigilante shot. If we have intelligent vigilantes in this game they should know their job is to clear out the trash that otherwise wastes people's time. Lynching yamato isn't bad if we have no faith in our alternative lynches, but because the reason is so obvious, there is no way of telling who legitimately believes he has a reason to lynch yamato, and who is just saying the words and applying the vote.

I will under no circumstance defend or oppose a lynch on yamato, but I simply think it's a shot in the dark on an afk player. I think both Breshke and sandroba are better candidates for the lynch.

What if I tell you that this is standard yamato mafia play while as town he does not do this?
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