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On March 02 2015 18:26 yamato77 wrote: There's just no feasible way that both artanis and FF were mafia, and artanis DIDN'T VOTE HIM
Would scum goon Artanis vote scum Godfather FF to save himself?
I toyed with that possibility. It explains his unwillingness to defend himself and shift off his wagon to save himself.
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Ebwop: shift others off his wagon
I should really be asleep right now.
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On March 02 2015 18:48 Tronak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2015 18:35 The Shining wrote:On March 02 2015 18:26 yamato77 wrote: There's just no feasible way that both artanis and FF were mafia, and artanis DIDN'T VOTE HIM Would scum goon Artanis vote scum Godfather FF to save himself? I toyed with that possibility. It explains his unwillingness to defend himself and shift off his wagon to save himself. I certainly can't follow why Artanis and FF can't be mafia toguether.
I'm sorry but it's late and my brain is broken. Are you agreeing with me here? Or at least agreeing that them as a team is a possibility?
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On March 01 2015 08:41 KelsierSC wrote: If you are worrried about safety then we lynch ff because artanis does useful things as town .
So Kels tried to save Artanis, as well. I saw this while reanalyzing votes and EoD actions leading up to the lynch. I'm too tired to dive Kels right now but I will when I wake up. Kels had a ton of filter but nothing particularly memorable, which doesn't feel right considering all that content. Onegu hasn't done much today, either.
Yamato is right. I don't see any possible scum bussing unless I waffle on my weakest reads, which are SL and Tronak. But Tronak is still reading town to me and SL...I can't lynch him until something disproves my theory. And don't ask me what it is because if scum hasn't seen it, I won't point it out to them.
To me, its still likely that its Prob/kelskynegu. Both are on the counter wagon, possibly trying to save Artanis. My FF godfather theory is basically tinfoil but it isn't impossible either.
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On March 05 2015 05:33 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 17:24 Onegu wrote: Ok yeah I will make my shining case in the morning just finished the filter and really believe that's your final mafia right there. You can thank me for solving the game tomorrow. where is this i'm probably gonna sheep tronak onto you if this doesn't materialize fwiw
Lol is this because you're my final scum, Onegu? I can't wait to see this case.
I'm sheeping myself onto you fwiw.
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Pretty sure its on me. I'm pretty excited.
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On March 05 2015 19:26 Onegu wrote: And don't worry you will get the case before EOD I promise. Other than that I don't have any reads for you other than Yamato obv town. And tormented uber townie also.
You mean our Cop is uber townie? Wtf, why would you bother reading an unCCd blue role? Or did you miss that and that's why you killed Eden instead of Tormented?
And if you're going to tunnel on me, and you do flip town, I really hope you feel like shit for buying into the easy lynchbait and throwing the game when I flip town at lylo. Its already ridiculously obvious that scum is setting me up for the mislynch so I'll be alive until endgame. Yay me.
Fuck it, just lynch me today and save me the trouble of trying to save this stupid town. I have a case and don't even want to finish it anymore. Yamato thinks it could be me. Tronak thinks Onegu is scum but can't wait to see his case on me. Onegu is casing me. That leaves SL and Tormented.
If either one of you want to vote me, let me know and I'll drop my vote so I can go instead of Onegu. Then you tards can mislynch Onegu and throw the game.
Have fun. Later.
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Because this whole game has been full of replacements and people not wanting to play. Just waiting for flips and flinging scum left and right. I'm tired of being scummed and then let off. I dont even think I saw a full case or vote on me. Either shit or get off the damn pot but if not, stop making me defend myself and go find actual scum.
It's annoying and exactly what happened to me last game. I had to pull a case out of my ass because everyone including me was tunneled on a replacement mislynch and it just didn't feel right. Best part is, i nailed the last scum and town still lost.
Its happening again here and I just don't feel like putting in all that extra effort again so just lynch me. I've been playing too much mafia, I need a break.
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##unvote
Yay, doobie at work. Goodbye rage, hello scum, I'm coming for you. Disregard what I said about not wanting to put the extra effort in, I'd never forgive myself.
Welp, I think there's a shot Onegu is town and scum is setting up to mislynch Onegu and have me mislynched for the win.
Of course, this is all moot if Onegu is in fact scum but last time I was in this situation, it didn't play out that way so I'm assuming it'll go the same way here.
Case incoming.
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Yep I am. Cuz if you flip town, town is screwed, and I'm the only one seeing that possibility. Deja vu.
Ggs.
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On March 06 2015 09:33 Blazinghand wrote: The Shining has been warned for language/behavior. Please remember to treat this game and your fellow players respectfully and have fun!
Aye. I log you all and I'm sorry.
No, log does not = love but my typo made me lol so it stays.
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Fwiw, the case I hinted at is on Tronak.
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Yeah.
##Vote: Tronak
No way I'm getting my case out before EoD. I don't expect anyone to sheep me either. But I really don't think that Onegu case comes from scum. And he's got 4 votes without mine, I could hammer him to save myself but he seems about as worried as I do about being lynched. And I'm not worried at all lol lynching me helps town get rid of lylo lynchbait, since the two wagons are both town IMO.
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Tronak case.
D1 opening: Really odd. Introduces himself as a newbie which is okay but then offers up an agreement to scumProb's stance on RNG lynch. Normally, its okay to be against an RNG lynch but as he says himself, that debate was over. So all he is doing is echoing thread sentiment and parroting scumProbulous.
On February 24 2015 19:32 Tronak wrote:Hi all Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 09:25 Snarfs wrote:On February 24 2015 09:11 Probulous wrote:On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote: So, not recognizing the following names: … 5) Tronak … .. I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned. Check the Office Mini Mafia, some those guys (Sicklucker, Eden1892) were in that game (still ongoing). PM game but is recent. Okay, I see some other games with some of these other guys as well. And Tronak said already that it's his/her first mafia game ever so it looks like I'm covered in this regard, no need to continue down the rabbit hole. Is this the point where someone proposes an RNG lynch? You answered your self, I’m the newest newbie. Since its impossible for me to recognize ANY of the names I would have expected you would introduce yourself before asking about the new. Your opening contributed to light up the game since it was followed by almost everyone, however I found very few real usefull information in presentations, so I leave it here, presentations are finished now I guess. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 09:31 Probulous wrote:As for random lynch, over my dead body. We are statistically more likely to get town and more importantly it provides cover for scum to avoid scumhunting in Day 1. No point in wasting a whole day waiting for a lynch that gives us no information. Completly agree, but looks I am late again and this debate is over too. There are some interesting reads going on already, I keep reading posts and try to catch up to help with my thoughts.
Then he follows with a kind of list/summary post that scum usually like to hide behind. Pressure Snarfs for being a vet and suggesting RNG. Lightly pressures scumArtanis for his opening but wants to hear more from him. Fees that scumProbulous "won the mini battle" against townDamdred. And everyone not mentioned in this post is town, which is odd because later in his filter I'm null and I don't think SL had posted by this point either. There at least 1-2 scum on this list, according to Tronak, the newbie. Probulous and Artanis are in this list. This could be a very early way to set yourself up if bussing is necessary later in the game. Especially as Godfather, since you won't be a red check. However, even listing these 2 early as possible scum, he waffles over the Artanis vote on and off and stays off the Probulous vote for FF.
There is a lot more to this case but I figured getting something out before EoD might help town, in case votes swung my way while I posted this.
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On February 25 2015 21:09 Tronak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 16:47 Eden1892 wrote: tbh I could lynch yamato for a couple of reasons: (1) don't like a couple of his reads. I feel like he has no good reason to be keeping Artie in null and on further reflection, his Tormented and Kelsier suspicions seem too easy (2) it is really odd how he complains about the game direction while (a) having 3-4 townreads and a couple of scumreads who are viable d1 lynches, per his filter, and (b) how he's been one of the more active and involved posters in the thread. I'm not even sure I have as many reads as he does right now (though I could be wrong) and I think the thread direction is fine, as long as the rest of the turn isn't stagnant.
##UNVOTE ##VOTE: yamato77 I could jump in this train since Yamato is still suspicious for me. I was hoping Yamato to answer my "summary" post and later reminder. Not sure if he didnt answer because: a) my points could harm him b) my arguments are so "noob" that not worth answering me. However I want also to jump in Yamatos & Sicklucker train and lynch Kelsier for filling 3 pages of rubish in a thread that was taking a good direction (deeper analysis were going on). About this, Eden what made you abandon your line of scum arguments on Kelsier? Just his case on sicklucker? You considered Yamato a better target? or any other thing I cant arrive to see? Finally, trying to follow up a bit the points I opened yesterday here: Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 22:21 Tronak wrote: After re-reading all, Going to throw some open questions and my thinkings about them:
1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player? Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post.
2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given? Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is
-Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why? I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this.
3) Tormented throws his bomb list. Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose.
4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment.
5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post.
If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure!
Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way. - My initial opinions about Scarfs-Artanis and Yamatos openings were weak as those who have talked about this (Scarfs – Artanis and guess Kelsier in his way) pointed out. I had a fast look on other Mafia games and checked that is true that game openings are full of trollish bullshit (guess no news for the veterans, they were for me though). -Also going to stop, for now, my soft push on Artanis despite he also keeps being suspicious in my newbie thinking since although I can now understand his case on Tormented, I don't buy it. All accussations on Tormented seem weak to me so far, this is a feeling not something very rational. However, I can’t abandon the idea that Artanis may want us to follow a dead line just based on how well timed his case came into the thread. After putting all this toguether, it looks like nobody gonna follow my point and my potential vote on Artanis would be futile, so I decided I’ll gather more and better information in the future. -My actual thinking on other people mentioned in my post: (i) Probulous: a good but unsuccessfull case on Damdred which he abandons, and in general short townie looking good interventions. Can’t read on him. (ii) Damdred: I am know convinced by his own defense and most players opinion that he must be town. -And to add my fresh honest thinkings about the rest: (i) WaveShadow: cant read him other than town so far. (ii) Node: I read him town as explained in previous posts. Scarfs case on him didnt make me change my mind. (iii) Scarfs: null about him with big fear of losing what I find so far a very usefull player for my learning. (iv) The Shining: ( empty ) (v) Eden: I like how she pushes, should be town. (vi) sicklucker: cant read him properly, I think if he keeps being so selective in his appeareances he could enter in my suspicious list easyly. Conclusion: I will wait some more before voting for Yamato or Kelsier based on what others may bring on the table unless something really new appears that makes me change completly my mind.
A couple of things with this post. First off, its a change in tone and style compared to the rest of his filter. And, similar to how Onegu said I did this, Tronaks filter is full of posts where he calls himself newbie, noob, newb, constantly discounting his own opinion.
At this point, he's still scum reading Artanis but sees the mislynch in Wave picking up traction(there is a post in his filter where he tries to pressure Wave beforehand too) so he stops pushing Artie. He understands the Tormented case from Artie but doesn't buy it. But he can't explain why Artie targeting Tormented just doesn't feel right. If he's scum, I'd imagine it is hard to explain away why your scum partner is hard pushing a green. He also says Probulous is townie looking but can't read him.
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On March 07 2015 08:29 Tronak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 08:21 _Tormented_ wrote: If Onegu Conglomeration turns up town. Tomorrow it should be between Shining and Tronak. Btw it was you asking for a Conglomeration. I made best case I could. Shining what do you think of Onegus case on you?
Wasn't planning on defending it unless I was leading in votes. I'm more concerned with Tronak than saving myself.
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On March 07 2015 08:26 Tronak wrote: Again the lynch Tronak thinguie as Prob tried? ...
I at least put inputs behind my reasonings... and answer to anybodys questions.
Now we got Onegus hardly answering questions... SL ignoring everyone, Shining making no-case on me, god! 48h ago I had FF as my best scum read but at least he "plays".
Knowing shining gonna be on me, I would rather vote him tbh...
This post is pretty scummy. Not voting me because he believes the Onegu case(which he's attacking while saying I'm scummy?) But instead would vote me because I'm on him. Paranoid?
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Damn it, I really wanted to be lynched today. I even wasted my vote to make it possible.
Good news is, there's 6 of us. NK of either Yamato or Tormented. Tomorrow, I get mislynched, flip VT. Whoever doesn't die tonight dies for that NK. Your lylo is looking like Tronak, Sicklucker, Fecalfeast.
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On March 07 2015 09:00 Tronak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 08:57 The Shining wrote:On March 07 2015 08:26 Tronak wrote: Again the lynch Tronak thinguie as Prob tried? ...
I at least put inputs behind my reasonings... and answer to anybodys questions.
Now we got Onegus hardly answering questions... SL ignoring everyone, Shining making no-case on me, god! 48h ago I had FF as my best scum read but at least he "plays".
Knowing shining gonna be on me, I would rather vote him tbh... This post is pretty scummy. Not voting me because he believes the Onegu case(which he's attacking while saying I'm scummy?) But instead would vote me because I'm on him. Paranoid? Read my filter tbh. My main targets been for last days Kelser>SL=shining>FF. I havent got game solving.
I have. That's why I'm casing you. You have potentially scummed every single person in this game, while your town reads keep dying. The longer you go on, I believe less and less its town paranoia and more scum flinging scum in all directions.
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