EPTOn January 04 2015 02:21 Damdred wrote:
Ok back from taking the wife.
Ok back from taking the wife.
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I'm not willing to call him scum just yet.
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm not willing to call him scum just yet. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:06 marvellosity wrote: i'm coming round on you Robik. Why? | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:21 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, maybe I'm blind but I'm not seeing this. He is saying Vivax got a point, attacking VE for being "to hard" on Vivax and stuff like that but never actually saying that he thinks Vivax is town. If he thinks Vivax is town he is being very unclear about that. He hasn't said Vivax is town, but he clearly doesn't want to lynch him right now. In that sense, his stance is clear. | ||
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Also also hi Geript. (Votethread) | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:37 sicklucker wrote: Oh super started talking. So like super and ritoky both wasted their votes. In a two town race thats what mafia usually does. Also people who waste their votes are more likely mafia. Also there probably gonna bus each other now. What? If both Bats and Geript are town there's no reason for scum not to be on one of the wagons. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:42 sicklucker wrote: Artanis marv robik your all town stfu. Help me find zee scummy vets If you're looking for scummy vets why are you talking about superbia and ritoky? Also if you think we're all town then that doesn't leave many options. Depending on your definition of vet that'd include Palmar, Dr.H and JAT and I think the latter two are clearly town. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote: I disagree with this, even if hes poking at a universal town read thats stiill doing something, while the fighting isn't useful for town he is doing something even though he knows hes more than likely being lynched. I fully expect him to give a full list of reads at some point though. Sure, I think he misrepresents things on purpose to make people look worse, my earlier case I think still stands and he is overtly defensive whenever he gets attacked. Instead of giving reads on people and trying to poke and question them to figure them out he tunnels people when they start receiving attention. If you look at his filter it looks like the reason his main focus shifted to me was because Kel started in on me and called me scum and thats when the barrage really came full force. I really do not think hes scum hunting in this regard either, for example he posed a list of things i'm not doing and instead of showing how i'm not logically doing this he said go check my filter, and doing this he has painted me in a scummy light trying to influence people to read my filter in that way instead of showing it himself. Feels like he is trying to bias people in that sense. My earlier case still is their on him as well. I'm gonna have to read back on his opportunism then. I don't feel like he really tried to frame you because he's been asking other people on opinions and encouraging us to check for ourselves. Speaking of Kelsier though, where is he? He wanted me to be here and then he doesn't show up. I feel like I've been stood up to a date. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote: His eod vote. If gerits town robiks 100% town no reason to make that switch in a two town race bad players see that as scummy . Even if gerits not town its not that likely robik would throw in that preemptive vote to keep his partner from getting hammered because no one wanted to change at the time but it is possible just alot less likely. Robik can be confirmed with a gerit flip so we never kill robik before him anyway. Marv was the first to defend me so I give him mad town points hes been pretty useful regardless of his filter size. The one problem I have with him is I feel him and palmer are always mafia together and palmers looking like shit. Hmmm. It could be for exactly this argument, but you're right. If Geript is green that does help clear Robik a bit, but I wouldn't say he's confirmed town for it. I missed JAT in your town list though and he went above and beyond the call of duty by organizing a switch onto Bats. Do you also consider him cleared if Geript flips green? | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:06 sicklucker wrote: Well I dont think it clears jat actually. He could just be setting up the next mislynch so no. He honestly didnt give it much effort it was eden and others that lead bats to getting kill. He kind of just had a thowaway vote on bats seeing what sticks which makes him pretty scummy if gerit is. And the fact he doesint want to see a gerit flip What? JAT set up the lynch on Bats. JAT made it happen. JAT and no one else. He earned that townie lynch with blood, sweat and tears and he deserves the credit. | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:08 ritoky wrote: + Show Spoiler [words] + There's a lot of things really wrong with this defense of SL. 1) It is a post-flip justification not a pre-flip justification; there's a large difference there. He waited around until after people brought up points against him to lay out why he decided to vote swap. If he had been forthright then maybe this is a point, he wasn't so it is not. 2) Sheeping the people you read as town is something people do as either alignment particularly when all of them move. The 2nd part of this seems to imply that geript is mafia. If SL is mafia and both geript is town and bats was town, then it looks equally bad regardless of which you finally land on. However this looks really bad because of points I brought up earlier that I will reiterate in a moment. 3) Talk is cheap, post flip-excuses are easy to find. Votes and vote logic or lack thereof are definitive things, SL drastically lacked. This is a person who is SO adamant about his own reads. He spent an entire phase developing a scum read on geript and from everything I have read up until here that read has not evaporated in the slightest. Only to defer to SOMEONE ELSE'S read that is based on meta. Like I cannot get over this. Why would he as town, with the way I remember him playing town, switch from a non-meta read that he devoted effort into developing to someone else's meta read? It makes absolutely no sense, and he is mafia for it. Damn, you're right. Eden's defense makes no sense. Let's lynch hi- oh wait. | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote: Didn't you say Koshi was the most obvious medic save earlier? How is he a medic dodge now? This is actually a good point. | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: Ready for me to call you an idiot again? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/50OstzL.gif) | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:33 ritoky wrote: then tell me why SL is town. i have asked multiple times and no1 is giving a reason. I feel his reasoning has been dumb at some points and insightful at others. He seems to be trying to solve the game by poking and prodding places. I don't have a strong townread on him though. He sits at null for me which means there's plenty of better candidates. | ||
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