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On August 12 2014 22:32 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:18 batsnacks wrote:On August 12 2014 12:13 kushm4sta wrote:On August 12 2014 10:52 batsnacks wrote:
I think it's interesting that damdred and his buddy mages are scum reading each other. interesting in what way I think Damdred told his buddy about this awesome site for playing mafia called tl.net. And now someone who plays similarly to Damdred is playing with us; his name is mages. If this is true, isn't interesting that during their first game playing together here, that they would scum read each other? I would expect friends from another site to form some kind of initial camaraderie around each other in their first game together on this site. The fact that Damdred is so quick to scum read his buddy, indicates the seriousness of his conviction. [list][*]^When I asked this question, I was looking for reads on damdred or mages and he gave none. [*]His only read has been based on koc not consolidating. And he has kept to it despite it being really shallow [*]He has complained multiple times of being busy, yet he is actually tryharding more than most of his town games at this stage in terms of offering presentable content. ##unvote
##vote batsnacksi was here first, officially my wagon if he's scum. if he's not scum it can be onevone's wagon or something.
It's my wagon. Scum or not.
And all the stuff you say I said in my vote already.
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On August 12 2014 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 22:35 HaruRH wrote:On August 12 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 01:48 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sn0_Man could you also explain to me why you just said "it's more Koshi who is taking things out of proportion" but all of your post suggests otherwise. You don't like my points but Koshi has some sensible ideas.
How does that make sense? Koshi's push on the "avatar" bit see: On August 12 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:37 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:29 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am putting Mages to townpile aswell. By the way, it'd be more helpful if you also explained your reads while sharing them rather than just saying "X is town, Y is scum". I agree with rayn. It would be helpful if you could tell us why Mages his play is most likely coming from town. Why should rayn tell you the answers to the game? rayn is testing others if they pay attention. Why are you not paying attention? Spoilered because I am bored talking about this: + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2014 00:28 onevone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:02 Damdred wrote:On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:2) MysteryMeat1 Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now. ##Vote MysteryMeat1On August 11 2014 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
His first post was all "Man I'm so bad and I can already tell you that you won't want to listen to anything I say"
Obviously I'm paraphrasing. But that's the feels I got reading his post. It made my ass twitch. Ok I think I might of played to many IML games and i'm putting to much on where votes are right now. However if you don't think its scummy why even put it in your post that lead up to a vote? Dunno, I had just finished writing about Mages and moved on to MM1. Both had downplayed themselves, but MM1 also talked about Avatar, so I guess I just put it in there. Yeah you are scum. There is no reason for you to bring up again that somebody talked about Avatar in the 5 first posts of the game when everybody at that time was talking about Avatar. It is completely null that when there are people talking about watching Avatar, there is another guy who chimes in and says "I also watch avatar". There is no fucking way that you can add him talking about Avatar to something else and come to the conclusion he is scum or scummy. It's you who isn't paying attention, since I explained my town lean on Mages in one of my first posts + I've repeatedly said that the sentence about Avatar wasn't a reason for him being scum. Stop lieing. Here are your reads: On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
So, here are my brief observations from the early posts (any topics I took the effort to write down):
1) Mages
Started the game by downplaying himself, which might be new/nervous town or scummy avoiding of attention. Continued to express his thoughts after that, which makes me lean town, especially since he wasn't just following the flow of the thread but rather tried to bring his own thoughts to the discussion. Especially as a new scum player it would be somewhat hard/risky to post like that.
2) MysteryMeat1
Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.
The bolded is for both people the same. They downplay their game. BUT, the green stuff makes Mages a townread for you. While the red stuff made MM1 a scumread for you. Clearly Avatar talk made MM1 more scummy to you. If you say that it never did, I am just calling scumhunting for this day and make sure you are lynched. Maybe you were an overzealous townie, maybe, but don't tell me you weren't scumreading MM1 partly because he talked about Avatar. Because you did. To me, its obvious here that what made MM1 1v1's vote candidate was his response to VE's pressure and the Kush/VE votes indicating that others agreed with him. Which really isn't a town mindset but is also not what Koshi was trying to push on him. Which is why I felt like you two weren't necessarily pushing on the right axis and it made it hard to read. Hence, On August 12 2014 00:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't read that post the same way koshi I do think attacking same easy targets other people attack is scummy. I mean, townies do that aswell. But the whole construction of the post does not say anything - all it does is it gives onevone all sorts of outs to back off from his reads later on. I had a feeling you were referring to batsnacks when you said this btw, on how he is just repeatedly attacking kotc when everyone have already pointed that shit out. Okay Haru is mafia because this does not make any sense at all. Noone is stupid enough to not see i am talking about - and ONLY about - 1v1 here. No chance.
He just changed his story.
meh, I am not a fan of HaruRh but less a fan of batsnacks.
In some Universe I can see HaruRH being town and playing exactly like this.
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On August 12 2014 22:48 HaruRH wrote:BRB give me 20 minutes to redo my drawing, I think I might have confused myself here. Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 22:35 HaruRH wrote:On August 12 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 01:48 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sn0_Man could you also explain to me why you just said "it's more Koshi who is taking things out of proportion" but all of your post suggests otherwise. You don't like my points but Koshi has some sensible ideas.
How does that make sense? Koshi's push on the "avatar" bit see: On August 12 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:37 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:29 onevone wrote:
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By the way, it'd be more helpful if you also explained your reads while sharing them rather than just saying "X is town, Y is scum". I agree with rayn. It would be helpful if you could tell us why Mages his play is most likely coming from town. Why should rayn tell you the answers to the game? rayn is testing others if they pay attention. Why are you not paying attention? Spoilered because I am bored talking about this: + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2014 00:28 onevone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:02 Damdred wrote:On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:2) MysteryMeat1 Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now. ##Vote MysteryMeat1On August 11 2014 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
His first post was all "Man I'm so bad and I can already tell you that you won't want to listen to anything I say"
Obviously I'm paraphrasing. But that's the feels I got reading his post. It made my ass twitch. Ok I think I might of played to many IML games and i'm putting to much on where votes are right now. However if you don't think its scummy why even put it in your post that lead up to a vote? Dunno, I had just finished writing about Mages and moved on to MM1. Both had downplayed themselves, but MM1 also talked about Avatar, so I guess I just put it in there. Yeah you are scum. There is no reason for you to bring up again that somebody talked about Avatar in the 5 first posts of the game when everybody at that time was talking about Avatar. It is completely null that when there are people talking about watching Avatar, there is another guy who chimes in and says "I also watch avatar". There is no fucking way that you can add him talking about Avatar to something else and come to the conclusion he is scum or scummy. It's you who isn't paying attention, since I explained my town lean on Mages in one of my first posts + I've repeatedly said that the sentence about Avatar wasn't a reason for him being scum. Stop lieing. Here are your reads: On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
So, here are my brief observations from the early posts (any topics I took the effort to write down):
1) Mages
Started the game by downplaying himself, which might be new/nervous town or scummy avoiding of attention. Continued to express his thoughts after that, which makes me lean town, especially since he wasn't just following the flow of the thread but rather tried to bring his own thoughts to the discussion. Especially as a new scum player it would be somewhat hard/risky to post like that.
2) MysteryMeat1
Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.
The bolded is for both people the same. They downplay their game. BUT, the green stuff makes Mages a townread for you. While the red stuff made MM1 a scumread for you. Clearly Avatar talk made MM1 more scummy to you. If you say that it never did, I am just calling scumhunting for this day and make sure you are lynched. Maybe you were an overzealous townie, maybe, but don't tell me you weren't scumreading MM1 partly because he talked about Avatar. Because you did. To me, its obvious here that what made MM1 1v1's vote candidate was his response to VE's pressure and the Kush/VE votes indicating that others agreed with him. Which really isn't a town mindset but is also not what Koshi was trying to push on him. Which is why I felt like you two weren't necessarily pushing on the right axis and it made it hard to read. Hence, On August 12 2014 00:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't read that post the same way koshi I do think attacking same easy targets other people attack is scummy. I mean, townies do that aswell. But the whole construction of the post does not say anything - all it does is it gives onevone all sorts of outs to back off from his reads later on. I had a feeling you were referring to batsnacks when you said this btw, on how he is just repeatedly attacking kotc when everyone have already pointed that shit out. Okay Haru is mafia because this does not make any sense at all. Noone is stupid enough to not see i am talking about - and ONLY about - 1v1 here. No chance. He just changed his story. meh, I am not a fan of HaruRh but less a fan of batsnacks. In some Universe I can see HaruRH being town and playing exactly like this. In the universe where Haru actually wants to play d1 and not be a lynch target for ALL GAMES because he cant give reads d1
hmm? Aren't you the guy saying that he is unlynchable after D1 because you always look insanely town?
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On August 12 2014 22:50 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 22:50 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 22:48 HaruRH wrote:BRB give me 20 minutes to redo my drawing, I think I might have confused myself here. On August 12 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 22:35 HaruRH wrote:On August 12 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 01:48 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sn0_Man could you also explain to me why you just said "it's more Koshi who is taking things out of proportion" but all of your post suggests otherwise. You don't like my points but Koshi has some sensible ideas.
How does that make sense? Koshi's push on the "avatar" bit see: On August 12 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:37 onevone wrote:
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It's you who isn't paying attention, since I explained my town lean on Mages in one of my first posts + I've repeatedly said that the sentence about Avatar wasn't a reason for him being scum. Stop lieing. Here are your reads: On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
So, here are my brief observations from the early posts (any topics I took the effort to write down):
1) Mages
Started the game by downplaying himself, which might be new/nervous town or scummy avoiding of attention. Continued to express his thoughts after that, which makes me lean town, especially since he wasn't just following the flow of the thread but rather tried to bring his own thoughts to the discussion. Especially as a new scum player it would be somewhat hard/risky to post like that.
2) MysteryMeat1
Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.
The bolded is for both people the same. They downplay their game. BUT, the green stuff makes Mages a townread for you. While the red stuff made MM1 a scumread for you. Clearly Avatar talk made MM1 more scummy to you. If you say that it never did, I am just calling scumhunting for this day and make sure you are lynched. Maybe you were an overzealous townie, maybe, but don't tell me you weren't scumreading MM1 partly because he talked about Avatar. Because you did. To me, its obvious here that what made MM1 1v1's vote candidate was his response to VE's pressure and the Kush/VE votes indicating that others agreed with him. Which really isn't a town mindset but is also not what Koshi was trying to push on him. Which is why I felt like you two weren't necessarily pushing on the right axis and it made it hard to read. Hence, On August 12 2014 00:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't read that post the same way koshi I do think attacking same easy targets other people attack is scummy. I mean, townies do that aswell. But the whole construction of the post does not say anything - all it does is it gives onevone all sorts of outs to back off from his reads later on. I had a feeling you were referring to batsnacks when you said this btw, on how he is just repeatedly attacking kotc when everyone have already pointed that shit out. Okay Haru is mafia because this does not make any sense at all. Noone is stupid enough to not see i am talking about - and ONLY about - 1v1 here. No chance. He just changed his story. meh, I am not a fan of HaruRh but less a fan of batsnacks. In some Universe I can see HaruRH being town and playing exactly like this. In the universe where Haru actually wants to play d1 and not be a lynch target for ALL GAMES because he cant give reads d1 hmm? Aren't you the guy saying that he is unlynchable after D1 because you always look insanely town? Who?
On July 28 2014 02:02 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2014 02:00 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2014 01:56 HaruRH wrote:
BTW,:
"I kinda knew I was going to get shot when I accidentally end up in so many people's townlist. My d1 play usually revolves around me being in half of people's scumlist and half in town to secure my safety in n1.
Also, my 100% townread of teemu comes from the fact that when teemu and I were scum, he told me that he how he soft copclaims (working in a police office lul) so I would presume he is trying to tell me that he is the same alignment as me this game, as this crap won't work if he is scum and I am town last game. "
To answer vivax's question too. You should always aim to be townread. If you take a bullet that is great (ok, if you are blue not THAT great but still...). Don't act scummy on purpose as town. It's just how I choose to play  It's because I don't have limits when I try to gain towncreds, 99.999% of the time ill end up in everyone's town list and die n1 (like marv/plammar). So I chose to try and survive till d2 since my d2 is arguably my best part of the game.
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On August 12 2014 22:56 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 22:55 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 22:50 HaruRH wrote:On August 12 2014 22:50 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 22:48 HaruRH wrote:BRB give me 20 minutes to redo my drawing, I think I might have confused myself here. On August 12 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 22:35 HaruRH wrote:On August 12 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 01:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
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Koshi's push on the "avatar" bit see:
[quote] To me, its obvious here that what made MM1 1v1's vote candidate was his response to VE's pressure and the Kush/VE votes indicating that others agreed with him. Which really isn't a town mindset but is also not what Koshi was trying to push on him. Which is why I felt like you two weren't necessarily pushing on the right axis and it made it hard to read.
Hence,
[quote] I do think attacking same easy targets other people attack is scummy. I mean, townies do that aswell. But the whole construction of the post does not say anything - all it does is it gives onevone all sorts of outs to back off from his reads later on. I had a feeling you were referring to batsnacks when you said this btw, on how he is just repeatedly attacking kotc when everyone have already pointed that shit out. Okay Haru is mafia because this does not make any sense at all. Noone is stupid enough to not see i am talking about - and ONLY about - 1v1 here. No chance. He just changed his story. meh, I am not a fan of HaruRh but less a fan of batsnacks. In some Universe I can see HaruRH being town and playing exactly like this. In the universe where Haru actually wants to play d1 and not be a lynch target for ALL GAMES because he cant give reads d1 hmm? Aren't you the guy saying that he is unlynchable after D1 because you always look insanely town? Who? On July 28 2014 02:02 HaruRH wrote:On July 28 2014 02:00 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2014 01:56 HaruRH wrote:
BTW,:
"I kinda knew I was going to get shot when I accidentally end up in so many people's townlist. My d1 play usually revolves around me being in half of people's scumlist and half in town to secure my safety in n1.
Also, my 100% townread of teemu comes from the fact that when teemu and I were scum, he told me that he how he soft copclaims (working in a police office lul) so I would presume he is trying to tell me that he is the same alignment as me this game, as this crap won't work if he is scum and I am town last game. "
To answer vivax's question too. You should always aim to be townread. If you take a bullet that is great (ok, if you are blue not THAT great but still...). Don't act scummy on purpose as town. It's just how I choose to play It's because I don't have limits when I try to gain towncreds, 99.999% of the time ill end up in everyone's town list and die n1 (like marv/plammar). So I chose to try and survive till d2 since my d2 is arguably my best part of the game. Yea, and my name appears in all votelists in games I play for d1 btw. I still stand by my view that my d2 is my favourite part of the game, where I start figuring things out BUT NOT D1 GOD DAMMIT
No worries. You shall be spared D1.
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On August 12 2014 23:13 HaruRH wrote:
Meanwhile, ill just throw my vote with 1v1.
##Unvote
##Vote: Onevone
It's majority lynch. Are you planning to convince 6 other to vote with you?
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On August 12 2014 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys. Can we lynch one of the hard lurkers now? I'm okay with batsnacks maybe. Or possibly Onegu. Haru just said I'm inconsistent and that can die in a fire. WHICH WAY IS THE WIND BLOWING GUYS?!?
In this post it looks like VE is reading the thread and not reading the thread at the same time.
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It bothers me you are so silent about batsnacks.
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On August 12 2014 23:38 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys. Can we lynch one of the hard lurkers now? I'm okay with batsnacks maybe. Or possibly Onegu. Haru just said I'm inconsistent and that can die in a fire. WHICH WAY IS THE WIND BLOWING GUYS?!? In this post, I'm explicitly not silent about batsnacks.
Wasn't talking to you. You are silent about everything that isn't MM1.
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On August 12 2014 23:42 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 23:20 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 23:13 HaruRH wrote:
Meanwhile, ill just throw my vote with 1v1.
##Unvote
##Vote: Onevone It's majority lynch. Are you planning to convince 6 other to vote with you? Not possible, I am going to sleep now <3 its way past my allocated bedtime, now I have less than 7 hours of sleep 
Then vote batsnacks. If you won't I will really consider changing votes to you.
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On August 12 2014 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 23:36 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 23:24 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 23:19 Onegu wrote:
You make sense to me rayn <3 Yeah i also make sense to marv. That's about it. ^^ You made sense to me at some point, but less so in later games. Granted you've also rolled scum a lot. I've been awesome in my later town games. I even got lynched once because i was so awesome. Just trust me. Haru is scum. Hahaha btw i really did. all the TL ppl did lynch me on another forum (Palmar, Koshi and Robik) as i told them how many mafia are left in a no-flip game and then told them who are the last mafia. Then i afked for the weekend. Apparently i climed someone's role (when i in fact claimed scum and all other shit). It was kinda funny <3
I didn't lynch you. I didn't vote.
I killed the guy who all your lynchers townreaded.
Then we won the game.
I take all credit.
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On August 13 2014 00:02 Onegu wrote:
Somehow I feel half the thread isn't even reading.
Only the scummers and baddies.
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On August 13 2014 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yo you dudes should vote for haru in case you are town. he's been caught and afk'd.
I want to give him another day. I can see him being town.
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On August 13 2014 00:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
Koshi how come errything ur doing feels slimy this game?
Don't know. Don't care.
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On August 13 2014 00:15 onevone wrote:
It's also mildly disturbing that your filter is so much smaller than mine even though you're usually more active than me.
Yes. I was also surprised I only had 3 pages. It is a turn for the better, because I would like to eventually go to a 2 page filter D1. But still. I was surprised.
Still. I am town. Quite obviously so I would like to say. But w.e
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ahh rayn. Yeah, but it is not that alignment indicative.
All people who say they can read rayn base it on the fact that his arguments are better and of higher quality when he is town compared to when he is scum.
I share your restriction to call him town. The thing he did with putting Onegu on the spot to call him town is something Robik reads rayn scum for iirc.
But in the end I want to lynch into other people before rayn. rayn should be like auto D3 lynch.
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*yawn*
My lynch is batsnacks.
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Rayn being bm is boring. He gives 0 reasoning but expects everybody to follow him.
Bat is scummy.
Meta ( see previous post + kush point on hardtry)
Scum traits like irl activity issues. (Next week kids school)
1 page filter. (Is just really low no matter how much time you have)
Connections to KoC only who he is pushing. Filter reveals nothing.
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On August 13 2014 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 01:11 Onegu wrote:
Rayn what are your thoughts on damdred.
He isnt looking to good to me. Is interaction with mages was like oh you call me scum right back at ya.
And he really wanted to protect bats Mages is more likely to be mafia. Vote for Haru please if you are not atm.
Why is batsnacks town?
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On August 13 2014 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 01:42 Koshi wrote:On August 13 2014 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2014 01:11 Onegu wrote:
Rayn what are your thoughts on damdred.
He isnt looking to good to me. Is interaction with mages was like oh you call me scum right back at ya.
And he really wanted to protect bats Mages is more likely to be mafia. Vote for Haru please if you are not atm. Why is batsnacks town? Because there is seven people voting for him and noone has given any legit reasoning for the vote.
I just gave 4. Kush gave some.
Your sole reasoning for voting HaruRH is "he made a mistake and it was because he is scum".
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