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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 23 2014 20:55 GMT
#861
i dind't say rayn was mafia i just wrote it in my stupid list.
and i changed my mind
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 23 2014 20:57 GMT
#862
On July 24 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote:
i dind't say rayn was mafia i just wrote it in my stupid list.
and i changed my mind

Ok.

I'm off to bed.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 23 2014 20:59 GMT
#863
On July 24 2014 05:54 Teemursu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 24 2014 05:46 Teemursu wrote:
On July 24 2014 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alright that sounds fucking dumb.
lemme try again.
i think your case on teemu is much stronger than your case on bats, so i can't understand why your vote is where it is atm. and i can't understand why YOU think your vote is better placed on bats than on teemu.

What does this matter?

I don't believe you are asking this...
People vote for their top scumread, at least until EOD (consolidation).
I feel like Shoppinglist is having you as more scummy as he does have batsnacks.
therefore he should be pushing you and not him right?

I'm not telling him who he should be pushing on, that's his own choice. Liszt's case on me earlier was bad. Chopin's case on me is meh, I don't really see either one of them being stronger than the other.

Kush, did you say you think Rayn is mafia? Could you explain why?

Like what the fuck man?
Can you answer me? I asked you a question and you give me a "could be maybe not" answer.
Answer the question; do you think it's scummy or not he is not pushing you as per what i said?
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Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 23 2014 21:00 GMT
#864
On July 24 2014 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 05:54 Teemursu wrote:
On July 24 2014 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 24 2014 05:46 Teemursu wrote:
On July 24 2014 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alright that sounds fucking dumb.
lemme try again.
i think your case on teemu is much stronger than your case on bats, so i can't understand why your vote is where it is atm. and i can't understand why YOU think your vote is better placed on bats than on teemu.

What does this matter?

I don't believe you are asking this...
People vote for their top scumread, at least until EOD (consolidation).
I feel like Shoppinglist is having you as more scummy as he does have batsnacks.
therefore he should be pushing you and not him right?

I'm not telling him who he should be pushing on, that's his own choice. Liszt's case on me earlier was bad. Chopin's case on me is meh, I don't really see either one of them being stronger than the other.

Kush, did you say you think Rayn is mafia? Could you explain why?

Like what the fuck man?
Can you answer me? I asked you a question and you give me a "could be maybe not" answer.
Answer the question; do you think it's scummy or not he is not pushing you as per what i said?

I thought I implied that I don't think it's scummy when I said that it's his own choice as to who he wants to pressure.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 23 2014 21:02 GMT
#865
that's not an answer to what i asked.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 23 2014 21:03 GMT
#866
hint: correct answer is yes/no
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Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 23 2014 21:09 GMT
#867
No, I don't think it's scummy.

This is all assuming that a) he actually does think I'm scummier than bat (not you thinking that) or b) I'm his strongest scum read.

I could see what you mean if b) was the case but other than that this whole thing feels meaningless to me.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 23 2014 21:11 GMT
#868
so you do not actually try to figure out why people post what they do?
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Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 23 2014 21:12 GMT
#869
He didn't even call me mafia, he just said there were things about my play that he didn't like. I'm sure if he'd strongly think I'm mafia, he'd express it more bluntly.

Chopin, who do you think is mafia besides bat?

I'll read your answer in the morning, off to bed now for realsies.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 23 2014 21:13 GMT
#870
like if someone says:
"this guy is scum. idk why really, but i feel like it. gut read mostly, so kill him. [vote]

but also there is this other guy, here is X Y Z reasons why he is mafia and i definitely fell like he'll flip scum [no action]"

you just go, "awww.. makes sense yobro" ???
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 22:00 GMT
#871
rayn, so you think ObiWan is scum? Have you played with him before?

I dunno about his meta, but he doesn't feel like he's afraid of getting attention at all. He's also posted quite a bit so far. It's more indicative of town to me.

He's showed reluctance to take stances, but it could just be genuinely not having many strong opinions.

Is there something else on him besides the wishy-washiness?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 23 2014 22:02 GMT
#872
On July 24 2014 04:51 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, what are your reads on person X.

X = not Obi, not Xata.

I just went through your filter and I'm getting a stomach ache.

The only game I've played was mafia with you and my gut feel is that you sound similar to that time. A little bit.

Hahaha
I can say with more than 50% certainty that glowingbear is town. He does all his towntells (pushing people that are hard to push, posting long posts full of content etc) and from my experience, town.

Teemu, not so. You're doing what you did in newbie mafia
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 23 2014 22:06 GMT
#873
So I saw Vivax unvoted me and didn't vote for the other guy he thought was scum. He said it was either me or the other guy.

##unvote
##vote: Vivax
I had a good night of sleep.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 23 2014 22:07 GMT
#874
On July 24 2014 07:00 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, so you think ObiWan is scum? Have you played with him before?

I dunno about his meta, but he doesn't feel like he's afraid of getting attention at all. He's also posted quite a bit so far. It's more indicative of town to me.

He's showed reluctance to take stances, but it could just be genuinely not having many strong opinions.

Is there something else on him besides the wishy-washiness?

- I ain't afraid to get attention as scum
- I post alot as scum
- I take stances reluctantly because it seems scummy to be hard pushing
- it could also be that he knows we are all town

It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 23 2014 22:12 GMT
#875
On July 24 2014 07:00 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, so you think ObiWan is scum? Have you played with him before?

I dunno about his meta, but he doesn't feel like he's afraid of getting attention at all. He's also posted quite a bit so far. It's more indicative of town to me.

He's showed reluctance to take stances, but it could just be genuinely not having many strong opinions.

Is there something else on him besides the wishy-washiness?


what indicates that he's not afraid of attention? attention has been put on him but I don't think he meant to ask for it.

he is doing a too scummy to be scum thing. something I haven't seen him do as town, but I have seen him do it as scum in palmar's shitty game. So if that's what you mean by not afraid of attention, then you're wrong.

He has not posted a lot on his own initiative. Rather most of his posts are WHY AM I SCUMMY! FUCK YOU GUYS FOR THINKING IM SCUMMY, etc
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 23 2014 22:16 GMT
#876
On July 24 2014 07:00 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, so you think ObiWan is scum? Have you played with him before?

I dunno about his meta, but he doesn't feel like he's afraid of getting attention at all. He's also posted quite a bit so far. It's more indicative of town to me.

He's showed reluctance to take stances, but it could just be genuinely not having many strong opinions.

Is there something else on him besides the wishy-washiness?

yes i think he might be scum for what i said. You know i say stuff when i have something to say.
there is nothing else i have said and yes, i have played with him before. i have also coached him as you might realize if you read the thread.
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Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 22:29 GMT
#877
Okay so I'm back and I've looked at a few filters. First off ##Unvote kushm4sta I still think kush's early stuff looks off but nothing since has popped out to me and the vote didn't gain any traction.

On other people: Vivax looks a lot better to me, messing around with a different way to start the game isn't really alignment indicative and he has pushed reads aggressively since then.

Koshi in that exchange is kind of a mixed bag for me. Of course I was relieved to have someone pointing out that I was posting pretty clear reads on who I thought was scum, but vivax does notice something weird. Koshi saying at the time of my shitty post I was posting really well doesn't look totally true, after that I had clearer reads and better posts. On the other hand the way he was talking easily could have just been him thinking generally about the posts I had been making which I think he does accurately categorize as pretty clear and unambiguous reads. I definitely don't think Koshi should be the D1 lynch right now but I don't have a strong town read on him. On the other hand I do have a couple scum reads...
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 22:29 GMT
#878
Obi looks terrible to me. My original post stands that he wasn't contributing and just sheeped a vote without much new justification. Since then he has posted fluff, defended himself if attacks on him came up, chatted a bit with rayne, and asked vivax one question. His one read seems to be "kush/Navi/someone between Vivax and Koshi." So "defending himself/bandwagon/one of the two people on opposite sides of the biggest argument at the time" Nothing particularly original or scumhunty coming out of that. For all that I think Obi would be an excellent lynch right now.

But I'm in a bit of a pickle because I also really think xata looks super-scum. Look at his filter. So far he's gone back and discussed his list post and the surrounding conversation a bit, which is fine but there was much more recent stuff to discuss that he didn't talk about. He also hasn't pushed a read at all except to sheep. Looking at the votes on me palmar started it then was followed by in no particular order chopin, vivax, xatalos, and rayne. Right now vivax and rayne look fine to me, I haven't read through chopin's stuff yet, but of those xata definitely comes off the worse. He votes me, switches of me, then switches back all without much discussion of why or how much he thinks I'm scummy. He soft defends a number of people without making any aggressive reads, here's an example:

On July 24 2014 01:07 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 24 2014 00:47 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 24 2014 00:15 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alsoalsoalso, why didnät you call out those bad cases on you? you should have been the first one to realize they are shit.


I think I did mention that it's stupid to call me "infinitely scummy" for a single listpost, but overall I don't feel like it's inherently scummy to make bad cases. It's D1 after all, good cases are rare.

no it's not scummy to make bad cases. that's not what i am suggesting. did you even read my post and what it was referring to? i am not calling anyone mafia for making bad cases.

damdred made a posts that really said nothing. he didn't follow that up in any way - even when there were questions which you didn't even answer.

Cava called damdred town for that post, then he called you not necessarily scum. first of all that post was not good, second, he cannot give damdred a town read if he does not think you are scummy. because he didn't call the case bad. you either agree with a case or not, he didn't do either but STILL the post was somehow good. like, he semi-agreed with it without saying so. wishy-washy as fuck.

Haru called you out for buddying after those two guys. Buddying is not scummy unless you explain why. Stupid as fuck.

Teemu called you scummy for who knows why.

Now why didn't YOU call these people out for those things? Like do you want people just attack you for dumb shit and do nothing about it? Or scared of saying something that is ACTUALLY scummy? idk.. i just can't see why you would like to have bad cases on you running around without cutting them out straight up.


I'm not really worried about being lynched and I know my own alignment, so it's kind of nice to have initial suspicions on me to see how they develop / how other players react. At least it's better than everyone sheeping to some lurker. Plus there isn't really much to say about those posts you mentioned. They're either weak suspicions or not even real suspicions at all.

Damdred's post has probably been the most useless one, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum among this group.

Exactly who and why?


Probably not Teemursu. He's been pretty involved and expressed clear opinions so far. It's not like he's even having me as a strong scumread, just a FOS or something, which doesn't seem that unreasonable.

Damdred is potential scum. Seems like he's mostly been trying to stay under the radar and he's pretty cautious / passive.

Dunno about Haru atm. Null. His reasons for suspecting me are kind of dumb, but not totally outrageous when there's little to work with during D1. TBD.

ObiWan and batsnacks didn't really give much of an opinion on me and just townread Damdred. Kind of weird, I guess... There could be scum among these two. ObiWan felt somewhat townish earlier though.


Here he talks about "potential scum" and how between two people they are "kind of weird," "could be scum among these two," but "ObiWan felt somewhat townish" these are some of the weakest statements you can make. Later he seems to kind of get confident in GB being scum:
On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started.

Only to almost instantly go back on it and totally nullify his read:
On July 24 2014 03:01 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let's lynch all the people who said VA is Xatalos' scumread?
jjust because that was so bad.

Palmar you in?


LOL

Anyways... Ok, GB's push isn't really scummy. Still based on weak reasons, but it could as well be coming from town. I guess I've just been having a hard time believing that I'd make a townie that confident in myself being scum.


There's more but even this shows how uncommiting xata is. I'd be happy to lynch obi and happy to lynch him. ##Vote: Xatalos
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 23 2014 22:33 GMT
#879
navillus you posted "I definitely don't think Koshi should be the D1 lynch right now but I don't have a strong town read on him." and then you posted a couple of more scumreads that were more scummy at the same minute.... you even voted for someone else.

why?
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Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 22:33 GMT
#880
Oh also there's a ton of lurking going on. I basically can't get a read on Damdred/batsnacks/Palmer/VA because none of them are gracing us with their presence. There really is no reason town should be posting so few reads/thoughts so all of them look bad right now. To all of them, if you are town please post more, if there's only one or two people lurking it's easier to pressure them into talking about stuff because their lurking stands out more.
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