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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 24 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote: i dind't say rayn was mafia i just wrote it in my stupid list. and i changed my mind Ok. I'm off to bed. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 24 2014 05:54 Teemursu wrote: I'm not telling him who he should be pushing on, that's his own choice. Liszt's case on me earlier was bad. Chopin's case on me is meh, I don't really see either one of them being stronger than the other. Kush, did you say you think Rayn is mafia? Could you explain why? Like what the fuck man? Can you answer me? I asked you a question and you give me a "could be maybe not" answer. Answer the question; do you think it's scummy or not he is not pushing you as per what i said? | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 24 2014 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like what the fuck man? Can you answer me? I asked you a question and you give me a "could be maybe not" answer. Answer the question; do you think it's scummy or not he is not pushing you as per what i said? I thought I implied that I don't think it's scummy when I said that it's his own choice as to who he wants to pressure. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
This is all assuming that a) he actually does think I'm scummier than bat (not you thinking that) or b) I'm his strongest scum read. I could see what you mean if b) was the case but other than that this whole thing feels meaningless to me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
 Chopin, who do you think is mafia besides bat? I'll read your answer in the morning, off to bed now for realsies. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
"this guy is scum. idk why really, but i feel like it. gut read mostly, so kill him. [vote] but also there is this other guy, here is X Y Z reasons why he is mafia and i definitely fell like he'll flip scum [no action]" you just go, "awww.. makes sense yobro" ??? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
I dunno about his meta, but he doesn't feel like he's afraid of getting attention at all. He's also posted quite a bit so far. It's more indicative of town to me. He's showed reluctance to take stances, but it could just be genuinely not having many strong opinions. Is there something else on him besides the wishy-washiness? | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On July 24 2014 04:51 Teemursu wrote: Haru, what are your reads on person X. X = not Obi, not Xata. I just went through your filter and I'm getting a stomach ache. The only game I've played was mafia with you and my gut feel is that you sound similar to that time. A little bit. Hahaha I can say with more than 50% certainty that glowingbear is town. He does all his towntells (pushing people that are hard to push, posting long posts full of content etc) and from my experience, town. Teemu, not so. You're doing what you did in newbie mafia | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
##unvote ##vote: Vivax | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On July 24 2014 07:00 Xatalos wrote: rayn, so you think ObiWan is scum? Have you played with him before? I dunno about his meta, but he doesn't feel like he's afraid of getting attention at all. He's also posted quite a bit so far. It's more indicative of town to me. He's showed reluctance to take stances, but it could just be genuinely not having many strong opinions. Is there something else on him besides the wishy-washiness? - I ain't afraid to get attention as scum - I post alot as scum - I take stances reluctantly because it seems scummy to be hard pushing - it could also be that he knows we are all town | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On July 24 2014 07:00 Xatalos wrote: rayn, so you think ObiWan is scum? Have you played with him before? I dunno about his meta, but he doesn't feel like he's afraid of getting attention at all. He's also posted quite a bit so far. It's more indicative of town to me. He's showed reluctance to take stances, but it could just be genuinely not having many strong opinions. Is there something else on him besides the wishy-washiness? what indicates that he's not afraid of attention? attention has been put on him but I don't think he meant to ask for it. he is doing a too scummy to be scum thing. something I haven't seen him do as town, but I have seen him do it as scum in palmar's shitty game. So if that's what you mean by not afraid of attention, then you're wrong. He has not posted a lot on his own initiative. Rather most of his posts are WHY AM I SCUMMY! FUCK YOU GUYS FOR THINKING IM SCUMMY, etc | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 24 2014 07:00 Xatalos wrote: rayn, so you think ObiWan is scum? Have you played with him before? I dunno about his meta, but he doesn't feel like he's afraid of getting attention at all. He's also posted quite a bit so far. It's more indicative of town to me. He's showed reluctance to take stances, but it could just be genuinely not having many strong opinions. Is there something else on him besides the wishy-washiness? yes i think he might be scum for what i said. You know i say stuff when i have something to say. there is nothing else i have said and yes, i have played with him before. i have also coached him as you might realize if you read the thread. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On other people: Vivax looks a lot better to me, messing around with a different way to start the game isn't really alignment indicative and he has pushed reads aggressively since then. Koshi in that exchange is kind of a mixed bag for me. Of course I was relieved to have someone pointing out that I was posting pretty clear reads on who I thought was scum, but vivax does notice something weird. Koshi saying at the time of my shitty post I was posting really well doesn't look totally true, after that I had clearer reads and better posts. On the other hand the way he was talking easily could have just been him thinking generally about the posts I had been making which I think he does accurately categorize as pretty clear and unambiguous reads. I definitely don't think Koshi should be the D1 lynch right now but I don't have a strong town read on him. On the other hand I do have a couple scum reads... | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
But I'm in a bit of a pickle because I also really think xata looks super-scum. Look at his filter. So far he's gone back and discussed his list post and the surrounding conversation a bit, which is fine but there was much more recent stuff to discuss that he didn't talk about. He also hasn't pushed a read at all except to sheep. Looking at the votes on me palmar started it then was followed by in no particular order chopin, vivax, xatalos, and rayne. Right now vivax and rayne look fine to me, I haven't read through chopin's stuff yet, but of those xata definitely comes off the worse. He votes me, switches of me, then switches back all without much discussion of why or how much he thinks I'm scummy. He soft defends a number of people without making any aggressive reads, here's an example: On July 24 2014 01:07 Xatalos wrote: Probably not Teemursu. He's been pretty involved and expressed clear opinions so far. It's not like he's even having me as a strong scumread, just a FOS or something, which doesn't seem that unreasonable. Damdred is potential scum. Seems like he's mostly been trying to stay under the radar and he's pretty cautious / passive. Dunno about Haru atm. Null. His reasons for suspecting me are kind of dumb, but not totally outrageous when there's little to work with during D1. TBD. ObiWan and batsnacks didn't really give much of an opinion on me and just townread Damdred. Kind of weird, I guess... There could be scum among these two. ObiWan felt somewhat townish earlier though. Here he talks about "potential scum" and how between two people they are "kind of weird," "could be scum among these two," but "ObiWan felt somewhat townish" these are some of the weakest statements you can make. Later he seems to kind of get confident in GB being scum: On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote: GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started. Only to almost instantly go back on it and totally nullify his read: On July 24 2014 03:01 Xatalos wrote: LOL Anyways... Ok, GB's push isn't really scummy. Still based on weak reasons, but it could as well be coming from town. I guess I've just been having a hard time believing that I'd make a townie that confident in myself being scum. There's more but even this shows how uncommiting xata is. I'd be happy to lynch obi and happy to lynch him. ##Vote: Xatalos | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
why? | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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