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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 09:48 GMT
#402
Navillus could be scum. Reasonably likely is. His posts are pretty inconclusive and weak despite having a lot of text. Leaving a lot of options open for future actions.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 09:49 GMT
#403
On July 23 2014 18:45 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 18:36 HaruRH wrote:
On July 23 2014 18:32 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 23 2014 18:22 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 18:04 Palmar wrote:
Kosher might be mafia for not instasheeping my case

Koshi flies solo this game.

On July 23 2014 18:18 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.

Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.


So Xatalos confirmed town.


What are the two posts you are referring to?

I am talking only about the listpost. Not the entrance tbh. That one was legit bad.


I don't think the list thing is alignment indicative. What gives you the impression that it's town?


Because koshi makes these listposts too and he dont want to be seen as a hypocrite for criticising it since he will do it too

All these people are already bad lynches for D1:
HaruRH
teemursu
ObiWanShinobi
Navillus
GlowingBear
kushm4sta
batsnacks
Damdred


You wrote a list like mine, yay

Although the player choices aren't that great
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 09:50 GMT
#404
##Unovte
##Vote Navillus
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 09:50 GMT
#405
##Unvote
##Vote Navillus
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 09:50 GMT
#406
Damn...

##Unvote
##Vote Navillus
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 09:52 GMT
#407
Hm Koshi, why exactly is Navillus a bad lynch?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 09:56 GMT
#417
On July 23 2014 18:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 18:21 Navillus wrote:
Oh and I almost forgot, vivax what are your reads on kush, xata, obi, or teem. I don't care who or what combination you answer, it's just that you haven't posted much since the game began so I'd like to hear what you think.

Totes town.


I guess you mean the way he seems interested(?) in generating material to work with. But a post like that would be trivial to make as any alignment.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 10:25 GMT
#438
On July 23 2014 18:54 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 18:52 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Koshi, why exactly is Navillus a bad lynch?


How about you answer my case on you instead of trying to buddy


Not sure how productive discussing it with you is. But here:

1) Someone asked me which players would be bad D1 lynches from my experience. I threw together some kind of a list from my quick impressions. I guess the same could have been achieved by simply mentioning the names of the players I generally wouldn't want to lynch D1. Oh well. I guess I cleared my own thoughts a bit while writing that too. I don't really see why something like this would make me "infinitely scummy"? At worst it should be a slightly bad gut feeling or something.

2) The "kush is a good scum player" thing? It just meant that I have no confidence in catching kush immediately. It should be better to wait some more before marking him as either town or scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 10:42 GMT
#443
On July 23 2014 18:54 Navillus wrote:
Hey xatalos, nice to see you also think that palmer's analysis is enough and you don't need to contribute, so what do you think about Kush's defenses of you and what do you think of Obiwan?


Well, kush is 100% correct and probably slightly towny for that.

ObiWan doesn't look too bad. He seems more frustrated than scared of pressure. I don't like the way he complained about the thread atmosphere several times. Posts like that are just... useless and potentially scummy.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 10:44 GMT
#444
On July 23 2014 19:34 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 18:20 Vivax wrote:
Obi isn't scum he was fourth to post.
Next one.

haven't caught up yet but i saw this.
worst read ever wtf vivax


Haha.. Or maybe it's some new scumhunting method beyond our comprehension?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 10:49 GMT
#447
I see no reason for claims at this point. It would only make scum night actions easier.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 11:08 GMT
#460
On July 23 2014 19:53 Chopin Liszt wrote:
I laugh everytime someone says that someone defending them and being correct when nobody else is makes them probably towny when it should give you the opposite reaction ~_~


Anyway, I think navillus has potential and I'd rather keep him around over the likes of obi/teem/vivax. Vivax probably strongest mafia read for not giving a shit like usual mafia vivax, time will tell in the day though.

Teem makes weird ass posts that are total mafia traits posts:

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 14:53 Teemursu wrote:
Hey, Haru, what do you think of Damdred?


Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 14:53 Teemursu wrote:
On July 23 2014 14:51 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'm up. Main focus of the day so far have been on Xatalos and Harurh

You too, what do you think of Damdred?


he asks a lot of people about damd but then never follows up with why, never posts saying that damd is probably mafia because of x,y,z and then later only follows up when asked and responds with almost nothing about the person he was most curious about

Show nested quote +
Xatalos leaning scum, damdred had kind of a bad entrance to the thread and his posting since hasn't been so good that I'd put him higher. kush I have leaning town. He's posting some reads and pressuring people.


Then after, still continues with the damd questions

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 17:56 Teemursu wrote:
On July 23 2014 17:51 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 17:43 Teemursu wrote:
On July 23 2014 17:33 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 17:30 Teemursu wrote:
On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.

Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.


So Xatalos confirmed town.


What makes you think he wasn't serious about it?

Did you read it? That's why.
Xatalos isn't retarded you know.


I don't know him. People might not be retarded but they can still be mafia. I couldn't care less for any meta reads people have on each other in this game.

To the point, if what you're saying is something you believe, what do you think of the people that are pushing him. who is town/mafia etc?

I am just going to call all those people jubjubs.


So you're not interested in finding out people's alignment based on how they're pushing on someone who you think is town?

Palmar, what do you think of damdrad? I feel like he's making similar mafia posts.



+ free town reads on palmar/kush etc based on very little

##unvote
##vote teemursu


I guess it's possible that he's scum and decided to defend me to gain some credibility. In any case, I liked his reasoning in those posts.

Yeah, I remember Vivax being apathetic as scum. It wasn't quite this bad though.

Not really sold on Teemursu at this point. He seems reasonably decisive and focused on the game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 11:09 GMT
#461
I think Vivax will require some meta investigation...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 11:10 GMT
#462
By the way, I did read my role PM before I read anything in the thread.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 11:19 GMT
#464
On July 23 2014 20:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 19:59 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 19:54 Vivax wrote:
Koshi do you dislike Palmar's case.

I like Kush his case better. Palmar's case made me look at Navillus but I saw only town.


Nope, it's a spot on case about a guy trying to look tryhard but showing an inherent lack of interests into topics he should have a focus on, and I get the same feeling, especially from that post.
It's more like he talks about anything that is potentially worth talking about, not just what matters.

I have yet to see him fight back against the bullshit reads I gave about his alleged people of interest.


I don't think anyone would take those seriously.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 11:28 GMT
#473
Huh. Apparently Vivax is about 5x more active and involved in the game as town compared to his scum play.

Right now he seems to be leaning scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 11:31 GMT
#476
On July 23 2014 20:29 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 20:28 Xatalos wrote:
Huh. Apparently Vivax is about 5x more active and involved in the game as town compared to his scum play.

Right now he seems to be leaning scum.


Does it make you want to lynch navi less.


Somewhat
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 11:38 GMT
#480
On July 23 2014 20:32 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 20:31 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:29 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:28 Xatalos wrote:
Huh. Apparently Vivax is about 5x more active and involved in the game as town compared to his scum play.

Right now he seems to be leaning scum.


Does it make you want to lynch navi less.


Somewhat


So you don't feel the reasons Palmar gave are strong enough to warrant a lynch on their own regardless of who's agreeing with them to head for that lynch?


I feel like Palmar made a reasonable early case, but it's far from conclusive. It's hard to have a conclusive case on D1 really. And you playing more to your scum meta + wanting to lynch Navillus isn't very encouraging.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 11:44 GMT
#485
Koshi: Navillus has posted a ton of opinions, but don't you think they're pretty inconclusive and weak? Granted it's D1, but some of his posts feel like... "It could be X, but it could be Y" leaving his options as open as possible.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 11:47 GMT
#488
On July 23 2014 20:43 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 20:38 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:32 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:31 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:29 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:28 Xatalos wrote:
Huh. Apparently Vivax is about 5x more active and involved in the game as town compared to his scum play.

Right now he seems to be leaning scum.


Does it make you want to lynch navi less.


Somewhat


So you don't feel the reasons Palmar gave are strong enough to warrant a lynch on their own regardless of who's agreeing with them to head for that lynch?


I feel like Palmar made a reasonable early case, but it's far from conclusive. It's hard to have a conclusive case on D1 really. And you playing more to your scum meta + wanting to lynch Navillus isn't very encouraging.


Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 18:48 Xatalos wrote:
Navillus could be scum. Reasonably likely is. His posts are pretty inconclusive and weak despite having a lot of text. Leaving a lot of options open for future actions.


Looks to me like you felt it's conclusive enough so that you would add your own reasons on top of it before throwing it away cause one guy on it plays to his scum meta in your unverified opinion.


Let's get the wagon of justice going.

##Unvote
##Vote Vivax
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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