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The case against me is quite frankly flimsy and shitty at best. I will admit my activity has been subpar and I really don't want to say in thread at this point no need to bring rl situation up and clutter up the thread just that i'm here now and will be reading the thread all day.
No good points have been brought up and if the only points is that I did make a post to look like I try hard yea....just a mislynch waiting to happen and I don't want the town to lose and I can help the town win i'm a freaking townie and i'm not going to give up fighting for myself this time.
let me tell you this I wanted to follow up with Xatalos but he freaking ignored me after I posted. I posted and I believe ray had to say hey Damdreds post was useless but you didn't even say anything about it. and his response was
On July 24 2014 00:47 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 00:15 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alsoalsoalso, why didnät you call out those bad cases on you? you should have been the first one to realize they are shit. I think I did mention that it's stupid to call me "infinitely scummy" for a single listpost, but overall I don't feel like it's inherently scummy to make bad cases. It's D1 after all, good cases are rare. no it's not scummy to make bad cases. that's not what i am suggesting. did you even read my post and what it was referring to? i am not calling anyone mafia for making bad cases. damdred made a posts that really said nothing. he didn't follow that up in any way - even when there were questions which you didn't even answer. Cava called damdred town for that post, then he called you not necessarily scum. first of all that post was not good, second, he cannot give damdred a town read if he does not think you are scummy. because he didn't call the case bad. you either agree with a case or not, he didn't do either but STILL the post was somehow good. like, he semi-agreed with it without saying so. wishy-washy as fuck. Haru called you out for buddying after those two guys. Buddying is not scummy unless you explain why. Stupid as fuck. Teemu called you scummy for who knows why. Now why didn't YOU call these people out for those things? Like do you want people just attack you for dumb shit and do nothing about it? Or scared of saying something that is ACTUALLY scummy? idk.. i just can't see why you would like to have bad cases on you running around without cutting them out straight up. I'm not really worried about being lynched and I know my own alignment, so it's kind of nice to have initial suspicions on me to see how they develop / how other players react. At least it's better than everyone sheeping to some lurker. Plus there isn't really much to say about those posts you mentioned. They're either weak suspicions or not even real suspicions at all. Damdred's post has probably been the most useless one, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum among this group.
and then I responded with
On July 24 2014 00:57 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:47 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 00:15 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alsoalsoalso, why didnät you call out those bad cases on you? you should have been the first one to realize they are shit. I think I did mention that it's stupid to call me "infinitely scummy" for a single listpost, but overall I don't feel like it's inherently scummy to make bad cases. It's D1 after all, good cases are rare. no it's not scummy to make bad cases. that's not what i am suggesting. did you even read my post and what it was referring to? i am not calling anyone mafia for making bad cases. damdred made a posts that really said nothing. he didn't follow that up in any way - even when there were questions which you didn't even answer. Cava called damdred town for that post, then he called you not necessarily scum. first of all that post was not good, second, he cannot give damdred a town read if he does not think you are scummy. because he didn't call the case bad. you either agree with a case or not, he didn't do either but STILL the post was somehow good. like, he semi-agreed with it without saying so. wishy-washy as fuck. Haru called you out for buddying after those two guys. Buddying is not scummy unless you explain why. Stupid as fuck. Teemu called you scummy for who knows why. Now why didn't YOU call these people out for those things? Like do you want people just attack you for dumb shit and do nothing about it? Or scared of saying something that is ACTUALLY scummy? idk.. i just can't see why you would like to have bad cases on you running around without cutting them out straight up. I'm not really worried about being lynched and I know my own alignment, so it's kind of nice to have initial suspicions on me to see how they develop / how other players react. At least it's better than everyone sheeping to some lurker. Plus there isn't really much to say about those posts you mentioned. They're either weak suspicions or not even real suspicions at all. Damdred's post has probably been the most useless one, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum among this group. Ok my post is useless, atleast respond to it and say that and answer some questions that I posed instead of totally ignoring it since you got back. And I really haven't had a chance to follow it up so far today thats why i'm posting now
And you know what as far as I can tell Xa still ignored me up until
On July 24 2014 18:26 Xatalos wrote:I think most of the people on my wagon look pretty good. The most scummy vote is definitely batsnacks, since it was just an opportunistic bandwagon vote. If I had to bet on someone being scum on the wagon, it would be batsnacks (in big part thanks to that pretty apathetic&opportunistic vote). He's also not really paying attention to what he's reading since he pretty much started the issue of me "scumreading" VA >.> If you look a bit further than the actual wagon, you can see that Damdred has neatly set himself up for voting me without actually voting me yet. Maybe it's a bit hypocritical, considering my weak commitments so far, but this is the ultimate non-committing push on me (while still giving him the opportunity to vote for me later on): Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 10:53 Damdred wrote:Heres my thoughts about Xatalos right now, hes just seems a bit odd to me right now. On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Sigh Enters thread with an odd opening no sign of real communication. On July 23 2014 05:55 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 05:34 Vivax wrote:On July 23 2014 03:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, I'll join the random lynch thing.
I just saw Christ the Redeemer far away, and it looks like a T.
Therefore:
##Vote: Teemursu
Die. On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Sigh Gut wise I don't like these entrances. I can see what you're getting at with that comment. Both of these posts are kind of apathetic. In any case, it's not much to work with. I'm town anyways and GB could be just playing around a bit. Follows it up by defending himself and glowing, she might be town but he definitely is cool. On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this: On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy. Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that. If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both. ##Vote: Xatalos I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking. What does this mean? Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. But if someone looks and feels scummy and plays great scum in your mind why would you want to keep them around? Isn't it better if you honest think they are scum to take them out fast and not risk them swaying people against you? Bit weird talking about yourself their as well, I know you think yourself an asset but why even include the thing about the scum their? On July 23 2014 06:41 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:38 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 06:26 Koshi wrote:
I think you are out of your mind if you think we had the most awkward conversation ever. I said "how happy are you I am town". How am I here being awkward?
Xatalos his answer might have been odd. But how can you say that even I am scummy? What kind of insane connection is that CR? Why isn't Xatalos scummy that can't reply to my awesome trick question???
Hmmmm? Your side of the conversation was fine, but that's to be expected of you whether you are scum or not. Xatalos was not fine. He pocketed you for the weirdest reason at the weirdest time. I'm leaning towards scum pocketing scum rather than scum pocketing town. As a sidenote, I'm extremely careful not to connect myself with my teammates as scum. You can see me bussing / semi-bussing / distancing my teammates in pretty much every game. I would never fake a friendly conversation with my teammate as scum, at least right away. This feels weird to trying to paint yourself as town by saying that you play scum one way and town another....whos to say that you don't change it up from time to time to make yourself look town? Overall I get a really odd vibe from Xatalos posts, and as others have posted he has singled out a couple of low fruit even though it hurts my pride. I'd like him to answer some before I change votes. On July 23 2014 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
^scum Also why Haru has seemed to be scum hunting in his posts so far. So those two are definitely the scummiest votes (or almost-votes) on me.
OH hey you finally see me when i've dissapeared for almost a whole day, so seriously? You ignore my questions and everything I post besides when ray points out my post was bad then you are like hey this is bad and then you ignore it even further before you post a little case on me? Seriously?
I am the easiest target for him right now to try to get some of these lynch votes off of him, i'm really sheepable if i'm to be frank with low activity and a "try hard" post. But Xat play this game has been odd he has town hunted with Viv had to be told to move his vote off of viv I believe that was a weird scenario. And generally he has said a lot in the thread without actually saying much and honestly his reads have looked just as try hard as my post did at this point.
##unvote
##Vote Xatalos
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On July 24 2014 22:15 Teemursu wrote:
Damdred, if you're here. I want to hear what you got out of the questions that you asked me. I addressed everything you wanted me to address and then just started lurking.
Yea once I actually read your filter I understood why you were on Obi and even without reading your filter I could see why you were on VA. Especially Obis random I don't cares and just showing up in the thread when hes mentioned it makes sense for more of a read towards mafia.
I did play a couple games with him since I got here though, and his game so far has followed what he did as town rather than how he played as mafia not saying that he couldn't change though.
Also whats up with asking bear his read on you then telling him to filter dive you? Just felt a little odd there...
And no i'm not dipping out of the thread right now
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On July 24 2014 22:47 Koshi wrote:
Damdred,
1 question:
To me from that post you made it feels like you were keeping up with the thread but not posting. Is this feeling true?
That feeling is false, the last time I visited the thread was when I told teem that I would look into his filter when I got to a computer. I spent the good chunk of my morning was spent catching up on the thread.
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On July 24 2014 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
Damdred, I did answer that kush thing earlier I think. And the other question was just a non-question.
Then why ignore the mass posts earlier in the thread against you? And why only bring them up when you are poked and prodded? Honestly its dumb, if you think they are such shit posts then you should of totally decimated the posts and deconstructed them and at least replied to it.
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On July 24 2014 22:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 22:49 Damdred wrote:On July 24 2014 22:47 Koshi wrote:
Damdred,
1 question:
To me from that post you made it feels like you were keeping up with the thread but not posting. Is this feeling true? That feeling is false, the last time I visited the thread was when I told teem that I would look into his filter when I got to a computer. I spent the good chunk of my morning was spent catching up on the thread. Ok sexy. Please tell me more about this Vivax/Xatalos interaction please. I am very interested.
The interaction is generally strange he had Xat down as mafia earlier and Xat had viv down as mafia earlier (but he changed his mind quickly when prodded and based his read on other games where viv activity was lower when he was mafia), and i'm not sure if Viv is actively sheeping a case made against me or was just trying to get me to delurk so he voted me.
I'd like him to answer that, because the case against me is much weaker then I would normally expect him to follow for being a vet.
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Koshi if not Xatalos who is your two main lynches right now
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On July 24 2014 23:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 23:22 Damdred wrote:
Koshi if not Xatalos who is your two main lynches right now Confirmed not reading the thread.
That is incorrect, I am asking him a legit question now. His post about is this how he sounds shouting about vivax makes me wonder if hes changed his mind. I just want to know
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On July 24 2014 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote:On July 24 2014 23:23 Vivax wrote:On July 24 2014 23:22 Damdred wrote:
Koshi if not Xatalos who is your two main lynches right now Confirmed not reading the thread. That is incorrect, I am asking him a legit question now. His post about is this how he sounds shouting about vivax makes me wonder if hes changed his mind. I just want to know Dude, he called me scum, Chopin scum, all the vets in between and now he's forcing Xata to roleclaim. He never even explained why I'm scum.
Then why not let me have a conversation with him instead of just yelling not reading thread lynch him! Let me gather some form of my own opinion during an odd situation seriously.
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On July 24 2014 23:28 Vivax wrote:
Cause we had an entire day and for some reason you left too much stuff open for me to trust you.
And now that you come back your only scumread is Xatalos, who happens to be your wagon of salvation, and ask Koshi something that should be obvious given he has been spamming his scumreads without reasons like a mantra.
Then don't trust me but i'm stinking town, I made a post about my top scum read and the situation got crazy since i've been back so i'm trying to gather from Koshi any information I can in the here and now if GB is right or wrong. Who cares, he was under a different situation than he was before right? Sometimes people answer different in different situations and the GB post somewhat changed what was going on in the thread. Just lynch the person who wanted to ask questions right?
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On July 24 2014 23:34 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 23:34 kushm4sta wrote:
xatalos I hate when people wait till the last second to claim and put everybody in a fucking panic. it's so anti town and stressful and annoying. Claim immediately or I am going to leave the thread with my vote on you and feel good about it even though I think you're town.
If you claim I will consider your claim and I will probably try to get someone else lynched. I think it's the opposite. Quick and hectic situations are the best for figuring out who the scum are.
But if not enough people are left in the thread to change votes or convince whats the point of waiting till the last minute? I dont' want to mislynch today
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On July 24 2014 23:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 23:33 Damdred wrote:On July 24 2014 23:28 Vivax wrote:
Cause we had an entire day and for some reason you left too much stuff open for me to trust you.
And now that you come back your only scumread is Xatalos, who happens to be your wagon of salvation, and ask Koshi something that should be obvious given he has been spamming his scumreads without reasons like a mantra. Then don't trust me but i'm stinking town, I made a post about my top scum read and the situation got crazy since i've been back so i'm trying to gather from Koshi any information I can in the here and now if GB is right or wrong. Who cares, he was under a different situation than he was before right? Sometimes people answer different in different situations and the GB post somewhat changed what was going on in the thread. Just lynch the person who wanted to ask questions right? Your question is answered I guess. What are the consequences you draw from it and intended to draw?
Use every opportunity especially hectic ones to draw out peoples alignments right? Wouldn't it of made sense in that case for Koshi to hop on the GB for posting something that threw the thread into hectic state?
Also your reaction was strange instead of commenting on Koshi and their reaction straight away you went straight to me and told everyone to lynch me and I wasn't reading the thread before seeing where I was going...
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On July 24 2014 23:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 23:40 Damdred wrote:On July 24 2014 23:34 Vivax wrote:On July 24 2014 23:33 Damdred wrote:On July 24 2014 23:28 Vivax wrote:
Cause we had an entire day and for some reason you left too much stuff open for me to trust you.
And now that you come back your only scumread is Xatalos, who happens to be your wagon of salvation, and ask Koshi something that should be obvious given he has been spamming his scumreads without reasons like a mantra. Then don't trust me but i'm stinking town, I made a post about my top scum read and the situation got crazy since i've been back so i'm trying to gather from Koshi any information I can in the here and now if GB is right or wrong. Who cares, he was under a different situation than he was before right? Sometimes people answer different in different situations and the GB post somewhat changed what was going on in the thread. Just lynch the person who wanted to ask questions right? Your question is answered I guess. What are the consequences you draw from it and intended to draw? Use every opportunity especially hectic ones to draw out peoples alignments right? Wouldn't it of made sense in that case for Koshi to hop on the GB for posting something that threw the thread into hectic state? Also your reaction was strange instead of commenting on Koshi and their reaction straight away you went straight to me and told everyone to lynch me and I wasn't reading the thread before seeing where I was going... Why would it make sense for Koshi to hop on GB? He was busy getting Xata to roleclaim, explain please. ___ Ok let's get some common sense back in the thread and not this monkey panic fest Koshi and Teemu started. Kush, you aren't caught up if I had to guess, but I want you to look at my Damdred case and give me your opinion on it, and give an opinion on his comeback. Plus, evaluate if we should switch to Obi like chopin proposed atfer looking at Damdred.
GB main lynch target today was Xata, he built several good posts around him, Xata responded to some of them a bit oddly which looks like made him stick to him. Suddenly out of no where GB comes up with vote Koshi for trying to get Xata to claim, it isn't to far fetched that Koshi could of changed his list and put GB on it for that post it was worth a question at least.
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Vivax are you really that sure I'm mafia?
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##vote navillus
hate phone
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On July 25 2014 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2014 01:14 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, why was your vote on me all day even if you never really pursued lynching me and barely even talked about me for the latter half of your filter? I wasn't gonna vote for you. As far as i got i would have voted for GlowingBear, damdred or Navillus.
I'm curious about the GB part...got town from what I've seen
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On July 25 2014 03:54 Vivax wrote:You sticking around for a bit? I'll be reassessing your filter so it would be nice if you could chat a little.
I'm eating showering for work but ill be pretty constantly checking for q couple hours then ill be more sporadic
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Your right it wasn't sheeping you had me down as one of you scum suspects for awhile before that. To be honest when i saw xatas and your votes i figured in the next few pages my wagon would be rolling or id og gotten lynched while i was gone.
To the reads on you and xata reads on each other yours changing doesn't mean as much since its a gradual change but xatas sudden change was weird and him saying you weren't scum but still voteing you felt odd indeed.
That point in the thread was hectic and well i thought GB move off xata after so many posts about #1 scumread was weird but not exactly scummy. I was more wondering if that post affected koshi why i wanted to ask questions instead i got into it with you a small bit.
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