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On July 28 2014 00:06 GlowingBear wrote:Quick case on Xatalos:Show nested quote +On July 27 2014 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:51 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:10 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote:
The problem is that all other lynches are people marv said are town Xatalos/VA and all his preferred lynches are people I think are town aka Damdred/Obiwan.
Maybe we should find common ground and lynch Vivax. Why do you read damdred as town? It's not that he is a shining beacon of townyness. But read the first post on the second and third page of his filter. I can see a town making those. Same for everything in between. Is he really that scummy? I don't see it tbh. He is suspicious. He really is. But check your main scum filters. Doesn't it looks like mislynching damdred is part of mafias agenda? Really, look how there is a timid scumread on damdred day one that continues on and on. Timid scumreads. Like people are trying to make townies go against him creating big cases, leading a mislynch and getting mislynched the other day. Do you get what I'm trying to say here? Yes. That's why I am being overconfident saying he is town  . To balance the sneaky mafia agenda. Alright, so, if you ALSO believe this, you should be voting Xatalos because he has been doing that since the beginning of the game. I mean (1) lots of fluff, (2) being hard defended by a possible mafia, (3) almost no scum hunt on his filter and (4) contributing with the timid scumread on damdred, (5) being saved, continues to post fluff without Scumhunting. Don't you think there are reasons enough? These are the main reasons I've brought up. There's a (6), which is his strange reads on rayn. Follow me (big quotes on spoilers) LOL only joking right lololol why not? Now to his list post: + Show Spoiler +On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 06:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this: On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy. Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that. If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both. ##Vote: Xatalos I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking. What does this mean? Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. Interesting. Why don't you give us a list of acceptable day 1 lynches then, friend? HaruRH - don't remember him, not really for or against lynching him D1 Koshi - against lynching him D1 teemursu - see HaruRH Chopin Liszt - see HaruRH VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not raynpelikoneet - definitely not a D1 lynch unless he somehow is really scummy (doubtful regardless of his alignment) ObiWanShinobi - see HaruRH Navillus - see HaruRH GlowingBear - see HaruRH kushm4sta - hmmm.... I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him Chairman Ray - see HaruRH Vivax - no special feelings towards him although I do remember that he was pretty obviously scummy in one game, we'll see batsnacks - see HaruRH Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling Palmar - see raynpelikoneet If there wasn't enough reasons to bash on his post, rayn is confirmed mafia. Now look how he reserves the "definetely not a lynch on day1" to rayn. I would like you to remember his positioning against Damdred here, too. Weird enough? Ok, so, there is a series of posts where rayn timid pushes Xatalos but never putting his hand on fire. He actually, at some point, only says that Xatalos' posts are bad but without reasons. I had to ask him to give reasons. And we are talking about rayn. He timid pushes Xatalos but never vote him. Here is an example, I'll ask you to open the nested quote: + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2014 02:49 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started. I don't like this post for multiple reasons. I hate when you post like this. Explain? First two sentences are totally wrong and if Xatalos thinks so he needs to justify it which he has not done. Why can't mafia change atttention out of mafia? I mean obviously, regardless of Xatalos' alignment he "reads himself" as town and says so, but that's not any proof of what ACTUALLY happened. Where is the conf bias? Confidence is not a scumtell unless he explains why. Obviously scum can change attention away from scum. It was just that he was so certain (somehow) of me being scum that he assumed that's what's actually happened... which felt weird. Besides, I still have a lot of attention and it's not like I'm trying to hide or anything? Could be town confidence I guess. It's just the way how he's been +1'ing suspicions on me so eagerly. Is it in line with the level of his scumread's reasoning? I think it's a bit too much. I'll stop here because I've made my point and I don't have enough time before deadline. Also, I was trying to further analyse this but there are no nighpost/daypost on the OP and there are not recent vote counts. It makes difficult to go deeper. I think people gave up on this game already. ##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos
Hmm. Xatalos coming into this game with a vote on rayn and harddefending him in a silly listpost actually looks town to me.
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I don't care CR is mafia and you, Koshi, suck.
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I believe GB ray did vote xat when he was switching between vi and nav....
i don't think xat is getting lynched in the next 40 minutes why push him instead of the other cases or do you think both re bad?
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On July 28 2014 00:09 Vivax wrote:
Anyway it's a massive dumpster scum case, and most people sheeped it and believed it just for all that effort I put into it, and all the scum motives I made up.
Yet at the end of a 200 pages game, I only had like 6 pages of filter, and nobody imagined me being scum (not knowing my town meta well).
You could have just said "I think all of CRs cases this game are huge scummy dumpster cases." I mean I can see how someone would think that and I can see that it might be true.
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On July 28 2014 00:06 GlowingBear wrote:Quick case on Xatalos:Show nested quote +On July 27 2014 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:51 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:10 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote:
The problem is that all other lynches are people marv said are town Xatalos/VA and all his preferred lynches are people I think are town aka Damdred/Obiwan.
Maybe we should find common ground and lynch Vivax. Why do you read damdred as town? It's not that he is a shining beacon of townyness. But read the first post on the second and third page of his filter. I can see a town making those. Same for everything in between. Is he really that scummy? I don't see it tbh. He is suspicious. He really is. But check your main scum filters. Doesn't it looks like mislynching damdred is part of mafias agenda? Really, look how there is a timid scumread on damdred day one that continues on and on. Timid scumreads. Like people are trying to make townies go against him creating big cases, leading a mislynch and getting mislynched the other day. Do you get what I'm trying to say here? Yes. That's why I am being overconfident saying he is town . To balance the sneaky mafia agenda. Alright, so, if you ALSO believe this, you should be voting Xatalos because he has been doing that since the beginning of the game. I mean (1) lots of fluff, (2) being hard defended by a possible mafia, (3) almost no scum hunt on his filter and (4) contributing with the timid scumread on damdred, (5) being saved, continues to post fluff without Scumhunting. Don't you think there are reasons enough? These are the main reasons I've brought up. There's a (6), which is his strange reads on rayn. Follow me (big quotes on spoilers) LOL only joking right lololol why not? Now to his list post: + Show Spoiler +On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 06:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this: On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy. Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that. If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both. ##Vote: Xatalos I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking. What does this mean? Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. Interesting. Why don't you give us a list of acceptable day 1 lynches then, friend? HaruRH - don't remember him, not really for or against lynching him D1 Koshi - against lynching him D1 teemursu - see HaruRH Chopin Liszt - see HaruRH VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not raynpelikoneet - definitely not a D1 lynch unless he somehow is really scummy (doubtful regardless of his alignment) ObiWanShinobi - see HaruRH Navillus - see HaruRH GlowingBear - see HaruRH kushm4sta - hmmm.... I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him Chairman Ray - see HaruRH Vivax - no special feelings towards him although I do remember that he was pretty obviously scummy in one game, we'll see batsnacks - see HaruRH Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling Palmar - see raynpelikoneet If there wasn't enough reasons to bash on his post, rayn is confirmed mafia. Now look how he reserves the "definetely not a lynch on day1" to rayn. I would like you to remember his positioning against Damdred here, too. Weird enough? Ok, so, there is a series of posts where rayn timid pushes Xatalos but never putting his hand on fire. He actually, at some point, only says that Xatalos' posts are bad but without reasons. I had to ask him to give reasons. And we are talking about rayn. He timid pushes Xatalos but never vote him. Here is an example, I'll ask you to open the nested quote: + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2014 02:49 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started. I don't like this post for multiple reasons. I hate when you post like this. Explain? First two sentences are totally wrong and if Xatalos thinks so he needs to justify it which he has not done. Why can't mafia change atttention out of mafia? I mean obviously, regardless of Xatalos' alignment he "reads himself" as town and says so, but that's not any proof of what ACTUALLY happened. Where is the conf bias? Confidence is not a scumtell unless he explains why. Obviously scum can change attention away from scum. It was just that he was so certain (somehow) of me being scum that he assumed that's what's actually happened... which felt weird. Besides, I still have a lot of attention and it's not like I'm trying to hide or anything? Could be town confidence I guess. It's just the way how he's been +1'ing suspicions on me so eagerly. Is it in line with the level of his scumread's reasoning? I think it's a bit too much. I'll stop here because I've made my point and I don't have enough time before deadline. Also, I was trying to further analyse this but there are no nighpost/daypost on the OP and there are not recent vote counts. It makes difficult to go deeper. I think people gave up on this game already. ##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos
rayn actually *did* vote for me and left his vote on me for the rest of the day without apparently any real reason...... Maybe hoping that the wagon on me would get enough votes and that his vote could aid in getting me lynched or something.
I would never defend my scummate at least D1. Haven't you seen my scumgames? In one game I bussed literally every one of my teammates. In the previous scumgame I semi-bussed or distanced from all of my teammates.
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That guy had no interests except for Xata and a bit of ObiWan, who was "on his radar" throughout all of D1.
He didn't fight anyone to get his only super-scumread lynched.
And now he doesn't fight anyone to get Vayne lynched, he only found the perfect scum motive behind his play and doesn't even doubt a bit that maybe Vayne actually had some stupid townie plan, that in the end is just the same stupid , maybe townie maybe scum plan marv had at the end of N1.
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We should lynch vayne though. At least CR didn't cc me.
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Koshi counterclaimed marv.
You wanna lynch him too?
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Not right now, no. I want to lynch vayne.
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Yes. Somewhere I think marv/GB could be scum.
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Vivax you have me convinced honestly
chairman ray
Also the more i read GB post the more i hate it honestly.
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I really want to lynch marv but w.e
Who here thinks CR is scummy? If CR really is scummy we could lynch CR I guess.
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On July 27 2014 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Screw that actually I retract the dangly townread, still possible mafia.
He agreed with mine and HF's cases during the night, didn't see him act up on it.
I honestly have no idea wtf this guy is doing, but he still has more filter than CR.
What cases? Also hi.
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On July 28 2014 00:16 Vivax wrote:
That guy had no interests except for Xata and a bit of ObiWan, who was "on his radar" throughout all of D1.
He didn't fight anyone to get his only super-scumread lynched.
And now he doesn't fight anyone to get Vayne lynched, he only found the perfect scum motive behind his play and doesn't even doubt a bit that maybe Vayne actually had some stupid townie plan, that in the end is just the same stupid , maybe townie maybe scum plan marv had at the end of N1.
Thinking about it CR might really have a decent chance of flipping scum.
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I really don't want another day 1 everyone just vote vayne and hold your horses for 30 minutes.
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##Vote Chairman Ray
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On July 28 2014 00:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2014 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Screw that actually I retract the dangly townread, still possible mafia.
He agreed with mine and HF's cases during the night, didn't see him act up on it.
I honestly have no idea wtf this guy is doing, but he still has more filter than CR. What cases? Also hi.
On July 25 2014 02:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm dying to see the rebuttals on these cases.
They both look pretty good.
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On July 28 2014 00:16 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2014 00:06 GlowingBear wrote:Quick case on Xatalos:On July 27 2014 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:51 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:10 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote:
The problem is that all other lynches are people marv said are town Xatalos/VA and all his preferred lynches are people I think are town aka Damdred/Obiwan.
Maybe we should find common ground and lynch Vivax. Why do you read damdred as town? It's not that he is a shining beacon of townyness. But read the first post on the second and third page of his filter. I can see a town making those. Same for everything in between. Is he really that scummy? I don't see it tbh. He is suspicious. He really is. But check your main scum filters. Doesn't it looks like mislynching damdred is part of mafias agenda? Really, look how there is a timid scumread on damdred day one that continues on and on. Timid scumreads. Like people are trying to make townies go against him creating big cases, leading a mislynch and getting mislynched the other day. Do you get what I'm trying to say here? Yes. That's why I am being overconfident saying he is town . To balance the sneaky mafia agenda. Alright, so, if you ALSO believe this, you should be voting Xatalos because he has been doing that since the beginning of the game. I mean (1) lots of fluff, (2) being hard defended by a possible mafia, (3) almost no scum hunt on his filter and (4) contributing with the timid scumread on damdred, (5) being saved, continues to post fluff without Scumhunting. Don't you think there are reasons enough? These are the main reasons I've brought up. There's a (6), which is his strange reads on rayn. Follow me (big quotes on spoilers) On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Sigh LOL only joking right lololol why not? Now to his list post: + Show Spoiler +On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 06:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this: On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy. Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that. If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both. ##Vote: Xatalos I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking. What does this mean? Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. Interesting. Why don't you give us a list of acceptable day 1 lynches then, friend? HaruRH - don't remember him, not really for or against lynching him D1 Koshi - against lynching him D1 teemursu - see HaruRH Chopin Liszt - see HaruRH VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not raynpelikoneet - definitely not a D1 lynch unless he somehow is really scummy (doubtful regardless of his alignment) ObiWanShinobi - see HaruRH Navillus - see HaruRH GlowingBear - see HaruRH kushm4sta - hmmm.... I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him Chairman Ray - see HaruRH Vivax - no special feelings towards him although I do remember that he was pretty obviously scummy in one game, we'll see batsnacks - see HaruRH Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling Palmar - see raynpelikoneet If there wasn't enough reasons to bash on his post, rayn is confirmed mafia. Now look how he reserves the "definetely not a lynch on day1" to rayn. I would like you to remember his positioning against Damdred here, too. Weird enough? Ok, so, there is a series of posts where rayn timid pushes Xatalos but never putting his hand on fire. He actually, at some point, only says that Xatalos' posts are bad but without reasons. I had to ask him to give reasons. And we are talking about rayn. He timid pushes Xatalos but never vote him. Here is an example, I'll ask you to open the nested quote: + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2014 02:49 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started. I don't like this post for multiple reasons. I hate when you post like this. Explain? First two sentences are totally wrong and if Xatalos thinks so he needs to justify it which he has not done. Why can't mafia change atttention out of mafia? I mean obviously, regardless of Xatalos' alignment he "reads himself" as town and says so, but that's not any proof of what ACTUALLY happened. Where is the conf bias? Confidence is not a scumtell unless he explains why. Obviously scum can change attention away from scum. It was just that he was so certain (somehow) of me being scum that he assumed that's what's actually happened... which felt weird. Besides, I still have a lot of attention and it's not like I'm trying to hide or anything? Could be town confidence I guess. It's just the way how he's been +1'ing suspicions on me so eagerly. Is it in line with the level of his scumread's reasoning? I think it's a bit too much. I'll stop here because I've made my point and I don't have enough time before deadline. Also, I was trying to further analyse this but there are no nighpost/daypost on the OP and there are not recent vote counts. It makes difficult to go deeper. I think people gave up on this game already. ##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos rayn actually *did* vote for me and left his vote on me for the rest of the day without apparently any real reason...... Maybe hoping that the wagon on me would get enough votes and that his vote could aid in getting me lynched or something. I would never defend my scummate at least D1. Haven't you seen my scumgames? In one game I bussed literally every one of my teammates. In the previous scumgame I semi-bussed or distanced from all of my teammates.
That's right... Rayn kept the vote on you... I couldn't find the final vote count but now I remember.
I am tunnelling.
Whatever. I'd rather kill CR or Vayne now. I'd rather lynch Vayne because of what I've brought from Rayn.
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##Vote: VayneAuthority
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