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I DEMAND THIS GETS ANSWERED CORAZON!
On July 08 2014 02:57 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp.
WHAT!??!?! How can you understand a read that's justified by absolute nonsensical BS? God, I feel like I'm surrounded by people who don't know how to formulate logical thoughts. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people. You're being hypocritical here. You're saying that Toad's vote isn't genuine because Toad's vote on prplhz for being depressed isn't genuine, but then you say that you are also not happy or optimistic about town's chances. DAFUQ? You're reads are absolutely bizarre. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).
Please show me what I've said that isn't important. Please tell me which reads of mine are thrown out with no reasoning Please don't call me mafia ever again cause that's a bad bad bad tactic if you're town
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How do you propose finding mafia?
Who is mafia?
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On July 08 2014 04:19 Corazon wrote:
1. I explained that in that same post.
2. Already answered.
3a Everything
3b All of them
3c Actually start playing the game
P.S. Sorry for calling you Robin, mixed up your name.
You can't answer like this. I call BS. I want concrete answers or I will absolutely push the living shit out of you until you're dead
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On July 08 2014 04:23 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote:
How do you propose finding mafia?
Who is mafia? Not Cora. Stop bullying the thread. No one is going to listen to your ramblings.
He's saying that I haven't done anything productive or substantial and that I haven't backed up my reads. I claim that what he's saying is 100% untrue and he's unwilling to prove me wrong. That's scummy as all h-e-double hockey sticks.
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Vivax is a genius btw.
Vivax 2nd top town behind IAMP
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On July 08 2014 04:34 Koshi wrote:
Robik, why is Vivax joking?
I didn't understand until just now.
He's joking because he doesn't have a day-vig ability obviously.
Vivax is super duper town though.
Yamato, what I've done is that I have 2 clear towns in iamperfection and vivax and I have suspicions on bunnies and the person your protecting for really poor reasons, who is just throwing fire on the flame by calling me mafia, with little to no justification. And you saying that I haven't been productive is also BS. If you're saying that then you must agree that I have not justified my reads and am just saying stuff to say stuff. Is this what you actually believe? if so, feel free to answer the questions I posed to him about what reads I haven't explained.
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On July 08 2014 04:37 yamato77 wrote:
Though I kind of do agree with Vivax that VE did seem intent on scumreading him from the outset, I just don't know that VE is mafia picking Vivax as a premeditated murder victim, or if he's town and just failed to accurately express his suspicions the first go around.
Not sure if he's town or mafia, but reads a lot like confirmation biased
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On July 08 2014 04:41 yamato77 wrote:
Rob, you're posting lots of things, but many of them aren't really helping anyone find mafia.
Its good that you have reads, but I don't find them very convincing. I have my own reads, and I trust my methods more than yours. You should trust my methods, I've played with many of these players far more than you have.
I know that I'm town.
I don't know that you're town.
Can't trust you.
My trust is put into Vivax and iamperfection
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On July 08 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote:
Ok. My crisis is gone.
Carry on.
I hope this is about trusting me.
I hope that we are on the same wavelength
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On July 08 2014 04:46 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 01:40 ExO_ wrote:
Oh god I've gotten used to how slow World Cup is now, too many posts too fast going on here. Exo could be the classic frozen newbie mafia He's a newb, right?
He didn't post too often in Order as medic.
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On July 08 2014 04:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
so let me get this straight forumite, you called prplhz town early on for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, made a horrible read on toad based on this complete fabrication (which you still stand by), and are supposedly doing so because you can't read prplhz and don't want to waste town's time.
..................................................................................................................... ? where did you get the no reason at all part? didn't he post earlier that in all games where he got a slight scum read early on prp that prp ended up flipping town. as a result he has decided to flip his read? so when he get slight scum -> town, when gets town -> slight scum? i think he even posted about how he got the slight scum feels too when someone questioned it. you read the thread bro?
Did you read the part where he didn't answer anything with regards to why he thought that prplhz was scummy
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On July 08 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
People I like
Robik
Toad
Koshi
Kush
Iamperfection
Batsnacks
People I don't Like
Yamato
ExO
Damdred
People I don't necessarily care for but wouldn't lynch today
Vivax
VE
Layabout
Robik
Forumite
Cora
Drunk
Layabout
I'm caught up with the thread and will be commenting/asking questions from here on out.
Anybody in the Don't like list can be shot or lynched.
If you want reads for any of them ask me.
Also, if you want my opinion on a certain subject talked about in the last whatever pages, ask me.
Otherwise, I'm not commenting much on anything from before this post unless asked to.
Everything after this post is fair game.
Also, Turkey pot pies are the shizz.
Should I be honored to be in 2 lists or are you just making up reads and putting people in random spots.
What don't you like about damdred?
What do you like about Kush (who hasn't read his role pm, so you can't actually have a read on him)?
What do you like about batsnacks?
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I won't be lynch this game. I'll be nk'd, modkilled, or live till the end
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Ritoky is playing really awkwardly
and he hasn't posted an american flag yet.
watch out
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On July 08 2014 05:50 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 05:46 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 05:40 ExO_ wrote:On July 08 2014 05:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 08 2014 05:25 ExO_ wrote:On July 08 2014 05:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 08 2014 05:14 ExO_ wrote:
These day 1 reads are always so full of bullshit, its almost funny. Yeah, my reads d1 arent always good. It happens. But why shouldn't we be reading you as mafia? You've posted 1 thing the entire game. I hate posting massive reads on day 1, because I think they're largely baseless and fueled by past games and ego. I'd rather wait until after day 1 voting so I'll have some actual basis by which to evaluate people. This is consistent with my town play in both Order and World Cup (though I guess that isn't over so it can't be confirmed yet). Not posting a lot on the first day doesn't make me scummy at all. Calling me mafia is just an attempt to get me to read other people, which I won't do until after day 1. But that's so boring. Basically you are saying "Here. I'm not going to give any reads at all on day 1, let everyone else do the work, while I just sit back, and place a vote by sheeping my mafia partner or if you are town, the towniest person in the game)" That shit don't fly with me. It might be boring, but it's what I prefer. Instead of bullshitting like some people, I'm not going to stir up shit on day 1, that'll be based on nothing. It's silly and doesn't help town. There are some people here who are able to read players day 1, I'm not one of them. So while you may not like it, it's hardly indicative of my alignment, and as I said is consistent with my town player in the other mafia games I've played here on TL. If that's your basis for a scum read on me, then I think perhaps you may consider that you aren't one of the people that can read and find mafia on day 1. Do you have any insight on the game so far? can you quote what gave you your slight scum read on prp that you then flipped into a town read? also what do you think of toades' point regarding you directing the post at him and not having an agenda behind it?
I've asked for this 2-3 times already
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We're lynching sloosh today. Can't explain it, but s/he's mafia
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On July 08 2014 06:06 IAmRobik wrote:
We're lynching sloosh today. Can't explain it, but s/he's mafia
Actually I can explain it.
This is Sloosh's first post.
On July 08 2014 06:01 slOosh wrote:Heyo. I am not liking the Forumite. Ok are you ready for this? Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote:
My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town.
prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads.
I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting.
Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die.
##Vote: Koshi He meta reads prplhz, then asks prplhz for his reads. Stop. Think. Why do you ask people for reads? You do it because either you want to get a better read on them, or you think they are town and you value their reads. At 99% town, he isn't doing it for the first reason, so it must be the second. But at this point the game just started, and most of the posts were "hahaha jokez" posts, so clearly nothing meaningful to be gleaned off here. Conclusion: Forumite has a scummy mindset of "asking people for reads looks like activity" but when he does it it looks totally out of place. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 03:40 Forumite wrote:
I think I did this in an earlier game, stating that I have a townread on prplhz for the exact same reason. It ended up disrupting town discussion for most of D1. I should probably stop doing this. Anyway I know I'm shitty at reading anything prplhz does so to make it simple for myself I just won´t vote for him without a VERY good reason.
On Toades, I don´t know. It´s OMGUS for voting me and the opposite for (nearly) dropping the case a few hours later. Him pushing for me makes it hard for me to be objective about his play. Others seem to think it makes him slightly townie, whatever.
Koshi, I still think he´s scummy, even more than the usual OMGUS for pushing me. His case on me felt like he waited to hitch on to Toades case, adding his own complex reasonings to explain why scum would do what I did, basically WIFOM. He also accused me of calling Toades scum, which I´m fairly sure I never did. I´m leaving my vote on Koshi.
Toades, did you have any questions for me? Both Koshi and Toads have had a little back and forth on why they find Forumite suspicious. He says of Toads that his pushing on himself makes objective reading difficult, so he defers to other's opinions on Toad (slightly townie). Stop. Think. Who else has pushed Forumite and is generally considered townie (or at least not scum)? Koshi has also been pushing Forumite but he doesn't bring that hesitation with Toads to Koshi. He dismisses what Koshi says as WIFOM (it's not). Conclusion: Another inconsistency in his play. Let's crank up the heat.
##Vote: Forumite
Instead of coming in and reading everything, he chose to pick on Forumite who some people have suspicion on and build a long case on him after basically afk'ing.
This is precisely what I called gumshoe out on in GSL and it's the easiest thing to do as mafia to make it look like you're actually scum hunting. He provides no other reads and doesn't add anything but a long accusation on someone who is already under pressure.
SLOOSH IS SCUM SCUM SCUM
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On July 08 2014 06:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 06:15 IAmRobik wrote:On July 08 2014 06:06 IAmRobik wrote:
We're lynching sloosh today. Can't explain it, but s/he's mafia Actually I can explain it. This is Sloosh's first post. On July 08 2014 06:01 slOosh wrote:Heyo. I am not liking the Forumite. Ok are you ready for this? On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote:
My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town.
prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads.
I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting.
Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die.
##Vote: Koshi He meta reads prplhz, then asks prplhz for his reads. Stop. Think. Why do you ask people for reads? You do it because either you want to get a better read on them, or you think they are town and you value their reads. At 99% town, he isn't doing it for the first reason, so it must be the second. But at this point the game just started, and most of the posts were "hahaha jokez" posts, so clearly nothing meaningful to be gleaned off here. Conclusion: Forumite has a scummy mindset of "asking people for reads looks like activity" but when he does it it looks totally out of place. On July 08 2014 03:40 Forumite wrote:
I think I did this in an earlier game, stating that I have a townread on prplhz for the exact same reason. It ended up disrupting town discussion for most of D1. I should probably stop doing this. Anyway I know I'm shitty at reading anything prplhz does so to make it simple for myself I just won´t vote for him without a VERY good reason.
On Toades, I don´t know. It´s OMGUS for voting me and the opposite for (nearly) dropping the case a few hours later. Him pushing for me makes it hard for me to be objective about his play. Others seem to think it makes him slightly townie, whatever.
Koshi, I still think he´s scummy, even more than the usual OMGUS for pushing me. His case on me felt like he waited to hitch on to Toades case, adding his own complex reasonings to explain why scum would do what I did, basically WIFOM. He also accused me of calling Toades scum, which I´m fairly sure I never did. I´m leaving my vote on Koshi.
Toades, did you have any questions for me? Both Koshi and Toads have had a little back and forth on why they find Forumite suspicious. He says of Toads that his pushing on himself makes objective reading difficult, so he defers to other's opinions on Toad (slightly townie). Stop. Think. Who else has pushed Forumite and is generally considered townie (or at least not scum)? Koshi has also been pushing Forumite but he doesn't bring that hesitation with Toads to Koshi. He dismisses what Koshi says as WIFOM (it's not). Conclusion: Another inconsistency in his play. Let's crank up the heat.
##Vote: Forumite Instead of coming in and reading everything, he chose to pick on Forumite who some people have suspicion on and build a long case on him after basically afk'ing. This is precisely what I called gumshoe out on in GSL and it's the easiest thing to do as mafia to make it look like you're actually scum hunting. He provides no other reads and doesn't add anything but a long accusation on someone who is already under pressure. SLOOSH IS SCUM SCUM SCUM Is the case good?
No. He provides no new insight, minus some bs about you and toad pushing on forumite, which doesn't actually prove anything and doesn't add to his conclusion.
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On July 08 2014 06:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 06:16 Alakaslam wrote:On July 08 2014 03:25 iamperfection wrote:
Iamrobik is like the most active poster i dont think he is scum and should only reassess this if on day 6 when im long dead he is still around. worry about it then. Discussion on iamrobik being scum can stop. Orly? If I start being raynic as well will you townread me? pls. You cannot be rayn.
I'm slowly but surely making Rayn quit mafia.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but the posts just reek of the same bullshit "i'm posting way to much at this point and i'm gonna say a lot and look like i'm helpful and trying to figure out the game without actually providing any new content but at least its long"
On February 16 2014 17:20 gumshoe wrote:
Haro! So I've pretty much blitzed through the thread, but obviously the most recent event eclipses everything that came before it so I've reconfigured most of my reads in light of it. The only reason I can see Moc quitting like he has is if he feels like his scum team has completely failed him, which he straight up acknowledges in the case of Rayn. Gives me the sense that most of his scum team are incompetent and already under pressure. I also dont think hed reveal like this if there were one or two members of his team on at his time of confession, which would be a bit of a dick move, this tentatively clears Grack( who I had pinged as null) thrawn(his posting aggravates me a smidge just like in the last serius game we played, so probs town) and bum, all of whom had decent thread presence and posted within a couple hours of mocstas confession. Bum I especially consider townie because of how seemingly sincere hes been in his attempts to push discussion, case in point this post glows green to my eyes.
"It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think!"
An attempt at getting a contribution out of a player whose likely to be lynched comes off as a weird scum play, unless that scum player is totally confident that the townie will provide misinformation. Something I dont think a scum bum would count on.
Vivax also posted within range of the confession, but even disregarding that I honestly cant believe Mocsta would quit like this if he had Vivax on his team. Same reasoning applies to rob.
Which leaves a pool of six within which lies the last two scum.
1:Shiapi: Has done extremely little for town, that much hasnt changed, Round hasnt really said much on him all game long, usually deflecting questions or arguments against him onto someone else, only once he became the clear lynch did Moc/rayn hop on the wagon faithfully. A shiapi scum partner would def fit the bad scum team narrative.
2:Mattchew: Posts a bunch of one liners, mostly comments on others reads, has a relative amount of heat on him, thread presence low to medium. I dont think hes scum with shiapi unless shiao called his mother a goat or something. Although that would explain Mocs exasperation with his team, meh.
3: Quantom Pope: Extremely low content, could definitely see Mocsta getting pissed about being with this guy.
4:Mordanis: His early posts look like they have some actual, albiet befuddled, thought to them but his targets are odd, and bieng reasonable more often than not does not translate to bieng townie. He goes after Rob and Vivax, two relatively green players at the time, strange choices even if you take into account the volatile nature of any games start. Another odd thing is Rounds hard defense of him.
"I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.."
at the time Mordanis had done a decent amount of contribution, but it's odd just how far Round sticks his neck out for him, going so far as to call his posts the best thread... Not even sure if Rayn's the kinda player to do that if they were buddies. Could just as well be post flip posturing on a possible lynch target, a motive backed up by Rayns willingness to change his stance on Mord as scum got more desperate for a lynch. Definitely a frustrating scum partner to have, so Mord does fit the terrible scum team theory.
5: Sidesprang: Not much of a contributor, but reads townie to me . Him asking for my replacement seems like a pretty unscummy thing to do, scum would want my slot to stay inactive as long as possible, yet here he is pretty much begging for a real contributor. Also his asking for a townie certificate... Considering the dark green and bloody history of Coag's accursed emblem, seems pretty brazen. Oh and his first vote, although a light hearted one, was on Mocsta... yeah maybe hes scum? Extremely reckless if thats the case, doesn't ultimately read red to me.
6: Jar Jar: least scummy of the bunch, has his own thoughts, pushes his own reads, generally helps town, I can elaborate if anyone likes but if you read through his filter you can see that although sherlock he aint, hes certainly doing more for town than anyone else on this list,(admittedly not saying much.)
Thats all for now, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them tomorrow, it's been a long day, gl and good night town.
Oh and regardless of all this, no reason to not vote round. Hurray for free lynch!
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