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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 01:16 GMT
#5034
That's an excellent case Tica

##vote: ritoky
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 01:44 GMT
#5041
On June 21 2014 10:38 ritoky wrote:
and so people can stop trying to interpret my thought process, i will tell you it:

step 1) let's read mafia thread
step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother
step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up
step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her
step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive
step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions
step 7) cascade into flames
step 8) rescind claim
step 9) probably get lynched for bad play


I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for posting it ahead to time.

Question, what did you mean in step 5?

Also, if you decided to fake claim a red on 27nb before you went in, why didn't you wait for 27nb to be on? From how you came out, it sounds a lot more like you decided redcheck 27nb after coming out as cop.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 02:06 GMT
#5055
On June 21 2014 10:53 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 10:44 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 10:38 ritoky wrote:
and so people can stop trying to interpret my thought process, i will tell you it:

step 1) let's read mafia thread
step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother
step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up
step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her
step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive
step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions
step 7) cascade into flames
step 8) rescind claim
step 9) probably get lynched for bad play


I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for posting it ahead to time.

Question, what did you mean in step 5?

Also, if you decided to fake claim a red on 27nb before you went in, why didn't you wait for 27nb to be on? From how you came out, it sounds a lot more like you decided redcheck 27nb after coming out as cop.


27nb posted like an hour or 2 before I made the claim the she was around and babysitting (might have had times wrong) so I thought she was here.

Re step 5: people were going to push for checks either before or after the reaction, it is not uncommon (at least where I come from) to half-heartedly tunnel on your n1 green check as a cop. plus chrom was in the thread so he could give response to the situation.


I still don't understand your step 5 though. You are not the cop, so what does Chrom's green check have to do with anything?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 02:20 GMT
#5058
On June 21 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 11:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 10:53 ritoky wrote:
On June 21 2014 10:44 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 10:38 ritoky wrote:
and so people can stop trying to interpret my thought process, i will tell you it:

step 1) let's read mafia thread
step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother
step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up
step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her
step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive
step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions
step 7) cascade into flames
step 8) rescind claim
step 9) probably get lynched for bad play


I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for posting it ahead to time.

Question, what did you mean in step 5?

Also, if you decided to fake claim a red on 27nb before you went in, why didn't you wait for 27nb to be on? From how you came out, it sounds a lot more like you decided redcheck 27nb after coming out as cop.


27nb posted like an hour or 2 before I made the claim the she was around and babysitting (might have had times wrong) so I thought she was here.

Re step 5: people were going to push for checks either before or after the reaction, it is not uncommon (at least where I come from) to half-heartedly tunnel on your n1 green check as a cop. plus chrom was in the thread so he could give response to the situation.


I still don't understand your step 5 though. You are not the cop, so what does Chrom's green check have to do with anything?


If you claim cop, people will ask for checks. They always do, even if you fake claim and rescind; they always ask for every check. So you need to have checks thought up. So I thought up a basic reason for a green check on chrom, mostly because he was here and I wanted to interact with him (since I had him as scum and every1 i town read had him as town).

If you're looking for a good answer, you're not in luck. It was bad play.


I'm trying to see this from a perspective where the play wasn't planned well.

So you needed to have some fake green check, I understand that. But to put your #1 scum as the greencheck isn't the something I can see you doing 'on-the-whim'. If I was cornered and needed to produce a fake greencheck right away, I would say marv.

I'll give this some more thought, but things just aren't lining up atm.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 02:39 GMT
#5064
On June 21 2014 11:23 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 11:20 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:
On June 21 2014 11:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 10:53 ritoky wrote:
On June 21 2014 10:44 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 10:38 ritoky wrote:
and so people can stop trying to interpret my thought process, i will tell you it:

step 1) let's read mafia thread
step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother
step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up
step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her
step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive
step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions
step 7) cascade into flames
step 8) rescind claim
step 9) probably get lynched for bad play


I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for posting it ahead to time.

Question, what did you mean in step 5?

Also, if you decided to fake claim a red on 27nb before you went in, why didn't you wait for 27nb to be on? From how you came out, it sounds a lot more like you decided redcheck 27nb after coming out as cop.


27nb posted like an hour or 2 before I made the claim the she was around and babysitting (might have had times wrong) so I thought she was here.

Re step 5: people were going to push for checks either before or after the reaction, it is not uncommon (at least where I come from) to half-heartedly tunnel on your n1 green check as a cop. plus chrom was in the thread so he could give response to the situation.


I still don't understand your step 5 though. You are not the cop, so what does Chrom's green check have to do with anything?


If you claim cop, people will ask for checks. They always do, even if you fake claim and rescind; they always ask for every check. So you need to have checks thought up. So I thought up a basic reason for a green check on chrom, mostly because he was here and I wanted to interact with him (since I had him as scum and every1 i town read had him as town).

If you're looking for a good answer, you're not in luck. It was bad play.


I'm trying to see this from a perspective where the play wasn't planned well.

So you needed to have some fake green check, I understand that. But to put your #1 scum as the greencheck isn't the something I can see you doing 'on-the-whim'. If I was cornered and needed to produce a fake greencheck right away, I would say marv.

I'll give this some more thought, but things just aren't lining up atm.


why would any1 night 1 check marv after he led the lynch on a mafia, even more a mafia that reduced kp?

you wouldn't have been believed lol.


You're right, but if I'm going to be looking at this from a perspective of a bad play, I can't rule out poor decisions.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 02:42 GMT
#5066
On June 21 2014 11:39 Rainbows wrote:
everytime i get close to lynching CR someone takes it away from me.

this game is ass.


how would you feel if i told you that you were town?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 02:52 GMT
#5072
On June 21 2014 11:48 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 11:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 11:45 batsnacks wrote:
On June 21 2014 11:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 11:23 batsnacks wrote:
Anyway every time I sheep marv town dies, so I won't be doing that today.

##Vote: marv


This vote is even more stupid than the vote on me.


What are you going to do about it?


Vote ritoky then lynch you tomorrow.

I feel like that is a pretty good plan.


Why not vote marv with me? At least consider it as an alternative to your plan.


I feel that if you are going to vote marv, SnB needs to flip first. The vote on day 1 was between SnB and a mafia. Would be extremely weird for marv to take the lynch off a town and onto his mafia buddy, costing them 1 kp. I can see him doing it if SnB was mafia though.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 03:10 GMT
#5079
On June 21 2014 11:58 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 11:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 11:48 batsnacks wrote:
On June 21 2014 11:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 11:45 batsnacks wrote:
On June 21 2014 11:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 11:23 batsnacks wrote:
Anyway every time I sheep marv town dies, so I won't be doing that today.

##Vote: marv


This vote is even more stupid than the vote on me.


What are you going to do about it?


Vote ritoky then lynch you tomorrow.

I feel like that is a pretty good plan.


Why not vote marv with me? At least consider it as an alternative to your plan.


I feel that if you are going to vote marv, SnB needs to flip first. The vote on day 1 was between SnB and a mafia. Would be extremely weird for marv to take the lynch off a town and onto his mafia buddy, costing them 1 kp. I can see him doing it if SnB was mafia though.


I'm not saying you're wrong but lets be real. No one is going to switch off of ritoky because it's the easy answer and people want the easy answer. Ritoky made a mistake and now everyone gets to punish him for it. That's what people like doing. I don't think the easy answer is the correct one this time so screw the majority I'm voting marv for now.


I'm glad we are keeping this case open though. There is so much information here that if we look enough, we can determine a very high likelihood if ritoky is town or if ritoky is mafia. Every lynch after this will be more of a coinflip because nobody will pull another ritoky. If we only get two mislynches, I sincerely hope this isn't one of them.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 03:47 GMT
#5097
On June 21 2014 12:36 ritoky wrote:
question for anyone and everyone who wants to answer: when i flip VT, who do you think looked the worst amidst all of this? why?

if you don't believe i am VT, then replace "when i flip" with "in the world that i flip"


If you have an idea on this, you can post it. If you flip VT, we'll take your reads into account, otherwise we'll just ignore it. The most likely case is that there's not enough people active to swing the votes in any other way.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 05:06 GMT
#5129
On June 21 2014 14:03 ritoky wrote:
i sincerely hope obiwan is mafia because that is a piss poor attitude for a town to have.

can understand bunnies though, i have fake red checked her in 2 of the 4 games we have played together


have either of them worked?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 05:22 GMT
#5144
On June 21 2014 14:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 14:15 ritoky wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Nope, i didn't get recruited.


oh, well in the end game listing i swore it said you got recruited...must have been part of that mod error.

Must have been, cause i never got a message.

But anyway, it doesnt matter if I was recuited or not. You fake claimed red on me when i was town.

Both times.

And this time.

Your read on me is awful.


Was he town those times? Was it just as bad as this one?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 05:30 GMT
#5149
On June 21 2014 14:24 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 14:22 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:15 ritoky wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Nope, i didn't get recruited.


oh, well in the end game listing i swore it said you got recruited...must have been part of that mod error.

Must have been, cause i never got a message.

But anyway, it doesnt matter if I was recuited or not. You fake claimed red on me when i was town.

Both times.

And this time.

Your read on me is awful.


Was he town those times? Was it just as bad as this one?


i've never not rolled town on TL forums. not a signle time.

and she's not giving credit to my read on her, it was dead on in 2/3 games. to be determined after this game if it's 75% or 50%.


If you've had this much practice redclaiming 27nb when you're town, I would expect a lot better this time.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 05:32 GMT
#5151
On June 21 2014 14:24 batsnacks wrote:
Look at this:

Before ritoky fake claimed:

Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 06:11 Amiko wrote:
Chairman Ray (2*): marvellosity, roundabound, ExO_, Holyflare, roundabound
Ketomai (1): rainbows
TicaTica (1): 27ninjabunnies
StrongandBig (1): roundabound, Chairman Ray
ritoky (2): VayneAuthority, TicaTica
27ninjabunnies (2): marvellosity, strongandbig, ExO_


After ritoky fake claimed:

Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 06:31 Amiko wrote:
Chairman Ray (0): marvellosity, roundabound, ExO_, Holyflare, roundabound
Ketomai (0): Rainbows
TicaTica (1): 27ninjabunnies
StrongandBig (1): roundabound, Chairman Ray
ritoky (2): VayneAuthority, TicaTica
27ninjabunnies (6): marvellosity, strongandbig, ExO_, marvellosity, roundabound, Holyflare, Rainbows
roundabound (1): Alakaslam


After the thread realized ritoky fake claimed:

Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 12:56 Amiko wrote:
Chairman Ray (0): marvellosity, roundabound, ExO_, Holyflare, roundabound
Ketomai (0): Rainbows
TicaTica (0): 27ninjabunnies
strongandbig (0): roundabound, Chairman Ray
ritoky (11): VayneAuthority, TicaTica, Rainbows, Chromatically, Alakaslam, ExO_, Holyflare, Chairman Ray, marvellosity, strongandbig, 27ninjabunnies, Chairman Ray, ketomai
27ninjabunnies (0): marvellosity, strongandbig, ExO_, marvellosity, roundabound, Holyflare, Rainbows
roundabound (0): Alakaslam
marvellosity (1): batsnacks


vayne and Tica have been on ritoky the whole time

rainbows, holyflare, and marv switched votes from bunnies to ritoky when the fake claim was discovered

snb and exo switched from bunnies to ritoky when the fake claim was discovered


What's the conclusion from this?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 05:33 GMT
#5153
On June 21 2014 14:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
yeah, im gonna vote nb.

if town still cares at this point youll follow me. killing someone whos making a stupid move and essentially killing himself is probably not the way to go. its highly unlikely this guy is mafia.

in fact, if you go back and look at YOSO he reminds me so much of caller that i cant help but see the parallels. im not voting him today and i dont care if that makes me look bad or not.


Is there a case on nb being mafia?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 05:38 GMT
#5159
On June 21 2014 14:33 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 14:30 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:24 ritoky wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:22 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:15 ritoky wrote:
On June 21 2014 14:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Nope, i didn't get recruited.


oh, well in the end game listing i swore it said you got recruited...must have been part of that mod error.

Must have been, cause i never got a message.

But anyway, it doesnt matter if I was recuited or not. You fake claimed red on me when i was town.

Both times.

And this time.

Your read on me is awful.


Was he town those times? Was it just as bad as this one?


i've never not rolled town on TL forums. not a signle time.

and she's not giving credit to my read on her, it was dead on in 2/3 games. to be determined after this game if it's 75% or 50%.


If you've had this much practice redclaiming 27nb when you're town, I would expect a lot better this time.


btw you still haven't responded to my question.

who, outside of me, do you think looks most scummy from this entire interaction? why?


I think your alignment will give us important info, but this entire interaction is null. If you flip VT, it was perfectly reasonable for mafia to push on you, passively vote you, or defend you for town cred. It's also perfectly reasonable for town to do all these things. I'm not gonna speculate too deeply into this now because you haven't flipped yet.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 05:42 GMT
#5162
Confirmed town
VayneAuthority
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 05:54 GMT
#5170
I don't know what it means either =S
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 06:03 GMT
#5181
On June 21 2014 14:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
CR is actually doing the exact same thing so he needs to die as well.


I don't understand what you are referring to but okay
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 06:14 GMT
#5190
OWS, could you explain to me where I'm doing the white-knighting thing and why that makes me mafia in your eyes?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 21 2014 06:23 GMT
#5202
On June 21 2014 15:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2014 15:14 Chairman Ray wrote:
OWS, could you explain to me where I'm doing the white-knighting thing and why that makes me mafia in your eyes?


day 2.

and also your "lynching for information" post in regards to ritoky was so unbelievably bad that you should die for that alone.


I'm not lynching ritoky for information. My vote is currently on ritoky because the way in which he came out as cop does not line up at all with a town fakeclaiming cop to pressure someone.
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