The only problem I have with rayn's plan is that Mafia could pretty easily narrow down who are the Detective, Medic and Jailkeeper (remove the KP roles from the possibilities, then the Mafia team members, and you already have a very good chance at hitting one of the most pro-town roles).

I guess it's still more beneficial to keep the KP roles in check and avoid rogue KP at obvious townies. Basically scum need to do town's bidding or claim scum (if they get KP roles which seems likely). It's obviously good if either of those options happen.

Also: Survivor should definitely claim ASAP. If there's a CC, then it's pretty obvious that the first claimer is Mafia (since Mafia would never sacrifice themselves for no good reason like that). If there's no CC, then it's pretty certain that he actually is the Survivor. All in all, I don't really see any reason for scum to fakeclaim Survivor at this point. Later on, yes, but not now. That's why Survivor should claim ASAP.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 05 2014 11:50 GMT

#328

KP roles are one-shot though and the most important "town" roles can be used several times. And they purely benefit town and can't possibly kill townies.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 05 2014 11:53 GMT

#331

Oh actually Vigilante has 2KP and Assassin has possibly 2KP. That makes them a bit more powerful indeed.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 05 2014 11:59 GMT

#336

Yeah, it also eliminates some duplicates (and obviously it's more beneficial for town to "waste" as few roles as possible since almost certainly scum will each get a role anyways).

On March 05 2014 20:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
With my plan assassin/night vigi in mafia hands can't possibly have 2 KP.

How come?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 05 2014 12:02 GMT

#338

On March 05 2014 20:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
haha.
Xatalos mafia.

On March 05 2014 20:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Survivor normally votes and does protown stuff early. Xata scum.

Also LOL

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 05 2014 12:07 GMT

#341

Ahhh ok. I guess it's best to enforce a strict policy to prevent townies using YOLO KP. It would make sense to consider the KP as just additional lynches.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 05 2014 12:23 GMT

#349

On March 05 2014 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote:
##vote: Xatalos
bcz scum.

If you say so.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 05 2014 12:24 GMT

#350

By the way, I haven't actually picked my numbers yet, but I'm seriously considering the ones I "claimed" earlier. Mostly it was meant to gather reactions as well as to create some fun mindgames to play.

Well, it seems like only rayn and Oats really took the bait. I think this makes them both townier, since it would have, in fact, been pretty anti-town to pick my numbers right away (it would render any glorious upcoming plan pretty much useless). Also it's usually more towny to instantly take a hard stance. AND rayn likes to be more aggressive/reckless as town from my experience. marv's reaction was meh, pretty much null. I slightly disliked Artanis's reaction of soft-defending me. That seems like the classic "scummy reaction" of not really committing to any stance, but gaining slight favor in my eyes. Also I can never completely trust Artanis again after how I was fooled last time, it's too bad

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 05 2014 12:28 GMT

#354

I can do that. Also, why would I lie about something like this that's easily verifiable? Just lol.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 05 2014 12:31 GMT

#357

On March 05 2014 21:28 marvellosity wrote:
why would you make a dumb reaction test? Just lol.

Why not? It seemed like the best use of my limited time as I was going to sleep yesterday. Or I could have just played Artanis's adventure game.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 05 2014 12:34 GMT

#361

On March 05 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dude you are not really helping atm if you are town. There are a lot of things being talked about and the only things you managed to say is "btw i picked my numbers, suck it" which is anti-town as fuck and you did form some reads regarding it, and then you said "think there is a problem with the plan but the plan might also be good".

btw you must absolutely not pick the numbers you claimed, at least change one number to prove you are not bullshitting right here right now.

I said that I can support the plan but that it's not 100% good. I don't think that's really wishy-washy or anything. Just fact.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 05 2014 12:36 GMT

#363

On March 05 2014 21:32 marvellosity wrote:

Show nested quote +

Because it gains next to nothing and only serves to confuse town on your motives rather than provide something tangibly useful.

In short you are saying "just lol" because you are perceiving something to be dumb, but you did a dumb thing in the first place, you just don't perceive it that way.

Maybe if you didn't do dumb things in the first place (if you're town) then people wouldn't draw incorrect conclusions based on what you said, hmm?

It's just the way I play. I like WIFOM and getting reactions out of players. I generally suck at reading a thread objectively and nailing the scumteam from just that.