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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:32 GMT
#2418
I'd really want a medium here so we could ask marv if he roleblocked anyone :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:41 GMT
#2422
Certainly not Oats (no role) or Hopeless (he talked a lot about seeing his action etc.). Or you (you were going to protect him after all). Or me or LSB. I guess Palmar/prplhz/gumshoe could be potential targets. Or then he just didn't RB anyone.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:44 GMT
#2424
Hmm, I guess gumshoe is the most likely option. If he became a Super-Vet-PGO with immunity to RB, then it would also explain the night actions. That's already stretching the limits of realism though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:45 GMT
#2425
gumshoe, are you fifth-dimensional planar dragon? Are you?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:48 GMT
#2428
LSB, you didn't read the part where it was confirmed that you're essentially a vanilla at this point.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:48 GMT
#2429
"I'm going to assume that the mafia role PM tells you if you are "Goon, GF, or Roleblocker" and then you can select an additional ability off of that."

Was this straight from the ScumQT?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:52 GMT
#2432
Hmm, dunno why scum LSB would claim that gumshoe is town though. It's the only realistic other option for today :/

Who would you propose then LSB?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:53 GMT
#2435
On March 10 2014 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:46 LSB wrote:
The whole entire "Palmar can't have two abilities" argument is so bullshit really. You are willing to accept Gumshoe having 3 abilities but not palmar having two?

Gumshoe getting +1 vest and a PGO ability would fit with the role of veteran and it's two defensive abilities, versus another offensive ability for palmar plus some ability for him to prevent a hit on gumshoe (why would he do that?), or him busdriving. Tell me, how does a busdriving assassin make any sense?!


This needs a Paint picture. Badly.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:56 GMT
#2437
Dunno. This game seems to hardly make any sense. I guess there's something huge we're missing... But I somehow can't picture how gumshoe could be scum with his Veteran role.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:59 GMT
#2440
On March 10 2014 07:56 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:52 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm, dunno why scum LSB would claim that gumshoe is town though. It's the only realistic other option for today :/

Who would you propose then LSB?

Lynching prphz or Palmar.


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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:02 GMT
#2442
I doubt that prplhz or Palmar would suddenly gain a bus driver ability in addition to their KP. Pretty much the only role where it really makes sense is if it replaces one of the (for Mafia) useless JOAT powers.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:04 GMT
#2444
On March 10 2014 08:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:53 Xatalos wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:46 LSB wrote:
The whole entire "Palmar can't have two abilities" argument is so bullshit really. You are willing to accept Gumshoe having 3 abilities but not palmar having two?

Gumshoe getting +1 vest and a PGO ability would fit with the role of veteran and it's two defensive abilities, versus another offensive ability for palmar plus some ability for him to prevent a hit on gumshoe (why would he do that?), or him busdriving. Tell me, how does a busdriving assassin make any sense?!


This needs a Paint picture. Badly.

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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:06 GMT
#2446
LSB, what do you think of lynching gumshoe?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:18 GMT
#2456
I'm trying to wrap my head around if this a good WIFOM plan by LSB or if he's simply town. There are several things that point to town:

1) Clear belief that I would return green if I checked him
2) Unwillingness to lynch the easiest possible mislynch
3) Wrong assumptions about how the Mafia roles would work

I have to admit that LSB is doing a good job of playing innocent if he's scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:22 GMT
#2459
On March 10 2014 08:18 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 08:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:13 LSB wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:08 LSB wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:06 Xatalos wrote:
LSB, what do you think of lynching gumshoe?

Horrible idea, gumshoe is confirmed town in my explanation. That's what I'm hoping to make clear to you guys at least

True: I jailed Marvellosity.
True: RBer takes precedence over jailing.
Likely: Marvellosity RBed Gumshoe.
Plausible: The person that Marv visited killed him
Plausible: A scum veteran role could turn into a PGO-like role as it makes sense for the flavour of the role
Why is Gumshoe confirmed town again?



If Gumshoe is PGO why didn't hoplelessder die last night?

Perhaps only the first person that visits him dies. It makes sense as Marv's action takes precedence over a vig shot.

So you assume three things for Gumshoe to be mafia.

1) Marv RBed Gumshoe - Most likely
2) Gumshoe has extra Lives / immune to night KP - on top of vet, really?
3) Gumshoe has a PGO ability that only targets the first person that visits him at night - Okay this is just getting silly

For anyone else to be mafia, they would need a bus drive ability. Just one assumption.


I do agree that this is a far-fetched theory. But it's also quite far-fetched that Palmar or prplhz would receive a bus driving ability on top of their already powerful KP roles.... And they're also otherwise towny. That would really just leave you.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:28 GMT
#2461
On March 10 2014 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
We lynch Gumshoe today.
Fin.


I'd say LSB deserves to live more than gumshoe for now in any case. Clearly gumshoe isn't going to bring anything new to the table, but at least LSB is doing stuff (and also appearing pretty towny in some ways). While I still think that LSB is the most likely to have a bus driving ability, we lose nothing by lynching gumshoe (and it's not impossible for the PGO theory to be true).

##Unvote
##Vote gumshoe
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:31 GMT
#2462
Btw didn't notice this before. Much reasoning, such ninja

On March 10 2014 03:56 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote:Lsb
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:32 GMT
#2466
You're conceding?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:33 GMT
#2467
On March 10 2014 08:32 Xatalos wrote:
You're conceding?


@gumshoe
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:34 GMT
#2468
On March 10 2014 08:31 gumshoe wrote:
Alright, honestly I don't think much more could be expected of me this game XD god speed town, god save the jail keeper.


This just felt a LOT like scum giving up.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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