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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:17 GMT
#573
Of course (1) is true Wave. As town you can always explain why you do stuff.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:24 GMT
#577
On February 26 2014 14:19 gumshoe wrote:
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On February 26 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:10 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay let's go from the beginning.
gumshoe, when you made this post:
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On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

..did you think suki is scummy or not?


I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left.

Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything.
Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread.
Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve?
What happens if suki answers (a)?
What happens if suki answers (b)?
What happens if she answers something else?

In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)?


I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand.


Okay two questions:
1) Why do you ask questions that have no purpose behind them? Townies do things for a reason, usually because they try to ask stuff that makes people reveal their alignment. What's your reason?
2) Where does suki's actual answer put her and why?


1) I am reactive, not proactive, at points in the game I run through filters and find scummy things and build cases around them. Traps, well pointed questions, pressure, is not my forte, when I ask questions, my only goal is to create content, so long as I can get people talking I feel that thier alignment will reveal itself overtime regardless of the discussion itself. This is how I've always played, an answer to a question for me is not a fork in the river, but rather a random water toy sunk to the bottom of a wave pool.

2) She chose not to answer, which puts her at null. As the games goes on, I will probally look back at her reactions and try and put two and two together. At the moment shes not here, so not much to go on.

1) Okay so you are trying to create content with your questioning. Now why did you think asking some random questions is a better way to create content than asking about her scumreads?
2) See (1). Also how can you look at her reactions to this particular happening "later on" when you don't know what to expect in the first place?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:27 GMT
#579
Like the purpose of your post i quoted in the first place is totally unclear to me.
You don't think suki is mafia, yet you say she looks scummy.
You ask her questions, which do not help you in any way.
You don't expect anything, and when she does something that says nothing you get nothing out of it.

What was the point of the post in your opinion?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:29 GMT
#581
The problem is there seems to be no train of thought..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:36 GMT
#585
Okay i agree with Wave. Let's do something else than question gumshoe about this, idk what to think, maybe time will tell.

TheChyz you seem to think JJD is mafia, why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:43 GMT
#589
On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image.

That's totally not what he is saying.
I am amazed how anyone who actually reads the post and the rest of the page it was posted in with any thought can think like this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:45 GMT
#590
TheChyz; if you think that's what he is saying why don't you think he is mafia?
You just said there is a mafia motivation but no town motivation so why is JJD not mafia then?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:50 GMT
#595
On February 26 2014 14:47 gumshoe wrote:
I think the real question you need to ask yourself Rayn is this, if I'm scum, what do I gain by flip flopping? If suki's town, I just keep pushing her, makes me look consistent and helpful, if Suki's scum why bus her in the first place only to flip flop?

Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript.

I don't know. I have no idea what would your goal be from any perspective tbh.. That's why i don't push it further. It does not answer anything, jsut raises more question that will never be answered because you are gumshoe.

I don't know what exactly do you mean with "dense" on geript, but yeah, he's quite meh atm.. I find it very unlikely he would read the thread and people's intentions this carelessly as town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:51 GMT
#596
On February 26 2014 14:49 TheChyz wrote:
NVM on the JJD case. I'm retarded and kept thinking he was refering to mocsta and not gumshoe. I also don't call him mafia cause 1 scummy thing from a person doesn't mean they are mafia.

Actually yes it does.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:57 GMT
#600
gumshoe why did you ask me about geript? I think i have pretty clearly stated what i think of geript before you asked.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 06:01 GMT
#603
On February 26 2014 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript has really been misguided a lot in this game.
Like everything he has talked about he has been misguided or "misguided" in.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 06:01 GMT
#604
On February 26 2014 14:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well geript, you interpretation of me <-> Toad exchange is a big pile of i don't even know what but you are clearly not on the same page with us and your case on JJD is based on him talking about himself when he is actually talking about gumshoe which is in fact very easy to see if you read the post in question in context.

On February 26 2014 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 26 2014 14:03 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well geript, you interpretation of me <-> Toad exchange is a big pile of i don't even know what but you are clearly not on the same page with us and your case on JJD is based on him talking about himself when he is actually talking about gumshoe which is in fact very easy to see if you read the post in question in context.

That's not the point. The point is that he's aware of 'scumminess" but not pushing anything in either direction. IDK, I just don't get you Rayn.

He clearly says gumshoe is scummy for sheeping Mocsta's bad case. no?

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 06:13 GMT
#609
On February 26 2014 15:04 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 15:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript has really been misguided a lot in this game.
Like everything he has talked about he has been misguided or "misguided" in.



Do you feel somewhat sympathetic towards Geript because of how hes treated you?(ironic considering his whole case on toad is that he buddied you).

How do you expect a scum Geript to play?

What? I think he is scummy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 06:15 GMT
#610
On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote:
You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't.

Kinda funny you say this because in your last game you called someone scum for their first post.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 06:20 GMT
#613
On February 26 2014 15:16 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 15:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 15:04 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 15:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript has really been misguided a lot in this game.
Like everything he has talked about he has been misguided or "misguided" in.



Do you feel somewhat sympathetic towards Geript because of how hes treated you?(ironic considering his whole case on toad is that he buddied you).

How do you expect a scum Geript to play?

What? I think he is scummy.


See I dont get that from your posts, you portray him as misguided and foolish, is that the same as scummy to you?

Well that's why i said "misguided or "misguided" ".
I don't know what he is yet, if i had to say i'd say scum because he made really bad cases last game he was scum in but i need to see more from him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 06:27 GMT
#616
On February 26 2014 15:19 TheChyz wrote:
Ye, I played reckless. So I'm not allowed to play differently and have my philosophies change? Don't know what your leading to. All your doing is pointing out a playstyle that you probably don't agree with. Doesn't mean you have to like it. And im pretty sure both you and I would actually rather try to look for actual scum then keep talking about this thread clogging argument. Yes?

I am pointing out that there is ~25 pages of content, you have pointed out one thing that you thought is scummy but it's not scummy after all and that's all you have had to say.

I don't know why you think this is a better playstyle than being "reckless" (i don't even know what do you mean by that) but i can tell you it definitely is not.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 06:31 GMT
#617
On February 26 2014 11:16 TheChyz wrote:
Ionno suki, are you going to come in and provide any attempt at reads or just ask questions all day long?

As per your question, I have hunches on some things, but nothing I feel is actually worth saying atm.

This is actually valuable for people trying to read you, so please, what are these hunches you were talking about?
Could you point out the specific posts.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 07:14 GMT
#620
TheChyz can you answer my last post?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 07:47 GMT
#627
On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:
kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
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On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)

A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.



All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points:
1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything.
2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant.
3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him.
4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.

In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.

Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.

##Vote geript

Is this a response to me?
Also you said "some hunches" in plural. What were the others?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 07:52 GMT
#628
I dunno but i think Mocsta just scumslipped.
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