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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:11 GMT
#511
He gives her no options that make her look good-towny.

And this is very much bullshit because it's impossible as if suki is a "good-towny" she'll disagree and get into argument with gumshoe.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:14 GMT
#513
In fact suki didn't have any real objections to gumshoe's post.. hmmzz..
Maybe Holyflare got it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:22 GMT
#519
So if gumshoe is mafia and suki is town as you are impyling here why is suki not making a big deal out of gumshoe's totally bullshit artificial scumread with bad reasoning on her?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:25 GMT
#521
And why is your vote still on gumshoe. I guarantee you he is town. Even if i am mafia that's a 100% read.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:29 GMT
#526
On February 26 2014 13:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
According to you, if suki thinks gumshoe could be town she has no reason to respond in a rage to his post. Or is that solely something that's supposed to come from me because I know gumshoe's meta?

No i am saying i do think it's odd that you don't find it odd that a case that is really bad to you doesn't seem any bad to suki, who is the target of the case. Usually townies, when facing a bad case against them call it bad and are very vocal about it, especially when we are talking about suki here, who calls all the cases against her bad when she is town.

So this is not odd at all to you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:36 GMT
#534
gumshoe if suki had said she was a) nervous or b) baiting how would that have made her mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:37 GMT
#535
##unvote
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:39 GMT
#537
Yes that's why i am asking him about this now.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:41 GMT
#539
No actually Wave there is something behind this that i don't understand and gumshoe needs to explain. He is saying different things.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:43 GMT
#544
Okay so gumshoe:

  • First you say "suki is either mafia or A or B"
  • Then you say "i wanted to ask about A or B because they would be scummy answers and there is no reason to ask about townie answers"
  • Now you say "actually answering A or B would not make her scum at all"


Now how does any of this make any sense?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:44 GMT
#545
Like that's what you literally say and everything contradicts the last thing you say...
Why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:47 GMT
#546
No fuck.. Damn your posts are hard to read gumshoe. Wait a sec, i gotta read all of this crap again.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:53 GMT
#554
Okay let's go from the beginning.
gumshoe, when you made this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

..did you think suki is scummy or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 04:55 GMT
#557
geript has really been misguided a lot in this game.
Like everything he has talked about he has been misguided or "misguided" in.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:00 GMT
#560
Well geript, you interpretation of me <-> Toad exchange is a big pile of i don't even know what but you are clearly not on the same page with us and your case on JJD is based on him talking about himself when he is actually talking about gumshoe which is in fact very easy to see if you read the post in question in context.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:04 GMT
#563
On February 26 2014 14:03 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well geript, you interpretation of me <-> Toad exchange is a big pile of i don't even know what but you are clearly not on the same page with us and your case on JJD is based on him talking about himself when he is actually talking about gumshoe which is in fact very easy to see if you read the post in question in context.

That's not the point. The point is that he's aware of 'scumminess" but not pushing anything in either direction. IDK, I just don't get you Rayn.

He clearly says gumshoe is scummy for sheeping Mocsta's bad case. no?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:06 GMT
#564
On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay let's go from the beginning.
gumshoe, when you made this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

..did you think suki is scummy or not?


I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left.

Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything.
Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread.
Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve?
What happens if suki answers (a)?
What happens if suki answers (b)?
What happens if she answers something else?

In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:11 GMT
#567
On February 26 2014 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn if gumshoe is 100% town (and presumably your earlier scumreads in that list seem to be based on other people jumping on him) where does that put JJD?

I retract from my townread on gumshoe.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:13 GMT
#568
On February 26 2014 14:10 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay let's go from the beginning.
gumshoe, when you made this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

..did you think suki is scummy or not?


I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left.

Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything.
Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread.
Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve?
What happens if suki answers (a)?
What happens if suki answers (b)?
What happens if she answers something else?

In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)?


I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand.


Okay two questions:
1) Why do you ask questions that have no purpose behind them? Townies do things for a reason, usually because they try to ask stuff that makes people reveal their alignment. What's your reason?
2) Where does suki's actual answer put her and why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
February 26 2014 05:16 GMT
#572
On February 26 2014 14:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn if gumshoe is 100% town (and presumably your earlier scumreads in that list seem to be based on other people jumping on him) where does that put JJD?

I retract from my townread on gumshoe.

Well that's stupid.
What about your own meta shit on him?

I thought i knew what he was doing, apparently i didn't.
Also my read on Mocsta or anyone has nothing to do with their read on gumshoe (like i don't do connection cases - i didn't think yo uare scum because you think my townread is scum).
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