On March 07 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote: Wave... Don't be scum plzzz
I looked at chyz's filter and it did look pretty good but now that geript flipped town it looks a lot worse - town reading toad with no explanation and out of the blue when he shouldn't have been. Only calling people scummy but not interacting with them based on that, called out geript etc for the push on toad and didn't look for elaboration from either of the two. Now I've also lost my train of thought but there was more that i read that looked weird.
Will re-read when i wake up just to make sure
I'm sad that apparently you mind losing to me but I don't mind losing to you. (Well I don't want to lose, but still.) Can we both agree we don't want to lose to gumshoe?
Hey I've earned this win if im scum : P for me, the key things to keep in mind with Chyz is 1)suki made her case on him long after the thread started tearing him apart
2) they both had convinient buffer votes, so that they wouldnt have to follow through with thier threats.
3)Toad declined to talk about chyz, and had him firmly at null, similar to how suki aproached toad and toad aproached suki.
I've learned my lesson, this scum team have only been willing to buddy townies.
My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up.
This comes out of Suki, she hard defends jar jar, so that he looks bad when she falls, or vice versa. Wos, I dont know if you realized this but toad and suki have done much the same with you.
Suki
I like Wave's case on Vivax and it was one of the ones that stood out to me when I was rereading the thread.
I have a strong townread on Wave and I'd be willing to sheep him on Vivax.
Toad
honestly WoS is probably between "probably town" and "townie as shit" but didn't want to get a 4th green color.
As for what this scum team is thinking, its pretty simple, toad looks townie by fighting with geript always and forever, chyz and suki fight but always have one scum read ahead so that they never need to vote for one another, otherwise they dodge questions about eachother and green read obvius townies. Oh and Toad/chyz felt the shot literally HAD to hit town if scum wanted to win. The end.
On March 07 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Reading through his filter he mentions toad I think once? And he only talks about suki right near the end of the day. Almost all of his cases/points/discussions are around townies he finds scummy (which technically would be similar of a lot of people, me included).
I'm actually not sure he gives anyone a townread at all all game though.... Re-re-reading.
The key thing is that he yolos onto Geript almost all of day 1, that way he indirectly defends toad and avoids voting for suki.
On March 03 2014 09:09 TheChyz wrote: Also cav, what is the point of wanting to lynch your target? You wanted him lynched before you told us you are cop. If you really are cop that what is the point of lynching your target? Save him for the next night phase so you can actually get a read on him and go after someone else. Makes no sense to me, what was your thought process of wanting to go with the JJD lynch. Looks like it only benefits you if you are scum and nothing else.
Does that post come from scum? If so, how?
Because scum shoot cav and then we still have to deal with Jar Jar.
On March 07 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Reading through his filter he mentions toad I think once? And he only talks about suki right near the end of the day. Almost all of his cases/points/discussions are around townies he finds scummy (which technically would be similar of a lot of people, me included).
I'm actually not sure he gives anyone a townread at all all game though.... Re-re-reading.
The key thing is that he yolos onto Geript almost all of day 1, that way he indirectly defends toad and avoids voting for suki.
Geript did the same thing, except his vote was on scum.
So? Chyz's vote has him indirectly defending scum, advocating a mislynch, and allows him to avoid putting a vote on his gf. Context is everything.
On March 07 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote: Wave... Don't be scum plzzz
I looked at chyz's filter and it did look pretty good but now that geript flipped town it looks a lot worse - town reading toad with no explanation and out of the blue when he shouldn't have been. Only calling people scummy but not interacting with them based on that, called out geript etc for the push on toad and didn't look for elaboration from either of the two. Now I've also lost my train of thought but there was more that i read that looked weird.
Will re-read when i wake up just to make sure
I'm sad that apparently you mind losing to me but I don't mind losing to you. (Well I don't want to lose, but still.) Can we both agree we don't want to lose to gumshoe?
Hey I've earned this win if im scum : P for me, the key things to keep in mind with Chyz is 1)suki made her case on him long after the thread started tearing him apart
2) they both had convinient buffer votes, so that they wouldnt have to follow through with thier threats.
3)Toad declined to talk about chyz, and had him firmly at null, similar to how suki aproached toad and toad aproached suki.
I've learned my lesson, this scum team have only been willing to buddy townies.
My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up.
This comes out of Suki, she hard defends jar jar, so that he looks bad when she falls, or vice versa. Wos, I dont know if you realized this but toad and suki have done much the same with you.
Suki
I like Wave's case on Vivax and it was one of the ones that stood out to me when I was rereading the thread.
I have a strong townread on Wave and I'd be willing to sheep him on Vivax.
Toad
honestly WoS is probably between "probably town" and "townie as shit" but didn't want to get a 4th green color.
As for what this scum team is thinking, its pretty simple, toad looks townie by fighting with geript always and forever, chyz and suki fight but always have one scum read ahead so that they never need to vote for one another, otherwise they dodge questions about eachother and green read obvius townies. Oh and Toad/chyz felt the shot literally HAD to hit town if scum wanted to win. The end.
To be fair, suki and Toad HAD to find me townie as shit because I was. The only people who ever disagreed with that all game are Rayn (because he calls me scum every game, we fight and then he either believes me or doesn't), Geript (because his meta/behaviour reads of me are terrible), and Vivax (??? but he had to take his vote off me eventually). Suki's never played a game with me so it's doubtful to me that she would want to take me on considering how strongly I played D1. Toad knows I will call him out for bullshit directed at me from Shadow Game (even though we didn't lynch him in the end, I had the right idea to start and I would assume he had no reason to want attention from me---he chose Geript instead who he hasn't really played with and chose poorly there as well because he got the same thing).
Problem is here giving me a townread would be exactly what HF OR Chyz would do here as well. HF knows I can be manipulated (ie VE) and Chyz for the same reasons as suki.
Im sorry wos, your not convincing me that your scum right now, its just not working ) : try to be more persuasive.
On March 07 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Reading through his filter he mentions toad I think once? And he only talks about suki right near the end of the day. Almost all of his cases/points/discussions are around townies he finds scummy (which technically would be similar of a lot of people, me included).
I'm actually not sure he gives anyone a townread at all all game though.... Re-re-reading.
The key thing is that he yolos onto Geript almost all of day 1, that way he indirectly defends toad and avoids voting for suki.
Geript did the same thing, except his vote was on scum.
So? Chyz's vote has him indirectly defending scum, advocating a mislynch, and allows him to avoid putting a vote on his gf. Context is everything.
That's my point. Scum doesn't want to be caught YOLO advocating a mislynch, especially one that he's unlikely to get.
Its even better if hes unlikely to get it, that way hes never proven wrong. He can keep pushing the guy and sound like a useless townie, but a townie nonetheless and he can keep doing that all game, which he pretty much has.
I mean, you could say suki and chyz yolo bussed eachother, but if they never intended to vote one another (unless absolutley forced to) than its not yolo at all.
Similarly if Geript never dies, Chyz just looks obsessed, not unlike Geript.
On March 07 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote: Wave... Don't be scum plzzz
I looked at chyz's filter and it did look pretty good but now that geript flipped town it looks a lot worse - town reading toad with no explanation and out of the blue when he shouldn't have been. Only calling people scummy but not interacting with them based on that, called out geript etc for the push on toad and didn't look for elaboration from either of the two. Now I've also lost my train of thought but there was more that i read that looked weird.
Will re-read when i wake up just to make sure
I'm sad that apparently you mind losing to me but I don't mind losing to you. (Well I don't want to lose, but still.) Can we both agree we don't want to lose to gumshoe?
Hey I've earned this win if im scum : P for me, the key things to keep in mind with Chyz is 1)suki made her case on him long after the thread started tearing him apart
2) they both had convinient buffer votes, so that they wouldnt have to follow through with thier threats.
3)Toad declined to talk about chyz, and had him firmly at null, similar to how suki aproached toad and toad aproached suki.
I've learned my lesson, this scum team have only been willing to buddy townies.
My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up.
This comes out of Suki, she hard defends jar jar, so that he looks bad when she falls, or vice versa. Wos, I dont know if you realized this but toad and suki have done much the same with you.
Suki
I like Wave's case on Vivax and it was one of the ones that stood out to me when I was rereading the thread.
I have a strong townread on Wave and I'd be willing to sheep him on Vivax.
Toad
honestly WoS is probably between "probably town" and "townie as shit" but didn't want to get a 4th green color.
As for what this scum team is thinking, its pretty simple, toad looks townie by fighting with geript always and forever, chyz and suki fight but always have one scum read ahead so that they never need to vote for one another, otherwise they dodge questions about eachother and green read obvius townies. Oh and Toad/chyz felt the shot literally HAD to hit town if scum wanted to win. The end.
To be fair, suki and Toad HAD to find me townie as shit because I was. The only people who ever disagreed with that all game are Rayn (because he calls me scum every game, we fight and then he either believes me or doesn't), Geript (because his meta/behaviour reads of me are terrible), and Vivax (??? but he had to take his vote off me eventually). Suki's never played a game with me so it's doubtful to me that she would want to take me on considering how strongly I played D1. Toad knows I will call him out for bullshit directed at me from Shadow Game (even though we didn't lynch him in the end, I had the right idea to start and I would assume he had no reason to want attention from me---he chose Geript instead who he hasn't really played with and chose poorly there as well because he got the same thing).
Problem is here giving me a townread would be exactly what HF OR Chyz would do here as well. HF knows I can be manipulated (ie VE) and Chyz for the same reasons as suki.
Im sorry wos, your not convincing me that your scum right now, its just not working ) : try to be more persuasive.
lulz.
I'm just trying to pinpoint exactly WHY, if Chyz is the final scum we didn't see it much earlier. I feel like it's kinda rare for any scum to go fooling an entire thread all game. Does marv in Shadow game count? Mebbe he does. Also me in Les Mafia probs. Hmm. Is he mimicking his towngame?
Because until now there were better answers like cav, jar jar, geript, all of which are dead now XD
At the start, I figured suki bussing Chyz was the end of it, no way they were scum together, but now that were faced with a bus of some sort, I realize suki wasnt bussing chyz at all, the two of them never intended to vote one another so long as they had a choice and they didn't have to. Chyz was also not in a position to save suki, as he had called her out as a prime choice for his vote earlier and displayed no animosity towards mocsta.
This in conjunction with Toads attitude twoards Chyz, leads me to bilieve that he is indeed our answer. On top of that, you and holy in thread right now actively solving the game contradicts the very notion that either of you are scum.
On March 07 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Reading through his filter he mentions toad I think once? And he only talks about suki right near the end of the day. Almost all of his cases/points/discussions are around townies he finds scummy (which technically would be similar of a lot of people, me included).
I'm actually not sure he gives anyone a townread at all all game though.... Re-re-reading.
The key thing is that he yolos onto Geript almost all of day 1, that way he indirectly defends toad and avoids voting for suki.
Geript did the same thing, except his vote was on scum.
So? Chyz's vote has him indirectly defending scum, advocating a mislynch, and allows him to avoid putting a vote on his gf. Context is everything.
That's my point. Scum doesn't want to be caught YOLO advocating a mislynch, especially one that he's unlikely to get.
Its even better if hes unlikely to get it, that way hes never proven wrong. He can keep pushing the guy and sound like a useless townie, but a townie nonetheless and he can keep doing that all game, which he pretty much has.
Were you all lynched for it? Was Geript lynched for it this game? I understand it looks bad to you, but it didnt look bad to me and clearly town agreed because we just started seriously considering a lynch on the yolo voters yesterday.
On March 07 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Reading through his filter he mentions toad I think once? And he only talks about suki right near the end of the day. Almost all of his cases/points/discussions are around townies he finds scummy (which technically would be similar of a lot of people, me included).
I'm actually not sure he gives anyone a townread at all all game though.... Re-re-reading.
The key thing is that he yolos onto Geript almost all of day 1, that way he indirectly defends toad and avoids voting for suki.
Geript did the same thing, except his vote was on scum.
So? Chyz's vote has him indirectly defending scum, advocating a mislynch, and allows him to avoid putting a vote on his gf. Context is everything.
That's my point. Scum doesn't want to be caught YOLO advocating a mislynch, especially one that he's unlikely to get.
Its even better if hes unlikely to get it, that way hes never proven wrong. He can keep pushing the guy and sound like a useless townie, but a townie nonetheless and he can keep doing that all game, which he pretty much has.
Were you all lynched for it? Was Geript lynched for it this game? I understand it looks bad to you, but it didnt look bad to me and clearly town agreed because we just started seriously considering a lynch on the yolo voters yesterday.
We should have been. Keirathi was the only one, and it wasn't for that. Like we all agreed on Skype that our votes that day were absolutely fucking retarded. The YOLOvotes have been going through my head specifically for that reason, so maybe you're right that it's only in my head but you should understand that I also did voting analysis in Shadow game along these lines and was completely right (again, not that I followed it properly as the game progressed).
If it's true that I'm one of the only people (if not the only one) in this game who recognizes these kinds of votes to come from scum immediately (at least most of the time, apparently) then we should have lynched geript and Chyz for it ages ago agree, but upon reading the two of them I found both pretty towny. Geript more so than Chyz initially.
Well then youve answered you own question, town is not a policy set arm of the law, it is a collection of nerds who want to be logical heros. They're not going to always make the correct plays because they want to make the awesome ones. Which is why obvius shit like ninja voting and yolo voting can be overlooked, also chyz has noobie meta going for him so the move isnt really that bad.
On March 07 2014 13:07 TheChyz wrote: Ok I just got back, do you mind each asking what questions you want answered from me since there seems like alot but not sure if you still need them answered
Im sorry if youve been asked this before, but why didnt you switch your vote off of geript when we were at 5 5?
2) When you asked that we should lynch someone else cause jar jar was getting modkilled, who did you think we would lynch had we followed your advice?
On March 07 2014 13:07 TheChyz wrote: Ok I just got back, do you mind each asking what questions you want answered from me since there seems like alot but not sure if you still need them answered
Last question, you didn't feel the need to discuss night actions with us at all, why?
On March 07 2014 13:07 TheChyz wrote: Ok I just got back, do you mind each asking what questions you want answered from me since there seems like alot but not sure if you still need them answered
Im sorry if youve been asked this before, but why didnt you switch your vote off of geript when we were at 5 5?
2) When you asked that we should lynch someone else cause jar jar was getting modkilled, who did you think we would lynch had we followed your advice?
Honestly I just didn't like geript's attitude and it was in spite of him. As mentioned many times before I was around deadline so any I would have been able to vote last minute. Honestly I kinda regret it cause that is what everybody starts a case on me with, is that stupid early voting stuff day 1 and other than that nobody really says anything else unless they are grabbing for things from thin air.
I took back my statement because we had something like 30-ish minutes left. And to get town to cooperate in a hectic time frame like that just didn't seem likely. I would have rather gone with a lynch that we talked about for many hours than something cooked up in under an hour. Also I really thought cava was scum b/c of his vote on his check (which still makes no sense to me)
You wanted to lynch cav huh?
I think we should just pick another lynch target. If JJD comes back last minute, cava has a check on him and easy lynch
On March 07 2014 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Eh. It's dumb to be overwhelming him like this. He's already gonna die, if he cares at all about his fate he'll do something about it.
Wos tell me what I just quoted wasn't Objection worthy.
On March 07 2014 13:42 TheChyz wrote: ##vote: no lynch This is the only way that I think that I can help win the game. I don't think I will be able to have a good enough case on WoS or HF to be able to convince all of you that the one who I think is scum actually is. However if it goes to next day I would be hopefully able to make a good enough case so that gum will know why either WoS or HF is scum. Too bad there's no way to actually kill myself without breaking the rules, cause then that would make you guys actually think. Scum can you please kill me night if we dont lynch today, like we can agree that you would probably win vs me in last day but make it entertaining for yourself and for all obsing.
Part of this post is delay---the only tactic he has right now if scum. But part of it.... That bolded section. Is that really scum showing that kind of thinking? Like...if we do as he says and no-lynch one of three things happen: 1) I die tonight, HF/gum lynch Chyz tomorrow and win/lose depending. 2) HF dies tonight, same as above.
Why bother saying this? Ugh.
Other thing that happens is 3) Chyz dies tonight? (Then he's not scum, obvs). From my POV that absolutely confirms HF as scum and so scum loses here... I'm trying to see if it actually makes sense in the end to no-lynch.
Cause he's scum and he has no play. Are you asking me if scum would delay? The answer is yes, are you asking me if scum would martyr? A thousand times yes.
His posting makes no sense cause it's not genuine thought, it reads like bullshit cause it is, he's trying to sound thoughtful and contributive but there's nothing left really to contribute but a confession.
On March 07 2014 14:12 TheChyz wrote: What was your read on me at the end of day 1? Just real quick no going back in thread, i expect a small response with as much as you can remember of the top of your head.
Get pumped guys, chyz isa bouta busta thisa casa wida opana
EPT
