EPTOn February 20 2014 22:19 Palmar wrote:
yeah, koshi has been a bit shit hasn't he?
yeah, koshi has been a bit shit hasn't he?
Especially his last post with reads. It makes no sense to me.
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Especially his last post with reads. It makes no sense to me. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:22 marvellosity wrote: I literally can't be bothered to think about Koshi. If it's a few hours before deadline and I'm not happy then I'll start to worry. Yeah that was just an observation atm. I also didn't like prplhz's last post. I want him to talk about something that's scummy in his opinion. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:24 Koshi wrote: Hey, why can't we love Koshi? Because you should know kush better to not give him a townread and all your "lynchable" players are because of crap reasoning and you even put both suki and Balla to the same category which makes no sense. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:25 Palmar wrote: The one guy I need to read is this balla Don't worry that's most likely gonna be quite easy. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:25 Palmar wrote: If Balla does not post a lot more content he is mafia. | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote: They go together as "#1 didn't cross my mind at that time because I have no idea how someone could come up with it, so I didn't take it into consideration before you mentioned it. Once you did mention it I figured it's possible" wait wait wait. what? | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:35 Toadesstern wrote: I just got back in here finished reading... give me some time but it's actually up in there if you consider the fact that it's a write-up while reading and things changing a little "why didn't you think it's blue? - I have no idea what blue is, so I thought it might be green or yellow and thought that's weird, once you explained what blue is I realized it might be blue" So you are saying you didn't know how i came up with what i did after i said in thread why i came up with it. Explain to me where in your opinion i explain why i came up with what i did. In other words, what happened between the posts of your i quoted? | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:42 Toadesstern wrote: no I'm saying I didn't have the same misunderstanding you had about the phrasing, therefore what you innitially thought didn't cross my mind and wasn't part of my theories what you might be doing with that plan of yours. Once you cleared up that you thought those votes would add up I realized it might make sense given that misunderstanding. I just never had that misunderstanding to begin with which is the reason I couldn't make sense of it. My problem is this. And now, please answer this properly and in detail: You make a post which says this: On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote: @rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. Then there is something that happens between here because you then say this: On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote: Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Now what is that something that happens between these posts? Why do you change your mind and what's the particular post that makes you change your mind? | ||
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On February 20 2014 22:51 Toadesstern wrote: You asked me about my reasoning earlier on. The first part is talking about my stance on you and how I got to that stance from my PoV before you did this post: + Show Spoiler + On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So here we go (marv i would have expected a bit more from you, i am sad): There are three possibilities about my motives and here they are: 1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate. However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at. 2) I did the same pro-town thing as mafia. 3) I just made all this up and and i was just saying shit for no reason at the start of the game. Now here is my question, especially to prplhz, Toad, Palmar and suki; Why did you not try to see what i was/am trying to do and how that would make me whatever alignment. What you did is you took some posts from me and painted them scummy without no thinking behind it. I want to know why. If what i was doing was (1), then i am town. If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment. If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly. So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad? The second part you're quoting is explaining how I realized that your explanation (the above post) makes sense if we take the misunderstanding as a given, which I did not consider before you cleared it up simply because I did not have that same misunderstanding. Now this can't possibly be true because your response to me is a response to the post where i explain myself. I never asked you why you DID think i am mafia, i asked you why you DO think i am mafia given my explanation. Like you really didn't understand that? | ||
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Toad: "you are mafia because of X" Me: "This is why i said X from every perspective. #1 i am town and this is why i said it..." Toad: "Well #1 can't be true" Some random shit happens here. Me: So do you think i am mafia or not? Toad: Not necessarily because #1 can be true. So this fucking shit does not make any sense to me because Toad is changing his mind based on nothing relevant to the discussion. I especially asked, based on my reasoning "which is it". Here, is this question so unclear Toad can possibly twist it into something stupid: On February 20 2014 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate. However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at. [.....] If what i was doing was (1), then i am town. If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment. If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly. So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad? On February 20 2014 10:40 Toadesstern wrote: @rayn: Can't be #1 because I have no idea how someone could have come to that conclusion based on the phrasing from our lovevly host. Can't be #2 either for same reason. Therefore I was asking myself if it's #3, #4 the "I'm paranoid" or #5 the "I'm missing something" [.... here is where some random shit happens.....] On February 20 2014 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: So why do you think i am mafia Toad? On February 20 2014 11:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't dance around the issue and make a clear case. On February 20 2014 11:12 Toadesstern wrote: Foolishness told me in pm's to wait a little longer and not just claim d1 to get him lynched  Your explanation is possible, that's the sad thing here. Now, there MUST BE SOMETHING BETWEEN THE RED PARTS that makes Toad change his mind. What is it? | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:20 Toadesstern wrote: Dude I just told you that the first red part you quoted is talking about my stance on you BEFORE you did that giant post explaining it and that the giant post you did is the thing that changed my mind. Do you just not believe it or do you ignore that? Because if you put it in that order it makes an awful lot of sense. And i am telling you it can't possibly be tru because you literally reference the post and not talk about "before"!!! | ||
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When i press it further he answers the rest of the post and reaches into conclusion "not so scummy any more". Now, who the fuck answers only the parts of a post that suit his agenda? mafia. | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:24 Toadesstern wrote: how about marv explains the things that freak out rayn about me and rayn explains the things freak out marv about me and we're all happy? Because I have still no idea what's the issue with anything here and it's getting quite frustrating to state it over again even if someone else already pointed the exact same thing out before I got in here again and explains how it's just pisspoor wording? You are asked a very clear question and you answer it by only referencing a small portion of the explanation. You didn't even read the whole post of mine or you are intentionally leaving out the portion that does not suit your "rayn is scum" agenda. Both of the explanations are extremely scummy. | ||
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1) I am town and telling the truth about what i am saying here. 2) I am mafia and telling the truth about what i am saying here for some reason. 3) I am mafia and i am bullshitting here. What other options there are? Because if you want to give another option it's "rayn is town and he is lying" which can't possibly be true. | ||
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bye, my vote stands, see you aon D2. | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:48 marvellosity wrote: suki, explain to me how this is more likely to come from mafia than town, please. also read the last sentence in suki's post. | ||
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On February 20 2014 23:57 Palmar wrote: I don't see anything alignment indicative in that last sentence. One of the reasons Koshi is mafia is because he says he'll sheep me or marv because he thinks we are town. suki makes a case on Koshi and in the end says she'll sheep onto Toad at the end of the day. makes sense how? | ||
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