So what was your reasoning for unvoting as town or as mafia? I guarantee as mafia it's most likely "because i would do that as town" as in "i try to look townie" because that's why you do things as mafia right?

So we can exclude that part. What was your reasoning for unvote as town?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 02:43 GMT

#310

On February 20 2014 11:33 prplhz wrote:
I still think that raynpelikoneet's plan is completely useless and no townie has any reason to come up with or push it.

I also agree with marvellosity that it doesn't make sense that scum would hard push a silly slightly scummy plan in thread like this.

Also this is why prplhz is mafia. It's an obvious contradiction that makes no sense.

##unvote
##Vote: prplhz

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 02:48 GMT

#313

Just answer my question, why are you avoiding it? There is no reason to do so if you are town.
I am not voting for you so i don't need to explain anything.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 02:58 GMT

#317

On February 20 2014 11:51 suki wrote:
Oh really rayn? Why are you avoiding my question? There is no reason to do so if you're town. Who cares if you're not voting for me, you said your vote on me was serious so what's the big secret?

Answer to rayn's question:
I suppose most of the time when I unvote its when one of my cases falls flat and I don't have a basis to suspect that person anymore.

So then, you're arguing here that being able to unvote aids in transparency and shows exactly where I stand, which includes being neutral.

Which, I get.

But put in a situation where a town person can't unvote but they don't find X person suspicious anymore, the obvious move is to find their next target and then move their vote there. If they don't, people can pressure them to do so.
It is to town's benefit that everybody be forced to be accountable for their reads. If neutral is no longer an option, then everybody must take a stance on someone, which is where their vote is. People being forced to take a stance is pro-town.

Now, first of all why did you feel the need to spoiler your answer, it's really annoying. So i'll take it off the spoilers.
Secondly, if the bolded part is true why are you not pushing this policy in every game with normal mechanics?

Now to my answer to you;
Mafia does not usually call me mafia when i am town. Because that's a suicide. They call me stupid or whatever shit and try to discredit me. That's a better way because if you call me scum you get lynched. That's exactly what you did. Also you are calling my plan stupid, which it isn't. Now that's something i can get from people who are stupid. But i don't think you are stupid. And that's why i am now proving you calling my plan stupid is a way to not call me mafia because you know i am not mafia but rather to discredit me without calling me mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 03:04 GMT

#319

On February 20 2014 12:03 VIVAX420 wrote:

Show nested quote +

when i have somehting to say i will talk?
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rayn you coached suki right?

No i have no coached suki.
You should vote for prplhz, he's scum.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 03:07 GMT

#321

No it's a total contradiction. I guarantee you noone does that as town. He is mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 03:10 GMT

#326

You say that me, as town, have no reason to come up with that plan, which means i am mafia. You also use absolutes to say so. In the next sentence you say you don't see why i would come up with such a plan as mafia, which is totally contradicting your last sentece because there was no way i would come up with the plan as town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 03:12 GMT

#328

I mean you literally say "no townie has any reason to come up with".

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 03:12 GMT

#329

Stop calling me moron and tell me why you say incorrect shit then?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 03:24 GMT

#332

I do not want to lynch you for having an opinion. I want to lynch you because you say things that contradict each other and your thought process in your post can't come from a townie. Noone says "this is absolutely this" and say another thing in the next sentence as town. That is a fact.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 03:33 GMT

#339

so prplhz do you think i am mafia or not?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 03:35 GMT

#341

why are you voting for me?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 03:36 GMT

#344

Well you are voting for a person you think is not mafia so how about you vote for mafia instead then?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 20 2014 03:39 GMT

#346

Also when exactly did you stop thinking i am mafia? Could you point out the post that made you think so. Normally i would think people stop thinking other people are mafia when they unvote the person but apparently it's impossible in this game because people are being retarded and i am being called stupid.