@Suki...

Bum still looks town to me. Only thing that bothers me is how he gives an ultimatum to VE if VE doesn't respond properly he will lynch. Then VE doesn't respond adequately to bum yet he drops the case. So hopefully his tunneling is done.

Let me look at zarepath more indepth.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 17:44 GMT

#720

I'd lynch zarepath atm, the main contradiction in his VE case that I think you are pointing out rayn is really really bad, and he never really responds to that.

Want to hear more from crossfire and artanis though.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 17:55 GMT

#728

What I saw:

On January 20 2014 21:44 zarepath wrote:
I thought VE was talking about the two different plans, kush's "don't lynch anyone who claims blue" plan and the Boxer claim plan. I don't know what he was talking about with the "2 is pretty potent" quote, I have no idea what he's saying. But I didn't think he was inconsistent while reading him because he had two different opinions on two different plans.

^ Referencing suki's case on VE where she mistakenly calls VE indecisive on kush's plan. So he corrects her here. But then says in his VE case:

On January 21 2014 03:46 zarepath wrote:

4. Wishy-washy demeanor

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 20 2014 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm KINDA okay with Boxers claiming.

On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

On January 20 2014 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm giving benefit of the doubt where that its concerned...I had to go look again at the setup to remember myself when it was first mentioned.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 17:59 GMT

#729

Actually I'm an idiot. I thought he quoted exactly what Suki quoted so I thought that was really bad. I saw rayn talking about him contradicting himself somewhere and I thought that's what he was referencing.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 18:12 GMT

#742

@VE, Jonny

I actually find that wording to be really weird

"for you to have to defend yourself against SCUM suspicions"

I've never seen anybody call just straight up suspicion "scum suspicion". When I just read that now it honestly looked like a scum claim. Probably just poor wording though.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 18:15 GMT

#744

Also in relation to that quote that VE and JL just posted: says VE is defensive in his big case, yet when VE is not defensive he calls him out for it.

So what exactly do you want him to do zarepath?

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 19:06 GMT

#772

yeah yeah jonny we get it and its true i havent been the same Balla, that's gonna change

Why are you so worried this game though? Usually you are all "well Balla is generally active enough that I can read him later".

I'm fine with lynching zarepath. You guys have both done all the work, which makes you more town definitely, but I still need to see what Crossfire and Artanis are doing before I settle 100%

##unvote
##vote zarepath

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 19:25 GMT

#777

lol Aristotle? You mean artanis?

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 19:33 GMT

#784

On January 22 2014 04:26 kushm4sta wrote:
Balla why are you voting zare? There is nothing scummy therre. Yes rayn is town and probably jl too but that doesn't make them righT

I disagree, what JL and rayn are pointing out IS scummy to me. He's contradicting himself and playing exactly like how he says scum players play.

With that said though... with artanis jumping on him 2/3 of my current scum reads are voting on him. That doesn't sit well with me. Still want to see what crossfire does though but i'm already reconsidering.

Why don't you think what rayn and JL are saying about zarepath is scummy kush? It looks scummy to me and clearly them.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 19:41 GMT

#789

You tunneled Rayn for not playing along with your troll, which is fine. You can have a scum read on him for that if you want. But he's done so much more than just not play along with you, which you didn't really say anything about. Your re-entry is consistent though. I just feel like you can and should have been doing so much more. Which is why I'm underwhelmed by your play so far.

My read on crossfire is what I posted in my case, nothing has changed since he hasn't come back and posted anything. So still scum.

JL is the weaker of the 3 that I don't feel very confident about.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 19:44 GMT

#790

Also I'm still having trouble understanding why you chose to try to get rayn to counterclaim your scum claim. What happens if he plays along?

Rayn told me it was a joke and wrote it off so I didn't pay it any mind but it turns out you had some real motivation for it so I do want an explanation afterall.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 19:45 GMT

#791

EBWOP: Why you chose to claim SCUM as opposed to anything else.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 20:03 GMT

#801

On January 22 2014 04:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's not about if he plays along. I was near certain he would. It's about how he would approach it that would allow me insight into the mindset with which he starts the game. It was also meant as kickstart for the game so we could go straight into scumhunting rather than talk about setup and policy and all that jazz.

Sure that's reasonable.

But why did you chose to call rayn scum based off of only that and barely mention other things that make him scum. Like you said:

On January 21 2014 04:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
No I'm not happy, because other than refusing to engage me in conversation you're now also attempting to destroy town atmosphere. I have found scum in you, and you are who I want to lynch.

But you didn't say how he was destroying the town atmosphere...

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 21 2014 20:18 GMT

#806

@thrawn: I don't really have any experience with Slam at all. So let me ask you this:

You seemed to not consider the fact that he is claimed BoxeR. Does that fact change anything with how he might play. To me he seemed to get much less serious after he claimed BoxeR. Similar to when people become confirmed town they start sucking and not caring as much. Do you see Slam doing that here?

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 25 2014 04:12 GMT

#1798

My scum ratio is retarded. Just saying. So depressing rolling scum 3/5 times.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 25 2014 04:15 GMT

#1801

On January 25 2014 13:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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I got you beat with 3/4

I'd be fine with that if I had played more than 5 games T_T

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 25 2014 04:56 GMT

#1805

On January 25 2014 13:16 JonnyLaw wrote:

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Yeah man, I thought scum so easy till I tried. Barely made d3 in 30 player game and fucked us quite hard.

I really was sad to see you're scum. You accomplished your goal of getting me to back off calling you scum and rayn hated me for it.

I'll see you again in shadow mafia.

Scum -> Town is super easy
Town -> Scum is impossible for new players it looks like.

I would have been better, but I was so much busier than normal T_T

Also. You call me scum a LOT. Like this game it was justified, but past 2 games as well you've been suspicious of me for no reason. Got you into trouble this game

Should have looked harder and made more meta cases with quotes and stuff against me to get ppl to believe you. Cause literally when you were calling me scum the only legit reason you had was my activity level and that's no good even though it's a good tell for people who have played with each other a lot.

WP though.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 25 2014 04:58 GMT

#1806

On January 25 2014 11:41 kushm4sta wrote:

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not really. townread zarepath, townread balla, scumread thrawn
pretty shit reads imo

nah dude u had really good reads early on... i think u nailed all 3 of us in one early post IIRC

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 25 2014 23:09 GMT

#1820

On January 26 2014 08:04 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'm tempted suki. I can barely keep up with shadow mafia and it will start before gsl ends.

Eghhhhh maybe

ur co-hosting anyways...

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