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Oh and as such ##Unvote I will let WBG push the lynch as he feels is necessary because I'm still pretty interested in what he has to say but I am in no way decided. I don't think I'd lynch CC today so I might default to Cora if it's not you, yamato. Gumshoe's lack of presence beyond a point in the game where posting barely matters worries me.
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Yamato's return and the associated cases he made (me/cora/iamp) as well as the focus on him being the lynch. Cheesecake as well I think.
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On January 09 2014 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I want to policy lynch. kushmasta or Corazon, i don't care which one. We lose the game if they live even if they are town. ##unvote Why is Cora a policy lynch? Also can you answer my question regarding CC?
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On January 09 2014 03:01 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I want to policy lynch. kushmasta or Corazon, i don't care which one. We lose the game if they live even if they are town. ##unvote no i think kush is town and tbh he's not annoying or disruptive or anything. half of the "anti town" shit he says I can see coming before you even poke at him... you guys make it so easy for him to troll you How is he anything but dead weight in this game? Are you really trying to come up with reasons why kush does not deserve to be policy lynched?
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On January 09 2014 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:You mean this? Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright gave Cheese a good readthrough as well as Artanis's problems with him--- To the thread: I ask you, do you really find the weak CC push onto Artanis on its own lynchworthy? He said it was not a push but a converation starter - 10 pages into the game. That's all he has done, "started a conversation". Cora is using sihtlogic and apparently will not stop using it and kush refuses to play the game. Both will lose the game for the town regardless of their alignment. I am done with incredible stupidity in games. An attitude I wholeheartedly support.
As for CC, alright so a lynch on him would essentially be slightly more than an inactivity lynch. Like...I get the sentiment but I think there are better options today, though it seems that has been established.
Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe?
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On January 08 2014 16:01 kushm4sta wrote: still want to lynch wos lol. im pretty much going to leave my vote on him for the whole game until he gets lynched.
On January 09 2014 03:07 kushm4sta wrote: not true rayn. like im gonna unvote beceause wos is being pretty townie. ##unvote wos
I don't think my posting has changed at all the entire game, honestly. Like what, you're now afraid of actually being lynched or something so you've decided to stop trolling and maybe try to play, but you can't even be assed to do that since you don't read the thread? Alright it's policy lynch time. I will feel really good about this if it goes through. ##Vote: kushm4sta
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On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe? I don't know because he has not been here. The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later. I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts. I'm satisfied with fuba's play as far as he goes, CC less so but yeah I do expect him to come back. Gumshoe however has been known to completely fuck off (see NWM) so there is a lot of potential 'either-alignment-deadweight' we're dragging here.
All of these things considered I am thinking a policy lynch may make a great deal of sense today actually and I may actively push for it rather than be content with where my vote is. I want WBG to come back...
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On January 09 2014 03:20 Corazon wrote: I would love to hear WoS' explanation for why he had to lie about what I said to make me look scummy. It's pretty interesting that he's just letting it slide under the rug.
While he hopefully faces what he has done, I'm gonna go make a post about Yamato. Brb. Yeah no, Cora. Take your grudge elsewhere, I'm past it. I do like that you've got a whole host of other people on your ass and instead of attempting to deal with that you're attempting to deflect onto me, someone who isn't even currently focused on you.
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On January 09 2014 03:34 iamperfection wrote: you seem overly concerned about what everyone thinks about you cora. doesn't seem like a townie mind set to me. I've heard this before and I've seen townies get lynched because of it. Jes' sayin.
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Cora I am not sweeping anything under the rug. It is a waste of resources in my opinion to try and argue the semantics of what is or isn't 'twisting words' or 'lying' with you, especially as I highly doubt I will be convincing you one way or the other. Nobody else has any problem with anything WBG or I said to you as far as I can tell, and there is no reason it should be your focus right now.
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On January 09 2014 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:This is for rayn: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2014 14:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote: IIRC yamato did a similar thing the last game I played with him, Smurf Mini. Although I don't know if it was because he was scum or busy or what (I assume a combination of both) but he lurked to the point where he got replaced, then his replacement won the game for him and his team basically. (not like the replacement really did anything either, though). On day 1 we almost lynched him, but switched and lynched someone else who happened to also flip scum.
We need to consolidate on yamato as long as he continues to be worthless. He's not completely useless as town and it's incredibly scummy for him to come back only when pressured simply to post one line and leave again.
As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato. I don't think this is a right way to go, because yamato already promised to contribute. When someone does that you leave them alone to make them feel comfortable (in case they are scum) and focus on other people. If yamato does not contribute, he claims scum and we can vote him at the end of the day.
If we vote for yamato now, regardless of his alignment, noone else is pressured and while townies should not stop contributing even when there is a clear thread sentiment that's unfortunately not the general line of thinking. Placing votes on yamato will kill the discussion to some extent, people are more likely to contribute if they are under pressure. yamato was already under pressure and promised to contribute, that pressure has achieved what it's purpose was. You are such a hypocrite. Do you know what you are doing here? No? You are doing exactly what I was doing in my little fight wit bugs. He voted Kush who was absent and did not want to go after and pressure or discuss anyone else and I tried to explain to him how it doesn't help and how we could still vote Kush later and kill him. Still you write this: On January 08 2014 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: On a sidenote i love bugs, that's exactly how you play mafia and JAT and Corazon are being dumb. That does not mean they are scum though. Yeah... well how much did bugs contribute before I made him do it? Exactly. Funny how you call me dumb for getting him to do something but after our last game I won't consider this logic failures a scumtell for you. <3 You used this point against be as well iirc, and I showed hwo to me there was a definite difference between WBG's and your posting during that time. Why do you constantly find the need to come back to it?
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On January 09 2014 03:42 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Cora I am not sweeping anything under the rug. It is a waste of resources in my opinion to try and argue the semantics of what is or isn't 'twisting words' or 'lying' with you, especially as I highly doubt I will be convincing you one way or the other. Nobody else has any problem with anything WBG or I said to you as far as I can tell, and there is no reason it should be your focus right now. Wave. You called me scum because of a lie you made about what I wrote. It looks ridiculously scummy to me. You blatantly did it and you are still trying to say that it is not important. Just admit that you lied about what I had said. You don't even have to say why. Show me where I lied Cora, if we can deal with this without it overtaking the thread then fine.
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Ok look at kush. Why is he being allowed to continue in this game? People may have doubts about cora and yamato, but aside from thrawn I think who for some reason thinks we need to coddle kush and fondle his balls until he maybe posts something useful, I think it's pretty clear so far that kush is contributing nothing and doesn't really care to whatsoever.
At least Cora is DOING something in his own convoluted way.
Who will be easier to read at LYLO, Kush or Cora?
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How the FUCK is saying 'All of my play is townplay?' LYING?! Twisting words? What the fuck it was a joke because I never roll scum, and the thought of you attempting to use meta to talk about what my 'townplay' looks like is laughable.
This is why I don't think arguing with you will get anywhere. I have NO IDEA how you think I'm twisting your words there.
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On January 09 2014 03:48 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 09 2014 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:This is for rayn: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2014 14:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote: IIRC yamato did a similar thing the last game I played with him, Smurf Mini. Although I don't know if it was because he was scum or busy or what (I assume a combination of both) but he lurked to the point where he got replaced, then his replacement won the game for him and his team basically. (not like the replacement really did anything either, though). On day 1 we almost lynched him, but switched and lynched someone else who happened to also flip scum.
We need to consolidate on yamato as long as he continues to be worthless. He's not completely useless as town and it's incredibly scummy for him to come back only when pressured simply to post one line and leave again.
As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato. I don't think this is a right way to go, because yamato already promised to contribute. When someone does that you leave them alone to make them feel comfortable (in case they are scum) and focus on other people. If yamato does not contribute, he claims scum and we can vote him at the end of the day.
If we vote for yamato now, regardless of his alignment, noone else is pressured and while townies should not stop contributing even when there is a clear thread sentiment that's unfortunately not the general line of thinking. Placing votes on yamato will kill the discussion to some extent, people are more likely to contribute if they are under pressure. yamato was already under pressure and promised to contribute, that pressure has achieved what it's purpose was. You are such a hypocrite. Do you know what you are doing here? No? You are doing exactly what I was doing in my little fight wit bugs. He voted Kush who was absent and did not want to go after and pressure or discuss anyone else and I tried to explain to him how it doesn't help and how we could still vote Kush later and kill him. Still you write this: On January 08 2014 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: On a sidenote i love bugs, that's exactly how you play mafia and JAT and Corazon are being dumb. That does not mean they are scum though. Yeah... well how much did bugs contribute before I made him do it? Exactly. Funny how you call me dumb for getting him to do something but after our last game I won't consider this logic failures a scumtell for you. <3 You used this point against be as well iirc, and I showed hwo to me there was a definite difference between WBG's and your posting during that time. Why do you constantly find the need to come back to it? Because what both of you are saying is bullshit and I hate being misrepresented this way. But we can drop this if you want. I don't think stupidity makes you scum. Them's some harsh words JAT. Who are you voting again?
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On January 09 2014 03:50 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote: How the FUCK is saying 'All of my play is townplay?' LYING?! Twisting words? What the fuck it was a joke because I never roll scum, and the thought of you attempting to use meta to talk about what my 'townplay' looks like is laughable.
This is why I don't think arguing with you will get anywhere. I have NO IDEA how you think I'm twisting your words there. No that's not the post you twisted my words. It was the one below my first post "Wave that post looks so bad..." What, about 'what turned the lightbulb on?' Where I questioned why other people found shit I said scummy earlier on and you picked out something completely innocuous after the fact, called it scummy and joined the bandwagon at the time? What exactly did I lie about or twist your words there?
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On January 09 2014 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok look at kush. Why is he being allowed to continue in this game?
I giggled. And yet you think Cora is a policy lynch ahead of him? Come on Rayn let's do something honourable in the name of TL Mafia.
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On January 09 2014 03:53 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 09 2014 03:48 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 09 2014 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:This is for rayn: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2014 14:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote: IIRC yamato did a similar thing the last game I played with him, Smurf Mini. Although I don't know if it was because he was scum or busy or what (I assume a combination of both) but he lurked to the point where he got replaced, then his replacement won the game for him and his team basically. (not like the replacement really did anything either, though). On day 1 we almost lynched him, but switched and lynched someone else who happened to also flip scum.
We need to consolidate on yamato as long as he continues to be worthless. He's not completely useless as town and it's incredibly scummy for him to come back only when pressured simply to post one line and leave again.
As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato. I don't think this is a right way to go, because yamato already promised to contribute. When someone does that you leave them alone to make them feel comfortable (in case they are scum) and focus on other people. If yamato does not contribute, he claims scum and we can vote him at the end of the day.
If we vote for yamato now, regardless of his alignment, noone else is pressured and while townies should not stop contributing even when there is a clear thread sentiment that's unfortunately not the general line of thinking. Placing votes on yamato will kill the discussion to some extent, people are more likely to contribute if they are under pressure. yamato was already under pressure and promised to contribute, that pressure has achieved what it's purpose was. You are such a hypocrite. Do you know what you are doing here? No? You are doing exactly what I was doing in my little fight wit bugs. He voted Kush who was absent and did not want to go after and pressure or discuss anyone else and I tried to explain to him how it doesn't help and how we could still vote Kush later and kill him. Still you write this: On January 08 2014 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: On a sidenote i love bugs, that's exactly how you play mafia and JAT and Corazon are being dumb. That does not mean they are scum though. Yeah... well how much did bugs contribute before I made him do it? Exactly. Funny how you call me dumb for getting him to do something but after our last game I won't consider this logic failures a scumtell for you. <3 You used this point against be as well iirc, and I showed hwo to me there was a definite difference between WBG's and your posting during that time. Why do you constantly find the need to come back to it? Because what both of you are saying is bullshit and I hate being misrepresented this way. But we can drop this if you want. I don't think stupidity makes you scum. Them's some harsh words JAT. Who are you voting again? Sue me. I think you know well that I am not voting anyone right now and I think you also know how this has nothing to do with this post in any way. No I actually was too lazy and absorbed in arguing with Cora to check atm, and had figured you had voted somebody at some point; couldn't remember. If I had known that, the question would have been (and is now) who would you like to vote? (As I am trying to steer a conversation from the stuff you feel we can 'drop' now to something mroe releveant.)
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On January 09 2014 03:55 thrawn2112 wrote: Ok I have no idea who to vote and I have to leave in an hour and I won't be back before deadline.. please give thoughts. I don't like any of the kush/corazon/iamp/wos wagons. Undecided on yamato. There is no wagon on me or iamp, first of all, and do you think all four of us are town?
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On January 09 2014 03:57 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 09 2014 03:50 Corazon wrote:On January 09 2014 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote: How the FUCK is saying 'All of my play is townplay?' LYING?! Twisting words? What the fuck it was a joke because I never roll scum, and the thought of you attempting to use meta to talk about what my 'townplay' looks like is laughable.
This is why I don't think arguing with you will get anywhere. I have NO IDEA how you think I'm twisting your words there. No that's not the post you twisted my words. It was the one below my first post "Wave that post looks so bad..." What, about 'what turned the lightbulb on?' Where I questioned why other people found shit I said scummy earlier on and you picked out something completely innocuous after the fact, called it scummy and joined the bandwagon at the time? What exactly did I lie about or twist your words there? You said that I was simply sheeping on the reactions to your first post that Iamp and others said was bad. You called me scum for it and it would have been scummy had I actually been talking about that post. I was talking about the first one that I had quoted in response to mine. Your story: You make a post Iamp/others call it bad I ask why You say you are always town I suddenly realize that your first post was bad You call me scum because I suddenly realized that the original post was bad, hence I was sheeping Iamp Real Story: You make a post Iamp/others call it bad I ask why You say you are always town I say that the post I mentioned in the point directly above this looks scummy You call me scum because you lied about which post I called scummyThat is my problem with you. .....so because I assumed you were referring to a different post than the one you were actually apparently referring to I am scum? K Cora. Good luck with that. Clearly this misunderstanding means I am out to get you, twisting every single one of your posts into lies and slander (which I do believe you actually said at some point) and have been out to get you all game. Really coherent and useful argument you have been tunneling on for much of the game.
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