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yamato77
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On January 07 2014 03:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ofc i waver back and forth, im town and dont have information. What concerns have I not addressed? Do you really need me to name a second scum to believe my posts thus far? I Think town is ignoring a lot of good analysis in my posts in favor of silly connection theories. | ||
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yamato77
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On January 07 2014 03:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I really want to just lynch coag. I would have to read him first, but he is possible as second mafia. | ||
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On January 07 2014 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: The fact is Hopeless cannot be scum because everyone who is not confirmed thinks he is mafia and it does not make any sense. I suggest you find real scum if you are town. Or someone is bussing. Definitely a possibility. | ||
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Yeah, that's a good heuristic. Like I said before, Sentinel is basically only confirmed because I believe CC is town and telling the truth. | ||
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On January 07 2014 04:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Yamato, why is sentinel ONLY confirmed because you believe me? A fucking mafia died. Vig. Like I said, you could both be lying and be mafia who planned a shot on thrawn. It's unlikely, but POSSIBLE. | ||
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On January 07 2014 04:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: No it's not. There are no CC's, and that would leave town with only 1 blue. CCs are not a great way to verify claims, IMO, but this discussion is pointless. I don't like how Sentinel is playing, he's accused me badly, but I'm ignoring it because I don't have any strong reason to doubt his claim. End of story. | ||
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yamato77
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On January 07 2014 04:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: You don't think he is mafia yet are casting his argument aside because he is "only confirmed because of this". No, because the timing of big posts is not any indication of my alignment. It's a terrible heuristic. | ||
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yamato77
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On January 07 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato you haven't followed up with any question you have ever asked from anyone in this game. You are not even interested in the answers. Also you were really demoralized when thrawn flipped. When a vigilante shoots scum on N1 townies usually go "yay, good job!", not like you did "god i hate claim games". What questions have I asked that I have not followed up on? How was I demoralized when thrawn flipped? THE FIRST POST I MADE SAID I WAS GLAD I WAS RIGHT ABOUT HIM! I do hate claim games, for the record. In forum mafia, these situations lead to really narrow reasoning and almost always devolve the game as they have done to this one into trying to pick two mafia from a small group of players. On January 07 2014 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato is the most fucking obvious town player when he is town. Either he does not give a shit about the game to notice simple things like you + Sentinel having to be town after N1 or he is scum. He is scum. You have read nothing I've posted on the claim matter if you are still talking about this. READ MY POSTS. On January 07 2014 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: - Then he does not notice Coagulation's inconsistancies after he himself asked about them from Coag. - Then he does not call kush out for kush's bullshit reads which i have pointed out. - Then he calls Hopeless mafia and Alakaslam town because both are usually useless and both did exactly same shit on D1. 1) I don't remember asking Coag anything. 2) I don't think kush's reads are bullshit. Me disagreeing with you does not make me mafia. 3) Hopeless and Slam ARE NOT THE SAME! Look at the case I made on Hopeless where I summarize his D1 and compare those posts to these: On January 04 2014 08:27 Alakaslam wrote: Ok everything essentially just became a food fight from my perspective. At first I was thinking Rayne and Gumshoe scum, because seeing the layout concerns Rayne pointed out coupled with gumeshoe's post implying what I am doing is usually seen as scummy in reply to him, it looked like something to be able to lynch LHF with no recompense. Then, after they talk a bit, I see Rayne going after gumshoe for said post and I'm like "well they certainly aren't scum together" and then Yamato77 wildly says between them he would go after Rayne! Then gumshoe explains himself to Rayne and it makes sense- my how my reads fly -_- This makes me ask, what are people's thoughts about hopeless and I rng'ing Kush? He has said nothing, and we are what, a couple hours into the game? I mean seriously, are we wrong/scummy or vote with us? Or what in between? On January 04 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote: K look there are huge problems with this, I could actually totes lynch you with Yamato on this alone. If you are actually blue you just gave up that power's usefulness and if you are scum, the real cop can't counterclaim you without outing himself to you. Most will know this and therefore that it is essentially WIFOM, also I think YOU know better enough to know all that. On January 04 2014 09:03 Alakaslam wrote: Dude. I mean yes I could see how the role is pretty useless then and probably not worth scum's time to fish out. But if you are scum? You just gave yourself the key to ultimate Svengali play, and a free day worth of survival if not more assuming you are believed! It doesn't accomplish the trust you need man, it makes stuff worse. But really, it would be super ballsy scum play. Counterclaiming would decrease chances of a mislynch to 50%! On January 04 2014 09:10 Alakaslam wrote: yeah, this is why I'm lynching you. You are refusing to see what I'm saying. You are scum because you are 1: Blue Hunting 2: Fakeclaiming 3: bullying anyone who opposes you and using it as grounds to mislynch On January 04 2014 09:15 Alakaslam wrote: Nice discredit explain? How on earth I what you are doing any better than the biggest WIFOM bomb I have ever seen plus a ton of Svengali? Why on earth should town believe your claim even if the parity cop role is so useless? I will even answer that- because it wouldn't be worth the risk to make suh a fakeclaim as scum. But the problem with that is it is like combining a bus with blue hunting, and you can count on town arriving at that same conclusion anyway! WIFOM is the greatest scum strategy IMO. On January 04 2014 11:24 Alakaslam wrote: These, plus looking at setup as scum would see it (losing one scum today versus a mislynch makes the game a lot harder for them) make me think if there is a cop, should counter claim, and Rayne probably confirmed town versus otherwise. Another reason I think so now is I was literally going through why I thought an early claim like that is so bad as either alignment that coming from Rayne it just reeks of scum, and he thought I was being wishy-washy and almost like he couldn't conceive how it was scummy- which I took as even scummier, but a look back, as town he would say the same stuff- you do something SPECIFICALLY to get people to work with you and first thing, this guy comes up and calls it WIFOM over and over and scummy, and you know in the setup scum don't do that etc. etc. Unvoting. Slam looks like he's actually trying to figure out people's alignment, and Hopeless just looks like he's trying to figure out where to place his vote. | ||
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yamato77
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On January 07 2014 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Kind of like me being pro-town means me as mafia? Because that was totally a town-aligned way of gunning for me. It was early, and I wanted to see how you'd respond. Notice how I immediately stop arguing the point? I liked your response. It's how good town players play the early game. | ||
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On January 07 2014 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote: its not the timing, its the content. your big posts didnt attempt to solve anything in the game or layout a gameplan for going forward. your list post was a joke. your case on me is of a similar caliber to mine on you, except there is no precedent for why I'm scummy in the context of your case. You list off some marginally scummy things that in the context of day1 are not good enough to tout me as omfg scum must lynch nao. The list post was hastily made during the night mostly as a way for me to summarize my feelings about D1 and start D2 with some footing in the game. It was not meant as some exposition of my thoughts on the game. My case on you encompasses YOUR ACTUAL PLAY THIS GAME, instead of trying to say that I should play EXACTLY how I played in LXIII or I'm mafia. The two are incomparable. I also quote your play D2 and state that this flimsy logic is indicative of you being mafia. You're not even reading the case. I also sorted out my thoughts on the claim situation, and have addressed every accusation leveled against me in the game. My big posts are clear, and consistent. It has nothing to do with meta, and everything to do with being town trying to figure the fucking game out. Do you think I, as mafia, come into D2 trying to doubt confirmed town? No, I already know the claims are true because I KNOW MAFIA'S NIGHT ACTIONS. | ||
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This filter destroys any argument about me always being obvious townie with multiple big posts D1. I got lynched D1 this game. Stop using it as a reason to call me mafia, it is not valid whatsoever. | ||
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No, that would just make me wrong. I've been wrong as town before. If I'm wrong about you, let's talk about the other three unconfirmed players, because no matter what, ONE OF THEM is mafia. | ||
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yamato77
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On January 07 2014 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This. I don't believe I made it clear enough in the original accusation - they were big posts that pretty much told town "here's what we need to focus on", explicitly asked people questions so that they would put out their thoughts for everyone to see, and pretty much removed any confusion by whatever way. That commanding stance is what makes it so scary to play against yam as scum - you have to play by his rules or else he'll put you under heavy pressure. As evidenced by Hopeless's post as well as the quoted material, yamato's case isn't flawless, it's made while he's under pressure instead of the other way around. The instances he did mention slam are short. Simply, "he's clear", "he's clearer than I've ever seen him play", "I can actually understand him". It's not much. He was pretty coherent in Titanic II as well, less so because he spent the game talking to Chezinu in a QT. I can understand yam's tunneling of Hopeless because he does that all the time. But faulty logic/reasoning is inexcusable for him. I DON'T ALWAYS PLAY THAT WAY AS TOWN END OF ARGUMENT | ||
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On January 07 2014 06:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: yam why do you not think kush's reads are bullshit? Mostly because it looks like there's uncertainty in them, which I think is a townie trait. Too much certainty = scum kush. He might be WRONG, but that doesn't mean that it's BULLSHIT. | ||
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