Extractor Trick Mini Mafia - Page 4

On January 07 2014 03:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
ofc i waver back and forth, im town and dont have information.

On January 07 2014 03:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I really want to just lynch coag.

On January 07 2014 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The fact is Hopeless cannot be scum because everyone who is not confirmed thinks he is mafia and it does not make any sense.
I suggest you find real scum if you are town.

On January 07 2014 04:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yamato, why is sentinel ONLY confirmed because you believe me? A fucking mafia died. Vig.

On January 07 2014 04:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


No it's not. There are no CC's, and that would leave town with only 1 blue.

On January 07 2014 04:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


You don't think he is mafia yet are casting his argument aside because he is "only confirmed because of this".

On January 07 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato you haven't followed up with any question you have ever asked from anyone in this game. You are not even interested in the answers. Also you were really demoralized when thrawn flipped. When a vigilante shoots scum on N1 townies usually go "yay, good job!", not like you did "god i hate claim games".

On January 07 2014 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato is the most fucking obvious town player when he is town. Either he does not give a shit about the game to notice simple things like you + Sentinel having to be town after N1 or he is scum.

He is scum.

On January 07 2014 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- Then he does not notice Coagulation's inconsistancies after he himself asked about them from Coag.
- Then he does not call kush out for kush's bullshit reads which i have pointed out.
- Then he calls Hopeless mafia and Alakaslam town because both are usually useless and both did exactly same shit on D1.

On January 04 2014 08:27 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok everything essentially just became a food fight from my perspective.

At first I was thinking Rayne and Gumshoe scum, because seeing the layout concerns Rayne pointed out coupled with gumeshoe's post implying what I am doing is usually seen as scummy in reply to him, it looked like something to be able to lynch LHF with no recompense.

Then, after they talk a bit, I see Rayne going after gumshoe for said post and I'm like "well they certainly aren't scum together" and then Yamato77 wildly says between them he would go after Rayne!

Then gumshoe explains himself to Rayne and it makes sense- my how my reads fly -_-

This makes me ask, what are people's thoughts about hopeless and I rng'ing Kush? He has said nothing, and we are what, a couple hours into the game? I mean seriously, are we wrong/scummy or vote with us? Or what in between?

On January 04 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:

K look there are huge problems with this, I could actually totes lynch you with Yamato on this alone.

If you are actually blue you just gave up that power's usefulness and if you are scum, the real cop can't counterclaim you without outing himself to you.

Most will know this and therefore that it is essentially WIFOM, also I think YOU know better enough to know all that.

On January 04 2014 09:03 Alakaslam wrote:

Dude.

I mean yes I could see how the role is pretty useless then and probably not worth scum's time to fish out. But if you are scum? You just gave yourself the key to ultimate Svengali play, and a free day worth of survival if not more assuming you are believed!

It doesn't accomplish the trust you need man, it makes stuff worse.

But really, it would be super ballsy scum play. Counterclaiming would decrease chances of a mislynch to 50%!

On January 04 2014 09:10 Alakaslam wrote:

yeah, this is why I'm lynching you. You are refusing to see what I'm saying. You are scum because you are
1: Blue Hunting
2: Fakeclaiming
3: bullying anyone who opposes you and using it as grounds to mislynch

On January 04 2014 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:

Nice discredit explain? How on earth I what you are doing any better than the biggest WIFOM bomb I have ever seen plus a ton of Svengali? Why on earth should town believe your claim even if the parity cop role is so useless? I will even answer that- because it wouldn't be worth the risk to make suh a fakeclaim as scum.
But the problem with that is it is like combining a bus with blue hunting, and you can count on town arriving at that same conclusion anyway!

WIFOM is the greatest scum strategy IMO.

On January 04 2014 11:24 Alakaslam wrote:





These, plus looking at setup as scum would see it (losing one scum today versus a mislynch makes the game a lot harder for them) make me think if there is a cop, should counter claim, and Rayne probably confirmed town versus otherwise.

Another reason I think so now is I was literally going through why I thought an early claim like that is so bad as either alignment that coming from Rayne it just reeks of scum, and he thought I was being wishy-washy and almost like he couldn't conceive how it was scummy- which I took as even scummier, but a look back, as town he would say the same stuff- you do something SPECIFICALLY to get people to work with you and first thing, this guy comes up and calls it WIFOM over and over and scummy, and you know in the setup scum don't do that etc. etc.

Unvoting.

On January 07 2014 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Kind of like me being pro-town means me as mafia?

Because that was totally a town-aligned way of gunning for me.

On January 07 2014 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote:

its not the timing, its the content. your big posts didnt attempt to solve anything in the game or layout a gameplan for going forward. your list post was a joke. your case on me is of a similar caliber to mine on you, except there is no precedent for why I'm scummy in the context of your case. You list off some marginally scummy things that in the context of day1 are not good enough to tout me as omfg scum must lynch nao.

On January 07 2014 06:07 Hopeless1der wrote:

would me flipping town suffice?

On January 07 2014 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

This. I don't believe I made it clear enough in the original accusation - they were big posts that pretty much told town "here's what we need to focus on", explicitly asked people questions so that they would put out their thoughts for everyone to see, and pretty much removed any confusion by whatever way. That commanding stance is what makes it so scary to play against yam as scum - you have to play by his rules or else he'll put you under heavy pressure.

As evidenced by Hopeless's post as well as the quoted material, yamato's case isn't flawless, it's made while he's under pressure instead of the other way around. The instances he did mention slam are short. Simply, "he's clear", "he's clearer than I've ever seen him play", "I can actually understand him". It's not much. He was pretty coherent in Titanic II as well, less so because he spent the game talking to Chezinu in a QT.

I can understand yam's tunneling of Hopeless because he does that all the time. But faulty logic/reasoning is inexcusable for him.

On January 07 2014 06:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
yam why do you not think kush's reads are bullshit?