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On January 06 2014 06:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Yamato Im still not getting why you think you can't confirm the three claims town. And that post doesn't explain it to me.
Is it that you think a real PR is hiding for some reason or you didn't read the OP or what?
The OP does not confirm them as town. It states clearly that there could be any number of any of the possible roles.
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Setup Type
This is a semi-closed setup. Which roles are available will be listed, but aside from how many mafia members there are, there is no other setup information. There can be 0+ of any role.
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On day 1, LITERALLY THE ONLY THING HOPELESS DID was this:
On January 04 2014 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure gumshoe is mafia. Nothing he says is making sense atm. no, but you did just claim cop for questionable reasons.
On January 04 2014 09:54 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 04 2014 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 04 2014 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure gumshoe is mafia. Nothing he says is making sense atm. no, but you did just claim cop for questionable reasons. And that has to do with anything how? Are you discrediting me or are you calling me scum or are you agreeing with me? What exactly are you saying here? im saying gumshoe not making sense could be because hes confused, not necessarily mafia. You're totes town
On January 04 2014 10:17 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If he does not think i am mafia i have no reason to lie about why i claimed in the first place, which i stated was not because of pressure. Either way he is bullshitting. I'll be honest, I didnt read very closely the first time around. gumshoe is a good lynch. but, BETTER THAN RNG? I DUNNO.
On January 04 2014 10:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
WARNING WE ARE IN HAMMER RANGE
--PROCEED WITH CARE--
This sequence of posts comprises the thought process of Hopeless during the day. Do you see a reason that his vote landed on gumshoe? He goes from defending gumshoe from Rayn by saying he's "confused" to voting him as thread sentiment is moving toward lynching him, with very little justification in between. Overall, his tone day 1 is trollish and basically uncaring, which is typical of a mafia player during this period due to how far ahead they are in information. He doesn't seem to be trying to figure anything out about the game in these posts, he's just making statements and finding his way onto the gumshoe wagon.
Day 2, he begins with massclaim shenanigans, which is NOT indicative of him being town. It APPEARS pro-town, but it also gives mafia the information they want: how did thrawn die, and how did our shot fail? Due to the nature of the setup, THEY DON'T KNOW at this point what happened during the night.
On January 05 2014 04:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mafia failed their KP. So, options are
medic save
jailer save or roleblock
veteran soaked a hit
In addition we have a vig shot on mafia. We should have 2, maybe 3 confirmable town based on night actions I think.
Here he runs through the possibilities, and EACH ONE is important for how mafia would play out the rest of the game. If it's a medic/JK save, they shoot the person who has just been asked to claim under the pretense of being "confirmed town" for a day. If it's a roleblock, it actually confirms someone (whoever carried out the NK) as mafia. If it's a vet, they can shoot whoever they please, but probably the vet.
On January 05 2014 04:31 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 04:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Why shouldn't the vig claim? If they blew their shot, they're essentially a VT now, right? They probably should but I'd rather they/we all decide its a good idea that will have a definite benefit, instead of giving scum a place to hide or cause confusion.
Notice that he's not all that interested in the vig claiming here. He's far more concerned with the UNKNOWN information to mafia aside from figuring out which player is the vig that shot thrawn. As noted later on, Hopeless understood why Sentinel shot thrawn, so he may at this point have already figured out who the vig was.
Soon after, the idea of lynching me is discussed, and Hopeless says this:
On January 05 2014 05:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
nah yamato promises solutions, he usually delivers. otherwise we lynch him
Half a day later:
On January 05 2014 18:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yamato didnt consider that scum might shoot him...where is his town ego? I'm calling shenanigans. Dudes scum.
What did I post in between? My thoughts on the claim issue, in detail. Also, notably, I voted for him after picking him out as the best lynch. And this is the best reasoning he can come up with to vote me (also done as other people are accusing me [I SEE A PATTERN!] )? I didn't think mafia would NK me, therefor I am mafia? What the fuck?
It's pretty fucking clear that Hopeless is mafia.
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On January 06 2014 06:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
if you don't think he's lying then shut up about it could be a fakeclaim. It literally does nothing but make me want to lynch you.
You're all retarded. You're making this a big deal. It COULD be a fakeclaim, but AT THE MOMENT, I DON'T THINK IT IS. However, I AM NOT GOING TO CONSIDER HIM CONFIRMED TOWN just because of his cop claim. I'm done talking about it, all of you have literally zero reason to call me mafia for playing the game ignorant of stupid Rayn claims.
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And by retarded, I mean that you all have difficulty understanding my position on the claim issue despite my multiple posts on it at this time.
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Well, that's an abrupt turn.
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On January 06 2014 08:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also Rayn is really bad for saying Coag is town. He hasn't done shit this game but give a sparse and shitty list.
This is true.
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Wanna lynch hopeless, coag/kush?
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On January 06 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 07:12 yamato77 wrote:On January 06 2014 06:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
if you don't think he's lying then shut up about it could be a fakeclaim. It literally does nothing but make me want to lynch you. You're all retarded. You're making this a big deal. It COULD be a fakeclaim, but AT THE MOMENT, I DON'T THINK IT IS. However, I AM NOT GOING TO CONSIDER HIM CONFIRMED TOWN just because of his cop claim. I'm done talking about it, all of you have literally zero reason to call me mafia for playing the game ignorant of stupid Rayn claims. My claims arew never stupid and i am policy lynching you for this in addition to all scummy things.
Don't be a child. Read my posts seriously.
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On January 06 2014 13:28 Hopeless1der wrote:If you guys still want to lynch me, fuck it, I'll hammer myself . Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 02:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 06 2014 02:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yamato is at L-1. If he flips green then I want hopeless to die. Because fuck 2 mafia being inside kush/coag/slam--that's just cruel by BH. i'd agree to this, except we'd lose the game. I meant to say "yeah Mr.Sexycake I'll gladly die to see yamato burn. You can even lynch me first!"
You didn't even address my case in full, nor do I particularly care that you picked one sentence in my post to criticize. Martyring by you now is a little dramatic.
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Three times I mention my read on slam before the post you quoted:
On January 05 2014 05:09 yamato77 wrote:
Slam - town
makes more sense and is playing better than anyone in the game.
On January 05 2014 17:30 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 17:12 kushm4sta wrote:
yamato, reread alaka's filter and tell me about how he is the most townie player in this game Basically, he's clearer and more to the point than I've EVER SEEN him be. I trust this read quite heavily.
On January 05 2014 18:07 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 17:59 kushm4sta wrote:
like he's being clear but not about finding scum Honestly, I came into the game expecting to not even understand him. It's enough for me that he's readable and that I can follow his thoughts. I'm not lynching him.
I think three is "multiple"
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What exactly is bad about me calling you townie for playing how you have so far? I don't understand.
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On January 06 2014 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Dat first quote
"Is playing better than anyone else in the game"
Do you remember what that spec-
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-specifically referred to, if I may ask without looking like a narcissistic pomp?
Your day 1 was:
1) Super active.
2) Had a clear push to it.
The only thing I can fault you for is that you never really explained why you wanted to lynch gumshoe very well.
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On January 06 2014 14:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 14:43 yamato77 wrote:On January 06 2014 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Dat first quote
"Is playing better than anyone else in the game"
Do you remember what that spec-
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-specifically referred to, if I may ask without looking like a narcissistic pomp? Your day 1 was: 1) Super active. 2) Had a clear push to it. The only thing I can fault you for is that you never really explained why you wanted to lynch gumshoe very well. 1) And achieved what? 2) A stupid push on me. Who cares what anyone did on D1? If you are going to find mafia based on D1 activity the scum are you and kush.
He asked a specific question about a read I made off of information from D1. This is just silly tunneling, rayn.
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On January 06 2014 14:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 14:54 yamato77 wrote:On January 06 2014 14:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 06 2014 14:43 yamato77 wrote:On January 06 2014 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Dat first quote
"Is playing better than anyone else in the game"
Do you remember what that spec-
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-specifically referred to, if I may ask without looking like a narcissistic pomp? Your day 1 was: 1) Super active. 2) Had a clear push to it. The only thing I can fault you for is that you never really explained why you wanted to lynch gumshoe very well. 1) And achieved what? 2) A stupid push on me. Who cares what anyone did on D1? If you are going to find mafia based on D1 activity the scum are you and kush. He asked a specific question about a read I made off of information from D1. This is just silly tunneling, rayn. Let me get this straight. You have said your meta read on both of Hopeless & Alakaslam is that they are useless. On D1, both of them played exactly the same. - Slam talked about lurker lynch, Hopeless talked about random lynch. - In the end both voted for gumshoe after "soft-defending him" (if you wanna call it that). Now, how the fuck can one of them be totally town and the other one totally scum?
The difference in play between Hopeless and Slam is not as small as you seem to say it is here, that's a bit of a faulty equivocation.
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On January 06 2014 15:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So can you point out what the differences are then? Because i do not see it. Also you still didn't answer, who is the other scum?
Read my posts.
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From my perspective of sitting at L-2 for some hours now, there is at least one scum voting me or they w Po I'll have both voted and hammered.
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Also, what happened to me being town, CC? This wavering back and forth is unsettling.
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On January 07 2014 03:29 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesecake's sig holds true imo
I don't think he is mafia. I just can't rely on him to trust me, so it's harder to get anything done.
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