On December 04 2013 16:31 Promethelax wrote:Follow up to my earlier post
D1 sign up list
the current sign up list after n1 is:
- jcarlsoniv
- onlywonderboy kushm4sta
- Rean
- JonnyLaw
- ticklishmusic
- gtrsrs
- OdinOfPergo
- Roffles
- BloodyC0bbler Onegu
- VisceraEyes
- Risen
- Kenpachi
- Bill Murray Coagulation
- Kurumi
- geript
- StorrZerg Promethelax
- supersoft
- austinmcc
- raynpelikoneet
- Mig
- Mocsta
- Oatsmaster
- jaybrundage
- nyxnyxnyx LSB
- Koshi
- marvellosity
- justanothertownie
- sandroba
- Meapak_Ziphh
Which hopefully means that there are no day time list switch powers.
Based on the numbers of replacements I'm curious to look at those individuals in particular who have replaced in, with so many people replacing I find myself nervous about replacements in general and would like to work to clear/indict those slots first because of how little must have been offered by the originals and even more so because so many of the replacements are not known for terribly stellar town play; all five have the ability to play well but equally have the ability to play poorly. I've seen too many games where a replacement makes it to endgame and is lynched/let go because of their predecessor. My desire would be to get reads on the five replacements from the players who are known to play town well in this game I'd say marv, sandro, VE, SS and Rayn. I'd like reads from the five of you on the five replacement slots.
My reads on the five I'm most curious of based mostly on filter diving and a little on thread context (not my preferred method of finding scum but I can't get my teeth into the thread somehow, its just too much when I wasn't there to think about stuff while it was happening). I looked at the lynch and went back to the filters.
KushI feel good about kush, he cared about the lynch and defended his town read. He didn't flip on that read even when said read attacked him for it. He stayed calm and collected in the discussion which is so not scum kush. There was a post of Kush's which felt lonely (okay I know this is silly, stick with me) and I don't think a scum kush would post it; this kid is an active player whatever else can be said about him and in his scum games he is all up in that scum qt. If I had to makes a guess on kush at this point in this game I'd say both that he is town and that he is playing better than usual.
My only qualm is how diplomatic kush is playing, I'm choosing to believe (and I think the evidence supports) that it is a better town game from him but it may be a new scum style.
On the five part scale kush is a 2 (1= confirmed town all the way down to 5 = preferred lynch)
+ Show Spoiler [Supporting points on the above
+Bum read
On December 04 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote:DO NOT LYNCH BUM. I think it's literally impossible for scum to think this way. His thought process is so freaking town.
Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 22:39 bumatlarge wrote:On December 03 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2013 22:03 bumatlarge wrote:
I honestly don't think we should lynch LSB, he has to be some Village Idiot, or tryndamere gets some suicidal bonus. We all know LSB is a good enough player to as both town and scum to know posting what he's posting is NOT OK. It's a hunch, but I think I'm right.
He started gunning for me as soon as I went for jcarl. Can we try to lynch jcarl instead? He jumped on me the second LSB said I should be policy lynched and didn't vote me.
bum, how do these two things together make sense?
You don't think LSB is mafia, but you think LSB "coincidentally" went for you as soon as you went for jcarl? Surely that SUPPORTS the idea that LSB is mafia?? (if you think jcarl is mafia) Why would Village Idiot or SuicideBonus dude (lol) gun for you when you went for jcarl, other than they'd be mafia together?
I do think he's mafia, but he's being too silly about it. I guess I'd rather not be bamboozled rather then win. Matter of pride.
I mean it's just a hunch. Thinking it over again, it's probably too narrow to play around and I can't imagine his ability would be that bad for us if it makes it good for mafia to get lynched. Almost anyone over jonnylaw would be better IMO.
continues to defend Bum (with logic)
On December 04 2013 01:11 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
ooo geript has another read. Finally.
Yeah I could lynch bum, dunno what kush is talking about.
case against bum:
contradictions
flinging vague shit
Town do both of these things all the time.
In the hypothetical situation that bum was town, I would expect behavior that was tryhard and scared. That comes from his level of experience and his personality.
"Contradictions" and "flinging vague shit" are only scumtells when the player is not scared (a more experienced player) and not tryhard.
Kush's loneliness
On December 04 2013 07:26 kushm4sta wrote:
bum so isn't scum. im literally the only person defending him..
LSBI don't know LSB (to my knowledge we've never played together) so I can't say as much about him as a player but his first few posts don't sit terribly well with me. Specifically his defensive reply to Rayn's very clear comment seemed out of place; that defensiveness suggests to me that if LSB is scum there
is at least one scum in the top six picks. Not yet relevent but something to keep in mind.
LSB follows this with a totally contradictory post the contradiction in which I'm ignoring in the interest of not bleeding from the ears, the post again rubs me the wrong way though it chastises town for banning out pro-scum roles. Along with this LSB says he WILL roleclaim and that everyone had better roleclaim OR ELSE. The bluster in those posts is strong and a blustery player is trying hard to put themselves in a position in town, not necessarily scummy but raises red flags. Bum mentions (in one of the posts in the spoiler under Kush's name) that he thinks LSB is better than he is playing in this game, the bluster means that LSB thinks so too.
I like that LSB followed through with the folly that is his claiming plan but it hurts my brain to think that he thought enacting a claiming plan without getting town ready to act on this claiming plan was worthwhile. At best individual roleclaims mean nothing. At worst they inform scum as to how to act.
LSB's single minded devotion to the mass claiming/number gathering is interesting. I like it. It needs to be done in a pyp game (just as the list managing needs to be done in this game particularly) town needs these things done and LSB doing them is pro town!! If LSB fails to do anything else and does not catch scum through his list analysis he is scum, the behavious he has exibited is that of a townie however it is easy to fake as scum and he hasn't done other things which scum cannot fake. However for the moment I'm happy to have a player approaching the game though the analytic paths. LSB is an old school player and his play reflects that old school mindset.
I've written a lot on LSB because my thoughts were pretty varied. All in all I'd take him as town for now with a little mark next to his name to make sure to look into his participation in the future and whether he continues to focus only on mechanics.
rating: 2.5
+ Show Spoiler [citations] +Defensive reply
On December 02 2013 09:09 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In every PYP game when top picks have claimed their picks and followed some sort of a plan there has been scum found in top 6.
And what are you trying to imply by that?
contradictions
On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.
Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia.
This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways.
I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment.
However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt
LSB's number focus
On December 04 2013 03:02 LSB wrote:
I'll just post it again to clear up confusion
If you are vanilla town it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take
If you can deal damage it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take
If you are DT/Medic/Tracker it is highly suggested, but I will forgive you if you don't, to reveal what role you take
We need to know if Janna, Heimerdinger, Karthus and other roles that have the ability to increase mafia KP are in the game.
Koshi [2][1] - Viktor
Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick
VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux
jcarlsoniv [9][3] - Soft Blue claim, cannot deal damage
Mig [12][1]
JonnyLaw [14][11]
Risen [15][15] - Karma
StorrZerg [23][23]
geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT?
austinmcc [6][3]
Meapak_Ziphh [6][14]
Sandroba - Fiora
Kenpachi[8][15] - Blue Claim
Rean [16][2] Lux-> VT
bumatlarge [16][12] -> Soft Blue Claim
Onegu [17][5] Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role. Claim was done by BC
justanothertownie
marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim
gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT
OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT
Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT
supersoft [1][30]
Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT
raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen
kushm4sta
ticklishmusic Taric
Roffles
Coagulation
jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal?
LSB -> Tryndamere
OneguOh God! I want to lynch Onegu on this filter. And I'd hate myself for lynching him on this filter.
I am so sorry for what I am about to say!
Onegu's whole filter is a discussion of his son, the whole thing is a sympathy grab and bares no relevance to the game. He spends a lot of time apologizing and none playing. His only post is an I'll sheep Rayn post. Double donkey fuck. I hate this filter and I know its totally possible form it that Onegu is an honest townie. The thing is I also know that its as likely he is a dishonest scummer.
I know nothing about Onegu: not a hard scum read but I wouldn't mind him being vig hit/lynched. He has a mark next to his name that says he had better shape the fuck up. I know he newbied his way to mafia victory in the past, he cannot be allowed to sympathy his way into endgame.
rating: 4
+ Show Spoiler [Onegu's one post] +On December 04 2013 05:00 Onegu wrote:
So Im on page 66 rigjt now and it 3am. I promise I will catch up tomorrow, but deadline is in 7 hours. So I am right now confident in my ability to read rayn and believe he is town as he was the first person to really start scum hunting. So I am going to sheep him and consolidate, as close to where I am reading people said it was really important not to have outlander votes so people can analyze it. So I should be up before deadline amd get somemore reading in.
##Vote:bumatlarge
CoagA little like the above, Coag has done nothing. Coag may do nothing as town or scum either way, he claimed the birthday card. Since birthdays are only one day I give him a chance to shape up. Assuming he participates well in the day 2 proceedings I'll forgive him for his less than stellar start. I hope he shapes up as I've gotten to like him recently, he did a rather good job as a host in the OMGus game I played and was generally a pleasant dude to be around; I'd like to get to see him play.
Because I expect this kind of play from Coag at least a little I want to give him a 3 rather than a 4 but in reality I wouldn't be too torn up over his death so in the end his rating is 4
Promethelax cool kid, totes town. Probably better than you. You should listen to him.
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