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On August 15 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In case you meant D1 lynch you know what my & iamps thought process was.
We also decided the Lord KP targets because noone was giving shit about anything.
I cared about night shots d1 and even had a list of people I'd like to see shot. Saying no one was giving a shit about anything isn't true, and skews how the day actually went.
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On August 15 2013 10:49 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:34 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:28 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:24 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:18 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't?
To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. Though to be fair this is an actual point that might make sense if you hadn't just posted a case. He only repeated his earlier weak case and said Vivax was scum for no reason. Why are you soft defending him while voting for him? Wait what? My vote is on SnB. On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:
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From iamperfection's last will:
"Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though."
I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!! I hate people ignoring my case so please link me to or write out exactly what you want answered and I will do so. well, its kind of hard to talk to you about my case on you when what i want is for other people to pay attention to it but the last interaction anyone had with me about it was this convo with rayn which he abandoned: On August 13 2013 05:01 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:31 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:22 strongandbig wrote:
rayn can you explain why you have a town read on risen?
Do you really think his first reads post could come from scum!Risen? Basically because of that. yes i do and i said why did you read my post? Yes i read your post. First you say Risen is scum for calling out anti-town behavior (Oats/yamato/DI). not for calling out anti-town behavior. For calling people "scum" because they're playing badly as town, not because of actual behaviors that indicate they are scum. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sounds good. You are also saying he should know their meta. Afaik the guy has had a long break from mafia (correct me if i am wrong here). People (aside me) tend to forget how people play in games, just look at Titanic where i was trying to confirm Oats in a way or another from the game he played a couple of weeks ago. Didn´t work. So calling out anti-town behavior without looking into players last games makes him mafia?
well, if he really had forgotten everything about those players then my "should have known better" point wouldn't be correct. I don't think it's that easy to forget things like "this player gets in fights" or especially to forget dandel ion. but anyway, even if that is the case - there's still the fact that an experienced player would, if they were town, know that townies get in fights and fuck up the thread too, and that spamming doesn't make you scum. Come on rayn, making cases against bad play rather than scum-motivated play is scum 101 and that's what risen was doing here, whether or not he knew anyone's meta. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then there is a connection case. You said townies can do that too. That´s right. Did you check if Risen does that as town? As scum? At least you didn´t tell that in your case. If you are gonna tell Risen is scum for something both town/mafia do, at least provide some evidence.
that's why this was a minor point, it's something that both town and scum do but scum are more likely to do it than townies are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Huge post - makes him scum how? i never said it did, i was trying to explain why it doesn't make him town. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Easy reads" for anti town behavior - makes him scum how?
duh. if someone is choosing easy targets and making easy cases against them, it's because that person is not actually trying to find real scum but just trying to look like they are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How is Risen´s post "constructed and careful"?
compare it to the entire rest of his filter. he obviously spent more time on that post than on anything else he's done - it's much longer, but also (for example) he uses quotes more (the only place he uses quotes as examples rather than things to respond to). and yet he spends all that effort making terrible, scummy reads. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only thing that holds water in your post is that he has not explained / pursued his reads. Fuck, a half of the playerbase doesn´t even seem to have reads. If you think Risen´s reads are bad, why don´t you question him on them? Instead you want to hear from people who have been in contact with him?? Why? Why not from him? i want to hear from people who have been in contact with him because maybe he's been putting more effort into his reads and the game outside of the thread. those people can give me information that i can't get from reading his filter. i fully expect him to answer my case but i shouldn't have to ask for it specifically, should i? Well I'm trying to talk to you so you'll change your view on me. Maybe through that interaction other people find me more or less scummy or support your case more or less because they find my answers satisfactory or not. I'd like you to ask me questions and I will answer them, or I'd like you to point me to what needs to be answered. Also, his was posted when Risen was voting snb. Does this sound like someone talking to their scumread to you?
Yes. Always give people the opportunity to talk. Worst case your view stays the same. Best case a now town read talks you out of lynching them.
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And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try?
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On August 15 2013 11:08 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:05 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 10:49 Chromatically wrote:On August 15 2013 05:34 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:28 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:24 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:18 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:
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seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. Though to be fair this is an actual point that might make sense if you hadn't just posted a case. He only repeated his earlier weak case and said Vivax was scum for no reason. Why are you soft defending him while voting for him? Wait what? My vote is on SnB. On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:
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I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant?
I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive.
It's time to increase the pressure.
##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!! I hate people ignoring my case so please link me to or write out exactly what you want answered and I will do so. well, its kind of hard to talk to you about my case on you when what i want is for other people to pay attention to it but the last interaction anyone had with me about it was this convo with rayn which he abandoned: On August 13 2013 05:01 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:31 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:22 strongandbig wrote:
rayn can you explain why you have a town read on risen?
Do you really think his first reads post could come from scum!Risen? Basically because of that. yes i do and i said why did you read my post? Yes i read your post. First you say Risen is scum for calling out anti-town behavior (Oats/yamato/DI). not for calling out anti-town behavior. For calling people "scum" because they're playing badly as town, not because of actual behaviors that indicate they are scum. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sounds good. You are also saying he should know their meta. Afaik the guy has had a long break from mafia (correct me if i am wrong here). People (aside me) tend to forget how people play in games, just look at Titanic where i was trying to confirm Oats in a way or another from the game he played a couple of weeks ago. Didn´t work. So calling out anti-town behavior without looking into players last games makes him mafia?
well, if he really had forgotten everything about those players then my "should have known better" point wouldn't be correct. I don't think it's that easy to forget things like "this player gets in fights" or especially to forget dandel ion. but anyway, even if that is the case - there's still the fact that an experienced player would, if they were town, know that townies get in fights and fuck up the thread too, and that spamming doesn't make you scum. Come on rayn, making cases against bad play rather than scum-motivated play is scum 101 and that's what risen was doing here, whether or not he knew anyone's meta. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then there is a connection case. You said townies can do that too. That´s right. Did you check if Risen does that as town? As scum? At least you didn´t tell that in your case. If you are gonna tell Risen is scum for something both town/mafia do, at least provide some evidence.
that's why this was a minor point, it's something that both town and scum do but scum are more likely to do it than townies are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Huge post - makes him scum how? i never said it did, i was trying to explain why it doesn't make him town. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Easy reads" for anti town behavior - makes him scum how?
duh. if someone is choosing easy targets and making easy cases against them, it's because that person is not actually trying to find real scum but just trying to look like they are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How is Risen´s post "constructed and careful"?
compare it to the entire rest of his filter. he obviously spent more time on that post than on anything else he's done - it's much longer, but also (for example) he uses quotes more (the only place he uses quotes as examples rather than things to respond to). and yet he spends all that effort making terrible, scummy reads. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only thing that holds water in your post is that he has not explained / pursued his reads. Fuck, a half of the playerbase doesn´t even seem to have reads. If you think Risen´s reads are bad, why don´t you question him on them? Instead you want to hear from people who have been in contact with him?? Why? Why not from him? i want to hear from people who have been in contact with him because maybe he's been putting more effort into his reads and the game outside of the thread. those people can give me information that i can't get from reading his filter. i fully expect him to answer my case but i shouldn't have to ask for it specifically, should i? Well I'm trying to talk to you so you'll change your view on me. Maybe through that interaction other people find me more or less scummy or support your case more or less because they find my answers satisfactory or not. I'd like you to ask me questions and I will answer them, or I'd like you to point me to what needs to be answered. Also, his was posted when Risen was voting snb. Does this sound like someone talking to their scumread to you? Yes. Always give people the opportunity to talk. Worst case your view stays the same. Best case a now town read talks you out of lynching them. Still reading, but this is not what you said. You said you wanted to keep talking so his read on YOU might change, not so your read on him might change.
What...
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That's the exact same thing...
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You're not that dense, so I'm going to let you figure it out on your own.
^is what I typed out and almost hit post. I'm going to explain it because I've been continuously reminded of my own advice this game that not everyone thinks the way you do.
Him talking to me to change my view is the same as me talking to him to change his view. People should always be given the chance to talk and be heard so that views can continually be evolving.
I feel like I've been giving clinic after clinic this game. Not necessarily my gameplay, but all the advice I've given on how to play as town.
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On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things
They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you.
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On August 15 2013 11:27 s0Lstice wrote:
no.
if you think he is scum, which you must have since you were voting him, then you shouldn't give two shits about what his read on you is. make sense?
'my dearest scum read...I'm concerned with your read on me even though I think you're scum and your reads are therefore bullshit.'
so either you don't care what his read on you is, or your vote was a sham because you didn't actually think he was scum.
I agree that townies should keep talking to their scum reads to make sure they have it right, but I don't see a townie approaching this by being concerned with how his scumread is supposedly reading him.
You can't ignore anyone in this game. You should care what everyone's read on you is. I don't know he's scum. I also don't know who he influences in this game. Not responding to cases is stupid. I know you're not stupid. Obs is still laughing at you.
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On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him.
Sharrant said he gave Acro the option of Kush or yamato of who to check. He didn't just straight ask for advice on who to check. When you're saying something and another person says no it didn't happen like that you should very quickly run over your facts and double check them or you end up looking like an idiot in the thread. Just look what happened to me earlier today with Xatalos. At least I caught myself before I had made a complete ass of myself like you, though.
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On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him.
Scum reads do not equal confirmed scum. You don't seem to agree with this, and I'm going to say you're a bad player because of it. Until you realize the two are different, you'll always be bad. End of story.
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EBWOP: First post responded to the top, second to the bottom. My bad on that one.
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Hahaha oh man how bad am I, though. This is awesome. Two times in one game!
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On August 15 2013 11:52 Chromatically wrote:
So Risen, what do you think about Sharrant now?
I honestly don't know man... I had thought this entire time Shar went to Acro asking him what he thought of those two. I guess my mind saw the whole "I had them in mind" part and melded it into Shar shooting out the first two suggestions.
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On August 15 2013 11:59 s0Lstice wrote:
QUERIES
here's a query, why is it weird for Rayn to prefer a lord over no lord? Risen had an objection with Rayn being lord, so to avoid a no lord situation, Rayn voted Risen.
This is what I've been trying to defend Rayn with. It's one of those things that feels scummy b/c town don't know who other townies are, and it came to me when it first happened, but I don't think it's indicative of alignment at all.
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On August 15 2013 12:19 Mocsta wrote:
Hmm yeah I misread ok about majority. My bad
There's still the discrepancy risen had no qualm with rayn as lord
I don't understand. I've been telling rayn since after the first night I didn't trust him and wanted to be lord.
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On August 15 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 12:20 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 12:19 Mocsta wrote:
Hmm yeah I misread ok about majority. My bad
There's still the discrepancy risen had no qualm with rayn as lord I don't understand. I've been telling rayn since after the first night I didn't trust him and wanted to be lord. Well that aligns with what rayn said But above someone said. U were ok with him Regardless u are one vote of 4 And didn't have a good cred in the thread I see no reason for rayn to relinquish so easily It's not like oberyn was fighting him to be lord
Not having good cred in the thread isn't the same as not having good thread in the house. Also, voting for lord comes down to voting for someone you think is town. The people of my house have consistently thought I was town since N0. Well... not FT at the end, but I think he might have been lashing out at me for being the one to get him lynched.
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On August 15 2013 13:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? No. He said "dude, I'm a cop. Who should I check?" (paraphrasing, duh) Shit. I was going to ignore you. Failed already 
Wait until you get farther in man... it gets dark for me...
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On August 15 2013 23:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 23:56 Mocsta wrote:On August 15 2013 23:55 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta, DI, Chrom, Sharrant and 1/2 of the active posters.
I could give reasons for all of them. Pls do. I thought reasons woudl be self explanatory. DI/Chrom have been terrorising our House. Both have townreads from everybody but I can see it happen. Sharrant because I like Risen and his case.And then there will be active players that are capable to be scum. (Clarity rayn Xatalos Acro) I need to travel home because it is 1700 but that is the short version.
Clearly hasn't been reading the thread. Scum?
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So we're going to ignore the whole Koshi supporting a case that has been debunked thing clearly proving he's just spouting nonsense so he can appear active in thread?
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