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I will be sleeping in about a hour and a half and maynot be up for deadline. My vote will most likely be staying on Umasi unless I see something major.
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Alright goodnight,Umasi ignores me again and is still my biggest scum read so my vote stays on him.
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On June 11 2013 11:51 fferyllt wrote:Yavanna's posts about Umasi Questions Umasi for calling iV emotional. Sort of a pot/kettle call out. Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 15:22 Yavanna wrote:On June 06 2013 13:01 Umasi wrote:On June 06 2013 12:58 iVLosK! wrote:On June 06 2013 12:56 Xzavier wrote:
##vote:iVlosk!
Ill take this vote back when you defend yourself with logic over brofists Keep it there, then. I like my brofists. Just explain why you think what you do, why you made a preemptive excuse, and why you like your brofists. Liking brofists is BAD. Brofists are emotional. We, as town, do not want emotional. We want thought and logic. I need a little clarification on the bolded point Umasi. You are calling iV's play emotional, yet he seems to be keeping a pretty level head in this shit storm that's started up. The only emotional vibes I'm getting are from you. Are you meaning to be contradicting? Then compliments him for "manning up" Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 15:58 Yavanna wrote:+ Show Spoiler +That's just me being a whiny emotional bitch. I dig this a lot. Way to man up. I respect that. I can understand why he was egging you on though. It did help to start some discussion. Sorry you had to be "that guy". lol. Are you at a null read on iV? I'm really feeling him as uber town, but its so early in the game and so many people haven't posted shit its hard to have a conclusive read on anyone. Or maybe that's just my inexperience talking. Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 16:07 Yavanna wrote:
Ok, well town's opinion aside, go with your gut here. Besides his overall abrasive attitude and the fact that he basically poked you with a stick, what is it that gives you a scum vibe from him? I feel like if he were scum he wouldn't be so in your face with it. I could be terribly wrong though. And this, building on some comments I made about Umasi. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 05:39 Yavanna wrote:Fferllyt I read what you wrote on Umasi. There’s a few things I’d add after taking a closer look at his filter On June 07 2013 02:13 fferyllt wrote:
His first several posts have an enthusiastic and confused newb feel. As iL mentioned (I'm not writing your name out any more because I'm lazy) his trajectory on and off his first vote was confusing. It looked like a random vote, and I don't understand why he decided to remove it so quickly unless maybe it was because nobody else was voting randomly...in which case, hmm. Maybe natural town herd movement. Maybe trying to fit in. The early vote stuck in my mind too. It looked really self-conscious. If you are voting to raise discussion, why does it get removed as soon as someone mentions it? It looks like he had no goal at all with the early vote, as pretty much no positive discussion has been generated by it. The guides said look for both town and scum motivation behind postings, and I am having trouble seeing the town motivation behind a 5 second vote. The rest of his votes too seem like he is playing to some agenda, not earnestly trying to lynch scummy people. This quote too raised my eyebrows: On June 06 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote:On June 06 2013 11:13 iVLosK! wrote:
Lynching lurkers isn't a strategy that I really like in a noobie game. What we'll find is that some people just signed up and fucked off, regardless of alignment. Or people who vastly underestimated the amount of time/effort they'd need to put in.
Having said that, I won't be nailed down and if I feel a lurker is scum I'll vote them in a second and you all will be like "Aww Vlosk said he doesn't like lynching lurkers in noob games!" I don't like how you try to deflect any pressure that could come onto you, before it even comes onto you. There's no reason to feel that you're under suspicion at this point, and I think it points towards blue or scum. Or I'm reading into it to much.At this point I'm leaning towards scum. Pointing out the possibility of being blue doesn’t sit right with me. We are not blue-hunting. I’m worried that it’s on his mind and so easily popped out because he actually IS blue-hunting in the scum QT. What does everyone make of this? There’s also a lot to be said for the benefit of the scum team in regards to getting into a shitfest. From the games I’ve read, it causes town to lose focus, and can be a tactic to misdirect town. It makes me nervous that he was so willing to dive in. He has since addressed it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it cluttered the thread up at the time of the argument. Combined with the stuff you spoke about fferyl, and the stuff I pointed out, I’m very suspicious of Umasi. If the day ended now, I’d be down with lynching him or Firere. I want to hear what both of them have to say to the accusations against them though, specifically the blue thing (Umasi) She's down with lynching Umasi or Firere. Umasi is almost certainly town. I can't see newb scum trying to set up a second bus with Firere already under fire. We had two town-wagons today. :/
I dont see how this clears umasi, yavannas posts could just be looking at who were the most likely people to be lynch at the time. This was so early before votes came in it doesnt mean much imo. Looking at his votes he has voted one dead townie and most likely another in gotard. His posts get more and more scummy also. And his defense is Im going to play how I want not giving much defense at all.
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On June 11 2013 12:24 Xzavier wrote:
I know im town, but if you guys want to put investigative roles on me to check, go ahead. but id rather have them searching for scum over "clearing a townie"
you said yourself were here to hunt scum right now.
And yes im town. I had an inactive day yesterday. that probably wont happen again for the rest of this game.
Onagu and Stimaddict are my prime two suspects, those are who we probably should devote our resources too, unless somebdoy has a better idea? (if so share)
Except many people have put scum reads on you. Also anyone getting rolechecked and has a town alignment is confirmed town at this point because the godfather is dead.
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On June 11 2013 13:02 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 12:54 Onegu wrote:On June 11 2013 12:24 Xzavier wrote:
I know im town, but if you guys want to put investigative roles on me to check, go ahead. but id rather have them searching for scum over "clearing a townie"
you said yourself were here to hunt scum right now.
And yes im town. I had an inactive day yesterday. that probably wont happen again for the rest of this game.
Onagu and Stimaddict are my prime two suspects, those are who we probably should devote our resources too, unless somebdoy has a better idea? (if so share) Except many people have put scum reads on you. Also anyone getting rolechecked and has a town alignment is confirmed town at this point because the godfather is dead. Who are your priorities?
Finding scum should be priorty number one. I still feel Umasi is scum, Stim is now looking slightly scummy to me especially after the lonemeow flip and calling for a vig on a town. Xzav also but I still feel town on him, but want to see more activity from him.
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Just like I said with iV I have posted multiple times saying I think you are town including my most recent post.
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IvLosK after day 2 actions what are your thoughts on umasi, xzavier, and stimaddict? Since night has started you havent really posted much thoughtful insights.
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On June 11 2013 12:54 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 12:24 Xzavier wrote:
I know im town, but if you guys want to put investigative roles on me to check, go ahead. but id rather have them searching for scum over "clearing a townie"
you said yourself were here to hunt scum right now.
And yes im town. I had an inactive day yesterday. that probably wont happen again for the rest of this game.
Onagu and Stimaddict are my prime two suspects, those are who we probably should devote our resources too, unless somebdoy has a better idea? (if so share) Except many people have put scum reads on you. Also anyone getting rolechecked and has a town alignment is confirmed town at this point because the godfather is dead.
Sorry re reading the OP it is possible if we have a SK they can choose cop immunity, so we may still not be able to confirm town...
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On June 11 2013 23:00 iVLosK! wrote:
Why ask me about Xzavier and Stimm when my thought on them are already on this exact page?
I said after day 2 actions not last 24-36 hours, and I see a small 1 liner on xzav on this page but nothing on stim, just asking if anything has changed, mostly on umasi though.
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It did seem noobish at the time he wasnt the only one doing it, lonemeow, gotard and umasi were all doing the same thing. And I didnt think scum would make very strong reads at the time.
To me the only post that really scummy on firere part was the post he sheeps xzaviers idea and puts his vote on Gotard. And I was asleep at the time, I had a null read before that so I put my vote on my highest scum read.
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And if you want to look at someone defending firere and yavanna look at xzavier filter.
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On June 12 2013 03:14 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 16:38 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 16:25 LoneMeow wrote:Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL. On June 07 2013 10:14 fferyllt wrote:On June 06 2013 15:15 LoneMeow wrote:On June 06 2013 14:59 Umasi wrote:
iVLosK, I think you are scum.
Why? Make a case if you have a good read. I'm tempted to disagree though. Yes, iVLosK! is somewhat abrasive and irritating with his attitude, but that's not really alignment indicative. Tempted. What is your read on iV? Leaning slightly on town. Sure, he is somewhat abrasive but he was actively driving discussion. Definitely not a top lynch candidate for me right now. On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:
In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts? I was thinking of pushing you a bit after this, because when you posted this you hadn't stated any real opinions of your own besides sucking up to Xzavier, however your later posts are better so I'm okay with it for now. On June 07 2013 15:14 fferyllt wrote:
There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms.
I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills. This I don't like at all. Looks a lot like trying to fish for an opinion to sheep on when you don't state who you actually suspect, and that I find rather scummy. I think you are right with the last part say who are what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. Lonemeow picked up on it. Onegu agreed. Followed with this: Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. I give my explanation, and he drops the scum-tell aspect and reacts to my concerns about Yavanna Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. In the next exchange, I opened the door and invited him to go after me. He didn't. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 23:03 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 22:51 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 22:42 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads. What do you think? I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority. Are you saying that I'm doing this? No I am not saying you are doing this you have kept to your read and not just jump on gotard. If you jump ship without good reason and just say xzav is doing so Ill drop it. He later said he was leaning town on me because I voted Firere rather than sheeping (I think he meant that Gotard looked like a more likely lynch based on thread sentiment at the time). This isn't really conclusive. I think my body of work at that point was pretty townish, and one post setting off an alarm probably didn't weigh nearly as much.
I dropped it because you posted your thoughts and said what you were thinking.
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On June 08 2013 02:05 Xzavier wrote:
im okay with lynching either one of them today. Firere or gotard.
i have work from 2-8 today (i leave 30 min from now) so im not gonna b able to make lengthy posts, i can explain the reasoning for my vote (if i do switch it)
but right now if gotard isnt mafia, he needs to grow a pair. He made his first constructive post, then didnt even vote for the most scummy person on his list? or one of the current possible bandwagons. Thats weird to me.
but since he has appeared like hes slowly but surely posting more (however scumlike it is) it means we can kill him later if need be on even stronger evidence.
yavannah is newbie as fuck. probably harmless town. wouldnt hurt for her to post more.
iV is troll-town(probably VT)
spicey dinosoar is somebody i was suspicious of for a good amount, but idk. not much he has said makes me think scum.
and what he says makes logical sense, thats more than i can say about half of this thread T.T
skanjab isnt on any of my lists, he puts thought into his actions, and i think there are much better people to lynch right now. and i havnt actually looked at his filter yet.
Ok here is the first yavanna post.
Fuck me. sry gotard. i feel bad about this. you woke up at 5 am to respond to me##unvote##vote gotardthe claim on firere is weak. im going with my gut and my case.I really want to look into lonemeow tomorrow
I dont think either case is ironclad. but i think mine agsinst gotard is much stronger than firere.
And the the firere posts as he flips onto then off of him again.
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Will be sleeping in a half hour or so most likely wont be up until night actions are in.
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Ok so this means scum were not active last night or targeted someone protected by a blue right?
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On June 12 2013 10:00 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 09:54 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 12 2013 09:41 fferyllt wrote:
There are other possibilities. True, veteran took the hit, medic healed. Do you want to reveal those roles now though? I want to see first if an invest role found anything. I dunno. My gut says mass claim, but that's because I want to get to the bottom of this missing kill and see if we can ferret out scum with it.
That seems really dangerous if it doesnt work.
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On June 12 2013 10:24 Umasi wrote:
why would we have any reason to think there is a serial killer?
"what if"
"what if"
literally zero evidence supports it. There may very well just NOT BE A SERIAL KILLER.
Fuck, if no one claims, the only thing we can be sure of is a masoner (because he flipped) and a cop (because there was a godfather)
Worrying about the SK at this point is entirely irrelevant. We can worry about it once we see two kills and no vigilante claim
Sorry how can we know there is a cop, isnt it possible there is a godfather and no cop?
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On June 11 2013 11:14 iVLosK! wrote:
There may not even be a final scum.
2 scum, 1 SK is a perfectly reasonable setup for a 13 player game.
Unfortunately, Yavanna's flip tells us diddly shit because she was gone all game.
As this points out we dont know if there is a third scum.
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On June 12 2013 10:52 Spicydinosaur wrote:You are completely missing everything. Your rant is not justified. Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 09:36 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Well either the jail keeper protected the right person from attack or they jailed the attacker.
Also I think we can rule out SK at this point. This was directed at my jail keeper comment. Not my SK comment as you can see by my response Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 09:54 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 12 2013 09:41 fferyllt wrote:
There are other possibilities. True, veteran took the hit, medic healed. . This really didn't need to be spelled out Umasi it was pretty clear.
Im starting to think umasi just doesnt read anything...
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On June 12 2013 11:11 iVLosK! wrote:Oh shit that was probably the jail, lol. Somebody tried to shoot me and I was jailed. Thanks, Jailer. You're a peach. 
Lol but did it just say roleblocked? Or jailed?
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