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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 18:08 GMT
#746
As an aside, I personally believe Kush should be vigied or DTed rather than lynched. The guy is generally unreadable, and even as town is profoundly unhelpful--and he is a liability at LYLO. I understand that people may want to policy him, and if we can't vigi or DT him that is a more reasonable policy lynch-- though such lynches are bad in general.

I would not policy Kush D1.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 18:33 GMT
#748
the fact that you've never played scum before is meaningless. it's not like your less likely to roll scum now because you haven't before.

also, you're literally troling this game and not trying to solve it. It's not a damn meta case that you're being a useless omgusing flamer instead of helpful.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 18:43 GMT
#751
I... what

you can't just use a bunch of sarcasm and claim you've been helpful already then put together a post like this

On May 15 2013 03:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
@Rayn I like your play this game so much more than other games I've been in with you and it almost worries me. I don't think you could be anything but town atm though.
What are your thoughts regarding VE and Oats' suspicion of him (dropped it once again after thinking he looked scummy without VE having posted anything in between).

I like the case on Oats and since he still hasn't shown up to be useful like I want him to, I'm comfortable voting him. I'm less comfortable with the knowledge that there are scum on my wagon; the problem is I don't know which they are (not that anyone has listened to any push of mine thus far anyway).

I'll hold off my change of vote for a little while though and give BH a sporting chance to try to cook up 5 more people (or however many it is with the Oats vote-stealing thing) since he doesn't seem to want to attempt anything other than be useless and tunnel me all day. If he can't get them soon I move my vote to OO and he'll have to find another person.

CHALLENGE ON


and say "yes i have been helping all along look at how helpful I am"

come on man

nobody's gonna fall for that
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 18:51 GMT
#754
On May 15 2013 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Omg you two. BH the more this goes on the more I start to dubt my read of you. :/

Widen your gaze a little bit. Who else is scum? Who knows...maybe if so.eone agrees with ur further targets they'll be more inclined to vote with you today. OR maybe you'll find someone else is a better target. Like VayneAuthprity for instance.


Your read of me is not relevant to whether or not WoS is scum.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 19:14 GMT
#765
I understand the idea of "mad people must be town" but that's really not true. WoS under pressure does not get mad, he gets serious, he gets down to brass tacks. Like, pretending to be mad is literally one of the easiest things scum can do, and if you think that's a towntell I 100% guarantee you will get suckered by it every time. Is WoS acting angry? sure, yes he is. Is that in any way indicative of a town alignment? Typically I'd say it's a nulltell, but woS normally reacts to pressure by being good, not by being angry. This imo plus his attempting to find me scummy rather than find out who i am (until I called him out on it, of course, then he changed course to look less scummy) should be pretty serious scumtells for you.

I want better reasoning for allt hese not-WoS votes.

That being said I understand there are other people to be talked about today, and so I will offer my thoughts on other players.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 19:19 GMT
#767
WoS literally every criticism I've made of you is valid. I will admit, I haven't offered my thoughts on enough other players since I've been pushing hard for your lynch, but for what it's worth I'm working to rectify that now. That doesn't change that fact that i'm literally right and you're literally scum. you can't just say i'm playing poor when I've already caught scum. You can whine all you want but it's pretty clear you're just trying to fling shit rather than be useful with your final hours alive. Just like a scum.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 19:19 GMT
#770
Even if I have been a bit tunnell-ey, once WoS flips scum I will be vindicated of any of his dumb criticisms anyways
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 19:21 GMT
#772
On May 15 2013 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
See right now, there is literally nothing I could do to prove to BH I am town, which is what makes me angry. He's got the idea in his head, and anything I do and have done since then he is justifying as he pleases rather than look at it objectively.

Once again I challenge the thread: how is this in any way good town play?


This is literally not true. I mean, it woudl be difficult to prove you are town, but here's my advice, advice I typically follow if I am worried about getting mislynched:

when you are under pressure and worried about getting lynched, hunt scum and find a better target than yourself.

Not "OMGUS the best player in the game" or "flame and be wrothless" or "pretend to be mad"

This is how I never get mislynched, I help the fuck out of town
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 19:22 GMT
#775
On May 15 2013 04:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 04:14 Blazinghand wrote:
I understand the idea of "mad people must be town" but that's really not true. WoS under pressure does not get mad, he gets serious, he gets down to brass tacks. Like, pretending to be mad is literally one of the easiest things scum can do, and if you think that's a towntell I 100% guarantee you will get suckered by it every time. Is WoS acting angry? sure, yes he is. Is that in any way indicative of a town alignment? Typically I'd say it's a nulltell, but woS normally reacts to pressure by being good, not by being angry. This imo plus his attempting to find me scummy rather than find out who i am (until I called him out on it, of course, then he changed course to look less scummy) should be pretty serious scumtells for you.

I want better reasoning for allt hese not-WoS votes.

That being said I understand there are other people to be talked about today, and so I will offer my thoughts on other players.


obviously there's no one way to know somebody is mafia or this game would be boring, not all mad people are innocent so you have to use your intuition at that point.

If he flips mafia I look really bad at this point and hes scheduled to be lynched, so think about that for later when deciding on my alignment. Would I really stick myself out this far and look bad on either flip for WoS if I was mafia? Now THAT makes no sense at all.


I'm not saying you're mafia dude, chillax. I'll make a more serious read and case against you. When I call you mafia you know i'm calling you mafia. Why so paranoid?

I'm just saying you need better reasoning than what you got to not lynch WoS. Anyone can fake being mad.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 19:25 GMT
#777
On May 15 2013 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why do you keep drawing me back into these arguments wit you if you're going to attempt to be useful?
At least I'm trying to hold conversations with other people about different fucking topics.

Holy shit dude, I wish there was an ignore function so I could actually play this game properly instead of being baited by you.


I'm not "baiting" you i'm freaking making good cases against you. look, I understand we've been a bit antagonistic with each other but that's not a reason to be like "I'm going to ignore BH" Until I see what I view as legitimate progress towards appearing town from you, I will criticize your play. That's just how it is. Ask some dudes in your QT what to do, they may have some advice.

If you want to tlak to me about another topic i'll be glad to continue to point out awesome useful points which nobody but e would ever think of

until then youre ability to be useful is limited, probably by choice
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 19:36 GMT
#783
This post, right?

On May 15 2013 00:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 00:48 Promethelax wrote:
I believe that both night kills were from scum (a game this size having less than 2 kp for scum would be really odd unless a lot of it is conditional or something) since I believe that and Oats' post felt like genuine shock that a vig would hit DP I think it is what we call in the business a 'townslip'

Basically a scum seeing those flips we think: oh good, our shots went through. A townie could think: jesus why did another townie shoot my town read who people were talking about shooting. A scum would never think: oh god that would have been such a bad vig shot, the scum knows it was a scum shot.

I don't really know if I can make this any clearer but the above is my reasoning for thinking Oats is town. It made more sense before he continued to be scummy and not act the way I expect a town Oats to act. I'm still leaning on the town side of null for Oats because of the above but I'm not as sure as I was.

That's what I figured the reason was but I wanted to hear you explain it. I guess I don't but much faith in 'townslips' as other people do because assumptions like that don;t seem to do me any good.

Now as far as my problems with Oats being scum:
1) It's basically impossible for Oats and BH to both be scum given their voting. It is possible I suppose for them both to be town. I find both to have done scummy things (whether you think it's OMGUS or not) so I am struggling with this given their behaviour.
2) Oats pickup of Vivax's mistake. This is WIFOM but thinking about it now the mistake was glaringly obvious so maybe a towncred grab rather than town analysis of case?
3) The scumread of VE---I share his problem with VE's lack of activity yet I also know that scum know people will call VE out on this as they do every game. (people know lazy VE = scum VE)

I can't figure out if the town side or scum side of these things is more likely or not.
The rest of his play looks scummy to me, especially the quick flip-flop vote only adding rationale later. This is similat to what BH and Vivax have done regarding voting me except they actually put effort into trying to cook up their post-hoc rationale.


I don't see any correlation between Oats and my voting, but I don't like that Oats just sheeped me on the DP claim = null statement, or rather that he made an identical statement without giving me the cred I deserve for being a good thinker.

The assumption of a vigi shot, btw, shoudl not be considered a "townslip"

I get why people would think that, but consider that mafia are aware that the number of mafia shots is not disclosed in the setup.

I will say this though, he was one of the people who turned me on to your weird post that you and I are on the same wavelength. Whatever the case, he at the very least is looking for weird things and trying to hunt scum. Ultimately I am going to say "scummy" for now because the townslip is the kind of thing mafia would fake and he's been sheeping me a lot. That being said, when you flip scum I'm going to be more charitable regarding oats' alignment since it wouldn't make sense for Oats to bus you
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 19:37 GMT
#784
On May 15 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's start with this. Oats says prplhz is pushing for hiro lynch, and at the same time chaoser is not pushing any lynch. If Oats prplhz' posts about hiro is pushing his lynch, chaoser should definitely be pushing my lynch. Oats, explain. Why is prplhz pushing a lynch but chaoser is not?



/dunked
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 19:54 GMT
#789
yes that was saying u dunked him...
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 19:57 GMT
#791
cause wos prio one IMO

OO was small info hunch


WoS high prio case
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 20:02 GMT
#795
BTW wos if it makes you feel better after you flip scum I will lynch your buddy vivax for bussing you so obviously.

your attempted to distance before death is noted though.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 20:14 GMT
#801
hence why we lynh u an not viv
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 20:17 GMT
#803
I'll take look when hone
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 20:17 GMT
#804
but yeua oats not good lynch comp @ wos or even Civ

better than policy tho
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 20:22 GMT
#808
On May 15 2013 05:19 grush57 wrote:
BH isn't WoS putting in a lot of effort for a supposed scum player?


you have a funny idea of how scum is properly played
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 14 2013 20:27 GMT
#813
On May 15 2013 05:24 grush57 wrote:
Yea but you're just tunneling him with bad reasons.
However no one else has a better option and d1 sucks so thats why so many votes are on WoS.


if my reasons are bad please explain why

like shit man what have you done today

ohr ight you have like 3 pots


On May 15 2013 05:24 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 05:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 14 2013 04:38 grush57 wrote:
On May 14 2013 00:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha I just realized something.
In almost every game I have played, all of the wagons that have a chance of getting me mislynched early are started by scum.
See: kita in The Game.
Tunkeg in Ego Mini.
I feel like there's another good example but I can't think of it right now.

Prom if you'd like proof of this I can post links and shit later on.
Here's one actually.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402057&currentpage=64#1272

Hello.
Bad Meta defense that doesn't mean anything.
He doesn't even say this game just almost every game.
Scum?
mmmhmm looks like it

Hey towngrush?
y u do dis?
Don't you have any abyssal passion for me?

Yes but you never claimed abyssal passion.
You jokingly said starsenses.
Scum claim?


oh good thing grush is here to find good reasons

someone vig this kid he's worthless as town and a menace as scum, always makes it to lylo and fucks us
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