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On May 14 2013 06:03 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BH let me get this straight;
You want to lynch WoS for him straight up agreeing with you that scum killed DP, but not Vayne even when he did take a full 180 on flip analysis when you told him scum might have more than 1 KP? Almost! I want to lynch WoS for HOW he agreed with me that scum killed DP, and I want to not lynch vayne because HOW he did his 180 on flip analysis. Perhaps I didn't make this clear enough in my case: Whether someone buddies me, or whether someone disagrees with me, or whether someone derps or is wrong or is right, these are not how you catch scum. Scum can fake agreeing or disagreeing or being good or being bad as much as they want. A scum player could just bus all his buddies and pretend to be a master scumhunter, if all you look at is who he pushes and who he defends. I'm not saying this isn't useful information (since scum obviously don't want to bus) but this is only part of the picture. When you hunt scum, you need to pay attention to HOW people do things, and what they are thinking (or not thinking) when they do. WoS's post, imo, could not have come from a town mindset. I don't think he'd have written what he did the way he did if he really was town and was wondering why we were in agreement. Vayne, on the other hand, really just seems to be that wrongheaded, and although I don't think of him as captain mctown, i can see how from a town PoV Vayne has written what he has. This is how you hunt scum.
it's not the actions that matter, it's the method behind the actions?
right bh?
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why is no one saying anything about oatsmaster
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On May 14 2013 01:11 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises. this may be the single worst post in the thread
On May 14 2013 01:16 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Also someone stole my fucking vote  . Joke's on them though, I never actually vote for scum.  how did this go by without any comment not having played in many games with vote stealers before I don't know what the analysis is, but why would someone steal oats's vote? instead of someone who is actually good at finding scum? Does fakeclaiming having your vote stolen give an excuse to insta-hammer someone? it seems like a decent scum tactic. I really don't like the way this claim went down.
On May 14 2013 01:18 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 15:38 Vivax wrote:On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up? And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question. What do you guys think of this post as answer? I have no clue what it means You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right? And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH. So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that. TLDR: Rayn scumslipped. the way this is treated is nonsensical from a town point of view. if you think you found a scumslip you should go for the throat. like, it doesn't matter that this makes no sense, i've thought things were scumslips before that turned out not to be. but the way it's put across doesn't make any sense from a town point of view. either he's just saying things for the sake of saying them or he's throwing out a "scumslip" to see who bites. do not want.
On May 14 2013 01:19 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets get a wagon rolling
##Vote: WaveofShadow
i mean then there's this
On May 14 2013 01:20 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises. and we return to the single worst post in the thread. so @sloosh's question from above i'll look at the other dudes in a minute but my thoughts on oatsmaster are no gusta.
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On May 14 2013 07:12 Vivax wrote:
It's the method, you mean. I speak for BH in his absence
Come vote WoS.
/dunked
if you tell read oatsmaster and tell me what you think of my attack, i promise i will read your filter and tell you what i think of your attack on wos
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On May 12 2013 19:48 Bill Murray wrote:
hi guys
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7Hbrlxz.png)
pubic service announcement bill murray is signed up for this game and also he posted
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quick oatsmaster update: I don't like that no one is talking about him T_T
guess i need to be more like bh if i want people to talk about my arguments
Anyway I'm gonna do something else so I dont just tunnel him for all of time
question for shirokami:
I see you posting a bunch of one-liners about how you agree with bh's case on wos. Could you give me your second best scum read and why? Or maybe read someone else's case on their scumread and tell me why they are wrong?
Same question for vayneauthority except with wos replaced by prplhz.
Responding to a question asked of me:
On May 14 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 07:20 strongandbig wrote:On May 12 2013 19:48 Bill Murray wrote:
hi guys pubic service announcement bill murray is signed up for this game and also he posted Funny pic is always +1 to town in my book. y u no vote Oats, SnB?
I generally don't like to vote until I'm pretty serious about killing someone. I'd like for some more people to tell me what they think about Oats before I decide whether to commit to voting him.
My opinion on someone else that has votes on him:
I quite like Sloosh's case on Ryan:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 10:42 slOosh wrote:The last votecount should have WoS at [L-6]We need to start consolidating our votes. 6 wagons with a handful of people who I can't recall posting is a recipe for disaster.
I really would like more discussion on rayn than "he is good if not we can kill him later". 1) I have no idea how good he is, and even if he was good, there's no reason to give "good players" a "free multi day pass". 2) This doesn't actually work. In Liquid City Mafia, I was caught and exposed early by BloodyCobbler because of my weak scum play, yet no one actually lynched me. 3) Traditionally mafia KP is based upon mafia #. Lowering mafia # lowers mafia KP. His re-entry into the thread has 3 red flags: Flag 1:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree with Prome on OO. I also do not like OO's analysis on my playstyle in this game. I can't read OO well and after Red Team Prize i have just mostly ignored him. Here i think he is a good lynch.
There is 0 contribution in this post. He sheeps Prome, comments that he doesn't like OO's analysis on himself but neglects to give any concrete proof or explanation, pre-emptively shirks responsibility for making a correct lynch by saying that he cannot read him, admits to ignoring him, and still concludes that he is a good lynch. Flag 2:From memory or reread, look at the people who find rayn suspicious. Ok. Now look at the things / people he chooses to address. Ok. Notice the discrepancy? He totally fails to address me. The one who (arguably) made the most clear cut, straightforward case against him. Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet Instead of addressing this primary suspicion on him, he chooses to instead address Vivax's fake - role name business, which wasn't even the primary source of suspicion on him. This is cherry picking; this is sidestepping. Flag 3:False "contribution". I don't remember who said this, but they said they liked rayn's most recent contributions. Well they should read again. Pick out just how many of his posts are questions. Those posts are not alignment telling - scum can do it no problem because it's so easy. In fact I resort to asking questions as scum because it's safe and I know I won't get flak for it, but it makes it look like I'm participating in discussion. You have to look into purpose and motivation behind the questions. The ultimate difference in scum and town is that town want scum dead while scum want to look like they want scum dead. Therefore, the ultimate heuristic in finding scum is to ask "are they actually trying to get scum lynched?" From his filter, rayn's only "meaningful" suspicion is on OO. You can see this because he tries to get people to focus on OO. However, they are in the form of "what do you think of OO? why not lynch him?", when he himself had given no proper reasoning to lynching him. There is no honest effort to make players understand his view of OO. It is uncertain if he actually wants OO (or anyone in particular) lynched or not. Makings of scum play - as long as it isn't scum, they don't care where the lynch lands. Everyone who hasn't, and everyone who has needs to give their updated views on rayn. If you want to push for someone else, you best have something more than a 1 liner saying "he looks bad".
Rayne did respond to this but I don't find his response sufficient:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 15 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:First, Sloosh and your case: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
That was the absolutely worst vig shot in the history of mafia Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or scum decided to kill a dude under pressure. How can it be both a bad vig shot and a bad scum shot? This makes no sense at all.
In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. (1)This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. (2)Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. (3)Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? (4)Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet 1) No it's not. It's an opinion that i expressed as simple as it was possible. I think claiming miller in a setup where the number (or existance) of millers is not known is stupid or scum. 2) The bolded part you quoted; I think as town you should play as pro-town as possible, right? Cops do not check people they think are town right? I didn't understand why DP, at the start of the game, was worried about being checked by a cop. For me it seemed like he was scum who was afraid of being checked. I hope you get what i mean. 3 and 4) As is said, i unfortunately have limited time. I was not interested in kitaman at that time, i did not know what to make of him calling WoS scum that early in the game, so i ignored it. I wanted to hear more from DP, and wanted him to do something else than to defend himself. Everyone was discussing him at that moment, i wanted to know what else than his claim was on his mind. If i got something else to clarify to you, ask me.
About why i am voting for OO: What Prome said about OO and OO having an explanation to the DP night kill. In top of that DP was suspicious of OO, makes sense. Another thing that's very very odd from OO: OO called me out for meta reasons. I then posted in thread that i have a tight work schedule. What does OO answer: Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:04 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh does this mean you are more busy than last game, Rayn? I'll keep that in mind then.
As far as my comment, it's exactly what it said. You asked a shit load of questions last game as town and it worked very well for a) me seeing that we were having similar thought processes and b) you generated a lot of things to analyze by prodding people. I wasn't seeing that from you so far here but if that's due to a change in your schedule then that potentially changes my expectations of town you in this scenario. In my opinion this has nothing to do with meta, at all. If i post less i post less, but i still act as i usually do whatever my alignment is. OO is dropping his meta scum-read on me because of my work schedule. How does that make sense? Right, it doesn't, unless he knows i'm town and made up a meta read on me before i was even able to fully contribute to anything but DP-stuff.
shiro: You are saying that if WoS is town i am scum. How does that make sense? Are you saying i am not able to form town reads on people other people think is scum? I have given my reasons why i think WoS is town, are they bullshit? Elaborate please.
Ryan doesn't address two of Sloosh's stronger points: that Ryan is asking more questions than he is making contributions or providing opinions, in such a way as to appear to be contributing without actually contributing, and that he's not engaging with his serious opponents but instead cherry-picking weaker posts to respond to.
That said I like that ryan is actually taking a serious look at oatsmaster, who i still think is more likely to be scum.
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On May 15 2013 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Omg you two. BH the more this goes on the more I start to dubt my read of you. :/
Widen your gaze a little bit. Who else is scum? Who knows...maybe if so.eone agrees with ur further targets they'll be more inclined to vote with you today. OR maybe you'll find someone else is a better target. Like VayneAuthprity for instance.
VE i cant tell are you seriously pushing on VA or not?
If it's serious i gotta say, his vote on prplhz for low amounts of reasoning looks a lot like your vote on him for low amoutns of reasoning. can you post more than "i dont like his vote on prplhz"?
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On May 15 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:quick oatsmaster update: I don't like that no one is talking about him T_Tguess i need to be more like bh if i want people to talk about my arguments Anyway I'm gonna do something else so I dont just tunnel him for all of time
question for shirokami: I see you posting a bunch of one-liners about how you agree with bh's case on wos. Could you give me your second best scum read and why? Or maybe read someone else's case on their scumread and tell me why they are wrong?
Same question for vayneauthority except with wos replaced by prplhz.
Responding to a question asked of me: On May 14 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 14 2013 07:20 strongandbig wrote:On May 12 2013 19:48 Bill Murray wrote:
hi guys pubic service announcement bill murray is signed up for this game and also he posted Funny pic is always +1 to town in my book. y u no vote Oats, SnB? I generally don't like to vote until I'm pretty serious about killing someone. I'd like for some more people to tell me what they think about Oats before I decide whether to commit to voting him.
My opinion on someone else that has votes on him: I quite like Sloosh's case on Ryan: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 10:42 slOosh wrote:The last votecount should have WoS at [L-6]We need to start consolidating our votes. 6 wagons with a handful of people who I can't recall posting is a recipe for disaster.
I really would like more discussion on rayn than "he is good if not we can kill him later". 1) I have no idea how good he is, and even if he was good, there's no reason to give "good players" a "free multi day pass". 2) This doesn't actually work. In Liquid City Mafia, I was caught and exposed early by BloodyCobbler because of my weak scum play, yet no one actually lynched me. 3) Traditionally mafia KP is based upon mafia #. Lowering mafia # lowers mafia KP. His re-entry into the thread has 3 red flags: Flag 1:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree with Prome on OO. I also do not like OO's analysis on my playstyle in this game. I can't read OO well and after Red Team Prize i have just mostly ignored him. Here i think he is a good lynch.
There is 0 contribution in this post. He sheeps Prome, comments that he doesn't like OO's analysis on himself but neglects to give any concrete proof or explanation, pre-emptively shirks responsibility for making a correct lynch by saying that he cannot read him, admits to ignoring him, and still concludes that he is a good lynch. Flag 2:From memory or reread, look at the people who find rayn suspicious. Ok. Now look at the things / people he chooses to address. Ok. Notice the discrepancy? He totally fails to address me. The one who (arguably) made the most clear cut, straightforward case against him. Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet Instead of addressing this primary suspicion on him, he chooses to instead address Vivax's fake - role name business, which wasn't even the primary source of suspicion on him. This is cherry picking; this is sidestepping. Flag 3:False "contribution". I don't remember who said this, but they said they liked rayn's most recent contributions. Well they should read again. Pick out just how many of his posts are questions. Those posts are not alignment telling - scum can do it no problem because it's so easy. In fact I resort to asking questions as scum because it's safe and I know I won't get flak for it, but it makes it look like I'm participating in discussion. You have to look into purpose and motivation behind the questions. The ultimate difference in scum and town is that town want scum dead while scum want to look like they want scum dead. Therefore, the ultimate heuristic in finding scum is to ask "are they actually trying to get scum lynched?" From his filter, rayn's only "meaningful" suspicion is on OO. You can see this because he tries to get people to focus on OO. However, they are in the form of "what do you think of OO? why not lynch him?", when he himself had given no proper reasoning to lynching him. There is no honest effort to make players understand his view of OO. It is uncertain if he actually wants OO (or anyone in particular) lynched or not. Makings of scum play - as long as it isn't scum, they don't care where the lynch lands. Everyone who hasn't, and everyone who has needs to give their updated views on rayn. If you want to push for someone else, you best have something more than a 1 liner saying "he looks bad". Rayne did respond to this but I don't find his response sufficient: + Show Spoiler +On May 15 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:First, Sloosh and your case: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
That was the absolutely worst vig shot in the history of mafia Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or scum decided to kill a dude under pressure. How can it be both a bad vig shot and a bad scum shot? This makes no sense at all.
In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. (1)This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. (2)Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. (3)Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? (4)Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet 1) No it's not. It's an opinion that i expressed as simple as it was possible. I think claiming miller in a setup where the number (or existance) of millers is not known is stupid or scum. 2) The bolded part you quoted; I think as town you should play as pro-town as possible, right? Cops do not check people they think are town right? I didn't understand why DP, at the start of the game, was worried about being checked by a cop. For me it seemed like he was scum who was afraid of being checked. I hope you get what i mean. 3 and 4) As is said, i unfortunately have limited time. I was not interested in kitaman at that time, i did not know what to make of him calling WoS scum that early in the game, so i ignored it. I wanted to hear more from DP, and wanted him to do something else than to defend himself. Everyone was discussing him at that moment, i wanted to know what else than his claim was on his mind. If i got something else to clarify to you, ask me.
About why i am voting for OO: What Prome said about OO and OO having an explanation to the DP night kill. In top of that DP was suspicious of OO, makes sense. Another thing that's very very odd from OO: OO called me out for meta reasons. I then posted in thread that i have a tight work schedule. What does OO answer: Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:04 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh does this mean you are more busy than last game, Rayn? I'll keep that in mind then.
As far as my comment, it's exactly what it said. You asked a shit load of questions last game as town and it worked very well for a) me seeing that we were having similar thought processes and b) you generated a lot of things to analyze by prodding people. I wasn't seeing that from you so far here but if that's due to a change in your schedule then that potentially changes my expectations of town you in this scenario. In my opinion this has nothing to do with meta, at all. If i post less i post less, but i still act as i usually do whatever my alignment is. OO is dropping his meta scum-read on me because of my work schedule. How does that make sense? Right, it doesn't, unless he knows i'm town and made up a meta read on me before i was even able to fully contribute to anything but DP-stuff.
shiro: You are saying that if WoS is town i am scum. How does that make sense? Are you saying i am not able to form town reads on people other people think is scum? I have given my reasons why i think WoS is town, are they bullshit? Elaborate please. Ryan doesn't address two of Sloosh's stronger points: that Ryan is asking more questions than he is making contributions or providing opinions, in such a way as to appear to be contributing without actually contributing, and that he's not engaging with his serious opponents but instead cherry-picking weaker posts to respond to. That said I like that ryan is actually taking a serious look at oatsmaster, who i still think is more likely to be scum. See this is exactly what I mean. WTF is this? Look at how many of my posts are about Oats. How can I take this fucking game seriously?
true but no one is listening to you, so it doesn't really help - i want to get some discussion on him.
what does me leaving you out have to do with taking the game seriously? like, huh?
On May 15 2013 04:02 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:quick oatsmaster update: I don't like that no one is talking about him T_T guess i need to be more like bh if i want people to talk about my arguments Anyway I'm gonna do something else so I dont just tunnel him for all of time
question for shirokami: I see you posting a bunch of one-liners about how you agree with bh's case on wos. Could you give me your second best scum read and why? Or maybe read someone else's case on their scumread and tell me why they are wrong?
Same question for vayneauthority except with wos replaced by prplhz.
Responding to a question asked of me: On May 14 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 14 2013 07:20 strongandbig wrote:On May 12 2013 19:48 Bill Murray wrote:
hi guys pubic service announcement bill murray is signed up for this game and also he posted Funny pic is always +1 to town in my book. y u no vote Oats, SnB? I generally don't like to vote until I'm pretty serious about killing someone. I'd like for some more people to tell me what they think about Oats before I decide whether to commit to voting him.
My opinion on someone else that has votes on him: I quite like Sloosh's case on Ryan: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 10:42 slOosh wrote:The last votecount should have WoS at [L-6]We need to start consolidating our votes. 6 wagons with a handful of people who I can't recall posting is a recipe for disaster.
I really would like more discussion on rayn than "he is good if not we can kill him later". 1) I have no idea how good he is, and even if he was good, there's no reason to give "good players" a "free multi day pass". 2) This doesn't actually work. In Liquid City Mafia, I was caught and exposed early by BloodyCobbler because of my weak scum play, yet no one actually lynched me. 3) Traditionally mafia KP is based upon mafia #. Lowering mafia # lowers mafia KP. His re-entry into the thread has 3 red flags: Flag 1:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree with Prome on OO. I also do not like OO's analysis on my playstyle in this game. I can't read OO well and after Red Team Prize i have just mostly ignored him. Here i think he is a good lynch.
There is 0 contribution in this post. He sheeps Prome, comments that he doesn't like OO's analysis on himself but neglects to give any concrete proof or explanation, pre-emptively shirks responsibility for making a correct lynch by saying that he cannot read him, admits to ignoring him, and still concludes that he is a good lynch. Flag 2:From memory or reread, look at the people who find rayn suspicious. Ok. Now look at the things / people he chooses to address. Ok. Notice the discrepancy? He totally fails to address me. The one who (arguably) made the most clear cut, straightforward case against him. Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet Instead of addressing this primary suspicion on him, he chooses to instead address Vivax's fake - role name business, which wasn't even the primary source of suspicion on him. This is cherry picking; this is sidestepping. Flag 3:False "contribution". I don't remember who said this, but they said they liked rayn's most recent contributions. Well they should read again. Pick out just how many of his posts are questions. Those posts are not alignment telling - scum can do it no problem because it's so easy. In fact I resort to asking questions as scum because it's safe and I know I won't get flak for it, but it makes it look like I'm participating in discussion. You have to look into purpose and motivation behind the questions. The ultimate difference in scum and town is that town want scum dead while scum want to look like they want scum dead. Therefore, the ultimate heuristic in finding scum is to ask "are they actually trying to get scum lynched?" From his filter, rayn's only "meaningful" suspicion is on OO. You can see this because he tries to get people to focus on OO. However, they are in the form of "what do you think of OO? why not lynch him?", when he himself had given no proper reasoning to lynching him. There is no honest effort to make players understand his view of OO. It is uncertain if he actually wants OO (or anyone in particular) lynched or not. Makings of scum play - as long as it isn't scum, they don't care where the lynch lands. Everyone who hasn't, and everyone who has needs to give their updated views on rayn. If you want to push for someone else, you best have something more than a 1 liner saying "he looks bad". Rayne did respond to this but I don't find his response sufficient: + Show Spoiler +On May 15 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:First, Sloosh and your case: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
That was the absolutely worst vig shot in the history of mafia Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or scum decided to kill a dude under pressure. How can it be both a bad vig shot and a bad scum shot? This makes no sense at all.
In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. (1)This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. (2)Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. (3)Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? (4)Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet 1) No it's not. It's an opinion that i expressed as simple as it was possible. I think claiming miller in a setup where the number (or existance) of millers is not known is stupid or scum. 2) The bolded part you quoted; I think as town you should play as pro-town as possible, right? Cops do not check people they think are town right? I didn't understand why DP, at the start of the game, was worried about being checked by a cop. For me it seemed like he was scum who was afraid of being checked. I hope you get what i mean. 3 and 4) As is said, i unfortunately have limited time. I was not interested in kitaman at that time, i did not know what to make of him calling WoS scum that early in the game, so i ignored it. I wanted to hear more from DP, and wanted him to do something else than to defend himself. Everyone was discussing him at that moment, i wanted to know what else than his claim was on his mind. If i got something else to clarify to you, ask me.
About why i am voting for OO: What Prome said about OO and OO having an explanation to the DP night kill. In top of that DP was suspicious of OO, makes sense. Another thing that's very very odd from OO: OO called me out for meta reasons. I then posted in thread that i have a tight work schedule. What does OO answer: Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:04 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh does this mean you are more busy than last game, Rayn? I'll keep that in mind then.
As far as my comment, it's exactly what it said. You asked a shit load of questions last game as town and it worked very well for a) me seeing that we were having similar thought processes and b) you generated a lot of things to analyze by prodding people. I wasn't seeing that from you so far here but if that's due to a change in your schedule then that potentially changes my expectations of town you in this scenario. In my opinion this has nothing to do with meta, at all. If i post less i post less, but i still act as i usually do whatever my alignment is. OO is dropping his meta scum-read on me because of my work schedule. How does that make sense? Right, it doesn't, unless he knows i'm town and made up a meta read on me before i was even able to fully contribute to anything but DP-stuff.
shiro: You are saying that if WoS is town i am scum. How does that make sense? Are you saying i am not able to form town reads on people other people think is scum? I have given my reasons why i think WoS is town, are they bullshit? Elaborate please. Ryan doesn't address two of Sloosh's stronger points: that Ryan is asking more questions than he is making contributions or providing opinions, in such a way as to appear to be contributing without actually contributing, and that he's not engaging with his serious opponents but instead cherry-picking weaker posts to respond to. That said I like that ryan is actually taking a serious look at oatsmaster, who i still think is more likely to be scum. Dont understand your question since I started the prplhz scumread, please rephrase your question.
Could you either post a second scumread and explanation for it, or evaluate one of the cases someone else has made on someone with votes on them, and explain why you disagree
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On May 15 2013 05:24 grush57 wrote:
Yea but you're just tunneling him with bad reasons.
However no one else has a better option and d1 sucks so thats why so many votes are on WoS.
do you have a better idea plz post scumread
also shirokami answer my question plzkthxbai
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I'm kinda down to lynch OO after that stunt
Still rather lynch scum though. Killing oats FTW!
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What if the reason his vote doesn't count isn't because it was stolen but because he is a VI and his vote never counts so that he can't hammer himself
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So the day ends in six hours right?
##vote: oatsmaster
i will be around to consolidate in a few hours if need be but we need to start getting some votes up in this biatch
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On May 15 2013 11:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
We have an hour. I don't even think enough people are going to show up to lynchtime for consolidation to even be possible.
I'll do my part simply because I want to see a flip. Sorry OO. I'm not convinced of your scumminess but to me you're the scummiest out of the likely candidates and I want to see a flip.
##Vote: ObviousOne
i sort of agree with this but also there's the whole stupid martyring thing to consider
##vote: obviousone
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On May 15 2013 11:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
We have an hour. I don't even think enough people are going to show up to lynchtime for consolidation to even be possible.
I'll do my part simply because I want to see a flip. Sorry OO. I'm not convinced of your scumminess but to me you're the scummiest out of the likely candidates and I want to see a flip.
##Vote: ObviousOne
i sort of agree with this but also there's the whole stupid martyring thing to consider
##unvote
##vote: obviousone
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On May 15 2013 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 12:12 strongandbig wrote:On May 15 2013 11:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
We have an hour. I don't even think enough people are going to show up to lynchtime for consolidation to even be possible.
I'll do my part simply because I want to see a flip. Sorry OO. I'm not convinced of your scumminess but to me you're the scummiest out of the likely candidates and I want to see a flip.
##Vote: ObviousOne i sort of agree with this but also there's the whole stupid martyring thing to consider ##unvote
##vote: obviousone why him and not me?
because i was already voting you but you seem unlikely to ge tlynched in the next thirteen minutes
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On May 15 2013 18:00 ObviousOne wrote:Earlier in the game I posted that I had some suspicion on SNB for lack of scum hunting. He ended up tunneling Oatsmaster a lot. I still think this is a scumslip: Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 06:47 strongandbig wrote:
I'm kinda down to lynch OO after that stunt
Still rather lynch scum though. Killing oats FTW! His points against Oats: Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 07:13 strongandbig wrote:On May 14 2013 01:11 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises. this may be the single worst post in the thread On May 14 2013 01:16 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Also someone stole my fucking vote . Joke's on them though, I never actually vote for scum. how did this go by without any comment not having played in many games with vote stealers before I don't know what the analysis is, but why would someone steal oats's vote? instead of someone who is actually good at finding scum? Does fakeclaiming having your vote stolen give an excuse to insta-hammer someone? it seems like a decent scum tactic. I really don't like the way this claim went down. On May 14 2013 01:18 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 15:38 Vivax wrote:On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up? And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question. What do you guys think of this post as answer? I have no clue what it means You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right? And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH. So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that. TLDR: Rayn scumslipped. the way this is treated is nonsensical from a town point of view. if you think you found a scumslip you should go for the throat. like, it doesn't matter that this makes no sense, i've thought things were scumslips before that turned out not to be. but the way it's put across doesn't make any sense from a town point of view. either he's just saying things for the sake of saying them or he's throwing out a "scumslip" to see who bites. do not want. On May 14 2013 01:19 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets get a wagon rolling
##Vote: WaveofShadow
i mean then there's this On May 14 2013 01:20 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises. and we return to the single worst post in the thread. so @sloosh's question from above i'll look at the other dudes in a minute but my thoughts on oatsmaster are no gusta. -for oats wanting to kill people with anti town attitudes (i see nothing wrong with oats' opinion on this) -for oats claiming his vote was stolen (he's not hiding information from town, why expose there was a vote steal if his mafia teammate has it?) -for oats using flavor (role name given to player) to determine scumslips (okay that's crazy by oats, but crazy is not alignment indicative for oats lol, and it was an amusing angle in looking at Rayn) -for helping to get a wagon on WOS started (at least spurring the town to action, intent is to get people to take sides on a wagon, progressive move) In short, I find his case/points garbage and I want other people to take a look at him to hear if they think his points are garbage.
Okay let's talk about this stuff
- Wanting to kill people who "have a bad attitude" or who "are making promises" are classic scum tactics. Scum need to find someone to kill for a reason other than that they are scum, and this is often taken as an easy out. The reason that's the scummiest and worst post in the thread is that oats is trying to pass this off as normal.
- I don't care that oats claimed that his vote was stolen, I care that he just casually passed it off without bringing any attention or analysis to it. It's a scummy way to make a claim of kind of an unusual role-mechanic.
- It's not the way that oats came to the conclusion that rayn had scumslipped, it's how he reacted to the supposed scumslip. If you're a townie and you think someone has scumslipped, you jump all over them. You explain why it's a scumslip, you bring it to people's attention, you try and get that scum killed. Instead oats just casually threw out "hey doods its a scum slip," without pursuing it or even explaining what the scumslip was.
- finally, if you really think voting someone early, in an instant-majority game, without explaining yourself further than "let's get this wagon rolling" is a good townie way to play, I would hate to live in a town where you were in charge. The scum motivation for that kind of vote is totally clear.
in short i find your opinion on my points to be garbage. qed
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On May 16 2013 00:25 shirokami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of? Im waiting for more than words against words.
shirokami you really haven't said anything about anything anyone else has said - could you do that please? Maybe comment on my oats case or do some analysis that is more than a couple of lines long?
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On May 15 2013 08:51 Promethelax wrote:
SnB: why is it that you disagree with the town tell I have brought up about Oats? How much have you played with him before? The kid is a bit all over the place, though I love him he ccan be an idiot and the 180s and calling out his own scumminess are both present in his town games as well as his scum games.
didnt get to this earlier, but i assume you're talking about his reaction to DP's death - I think that given that DP was under pretty heavy pressure, we all acknowledged that it was a bit of an odd NK for scum; i could see scum posting what DP did even if it was a scum nk, since they might think it's possible to convince town it's a vig shot.
it's also still possible that it was a vig shot - scum most likely do have 2kp as you say, but it's possible that one of them was medic blocked n1, or that kita jailkept a scum and rb'd a shot, or who knows what. closed setup -> i'd rather rely on my analysis of oats's actions than his reaction to an nk.
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On May 16 2013 04:04 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:On May 16 2013 00:25 shirokami wrote:On May 15 2013 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of? Im waiting for more than words against words. shirokami you really haven't said anything about anything anyone else has said - could you do that please? Maybe comment on my oats case or do some analysis that is more than a couple of lines long? He has played thread police and that's about as useful as he's been, from memory. I too would like to see more.
hey oo lets work together for a minute! what do you think about chaoser? he's been kind of a non-entity most of this game but there's still some stuff there to read - do you think all his questions are genuinely pro-town or are just contributing for the sake of it? I think many of his questions don't actually have a clear path to helping uncover someone's alignment. I also think it's kind of odd how he first attacks prome's reasoning for calling you scum, then casually says he's cool with your wagon, but never actually votes you.
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On May 16 2013 04:14 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:11 strongandbig wrote:On May 16 2013 04:04 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:On May 16 2013 00:25 shirokami wrote:On May 15 2013 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of? Im waiting for more than words against words. shirokami you really haven't said anything about anything anyone else has said - could you do that please? Maybe comment on my oats case or do some analysis that is more than a couple of lines long? He has played thread police and that's about as useful as he's been, from memory. I too would like to see more. hey oo lets work together for a minute! what do you think about chaoser? he's been kind of a non-entity most of this game but there's still some stuff there to read - do you think all his questions are genuinely pro-town or are just contributing for the sake of it? I think many of his questions don't actually have a clear path to helping uncover someone's alignment. I also think it's kind of odd how he first attacks prome's reasoning for calling you scum, then casually says he's cool with your wagon, but never actually votes you. He strikes me as odd but my gut was saying he was laying low as town. He gets mentioned now and then in the game but really is under the radar. He is definitely someone I also hope to see more from today or I might attribute his lack of engagement to hiding as mafia. Side question since I don't really know him: does he usually shine like a radiant beacon of towniness as town, if you happen to know?
yeah i agree with the bolded sentence exactly. I don't know how laying low can be seen as pro-town, and a lot of his questions seem tangential to me, but he also tells everyone not to clog up the thread.
For your question, I don't actually know much about his play, he was around when I started playing but I haven't played much with him that I remember. Better to ask VE, BH, or prp, they've all been around a lot longer than I have
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