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On August 22 2012 22:47 DarthPunk wrote: Yes I think they are forced too at this point. I think that one of them is Bussing. Solarsail is scum and voting golbat. so I view him as town. I think obvious is town also as he was so quick to drop the Golbat lynch after looking into solar's filter. I think a scum obvious would have tried slightly harder to go for the easy mislynch. That leaves either Stutters or Z-boson as scum bussing YH. This scenario seems even more Likely after both Z-boson and Solar tried those vote switching shenanigans at the last minute trying to shift away from the your harry lynch. @Obvious and Goodkarma. My top scum reads at this point are: Z-Boson and Solarsail | ||
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It is also strange that your harry only voted for Solarsail at the very last minute when it was not going to effect the outcome and it was half hearted at best. This is in contrast to his previous behaviour when on both day one and two he aggressively pursued a mislynch on another leading candidate. I feel like Solar is scum so the counter wagon on him was not really an option. Otherwise wouldn't scum have expended more effort in securing his lynch? I think scum tried to form a wagon on GK. Z- Boson placed a FoS on him and YH voted for him. Also solar and Z- boson both happen to be the people pushing for a vote swap last minute which when combined with the other suspicions against them fits together nicely. Just my current thoughts. | ||
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On August 23 2012 19:14 Z-BosoN wrote: @gk and dp I noticed it looked suspicious, me trying to change vote at the last minute, but I did so because I did quite a bit of thinking and thought I had enough reason as to why Solar Sail would be a better candidate then YourHarry. The timing really looks suspicious, because I was busy doing other things and my focus was not on Solar when it should have been. As soon as I decided that Solar was a better candidate, I tried doing a switch, when we still had around an hour to go. I have school in a couple of minutes, but when I get back, I'll explain in detail as to why I think Solar was a better candidate than YourHarry and still is a strong one. Also, what exactly is so incriminating me trying to vote-switch at the very end? Now that YH is guilty, it doesn't look nice, but how was I supposed to know? I had a hunch, had my reasons, and I followed them as best I could, because I honestly thought we were going to lose. What are your reasons? having an unexplained 'Hunch' is the justification your harry used constantly. The vote switch at the end was clearly anti town even before harry flipped. It looks supremely suspicious now. | ||
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Here are my current reads. GK. <3 Stutters. His day 2 play with YH has me leaning town with him. Obvious: not convinced either way. Golbat. Meh, he and YH went at each other pretty hard during day 2 and if he is sick that would explain his lurking. I don't think we should be lynching lurkers. To be honest. I am almost certain he is town. Your harry has tried to get a lynch on him several times. and has cast suspicion on him since day one. He and your harry went at each other hard day 2, and he was being set up for a lynch night 3 seems to me that he is just super inactive townie. Z- Boson: SCUM Solar: SCUM At this point in my mind it comes down to two of either Z- Boson Solarsail Obvious. With a heavy lean towards the first two | ||
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On August 24 2012 08:03 Z-BosoN wrote: @DarthPunk So, according to you, everyone should mindlessly base themselves on goodkarma? I don't think that's good for the town. What's good for the town is making discussions and reaching thought-out conclusions. At the end, if no compromise is made, THEN we make decisions based on gk. Am I wrong here? I don't think I ever said that? Care to identify the post in which I made such a claim? I have not sheeped GK. I had a scum read on Your Harry since day one. I disagree with GK on his read on golbat and stated that. GK disagrees with me on Solar and has stated that. I was the first to cast suspicion on you and if others then do the same then that is their prerogative. I don't see what town purpose you have for perpetuating this idea. | ||
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On August 24 2012 08:03 Solarsail wrote: You're correct, that would be biased deduction. But that's not what happened. The arguments of the two posts against you have been: Goodkarma: "Z-Boson's scummy behavior is related to the last minute vote switch request" Obvious: "The guy who has been laying into YH the entire game has a change of heart just before the deadline." Those aren't "A scum Boson would be doing X". Those are, "Boson's behaviour here and here is scummy". Please give town motivations for the listed behaviour. Yeah dude, this is completely accurate. Just because your defense is WIFOM does not mean that the case against you is. this is really suspicious. | ||
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On August 24 2012 08:18 Z-BosoN wrote: You didn't use the word mindlessly, but one can interpret this from: The town purpose? Stimulate discussion. Force people to make their own reads. A blind band wagon will ultimately succeed based only on the choice of the leader's target... The town purpose is that the eggs choose what basket they should jump into, and not have one egg choose it for them. That way it is easier to prove that I'm innocent if I'm innocent, and harder to prove that if I'm scum. I actually said IF I DIE. Please follow GK town! thanks for blatantly mis-quoting me. | ||
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On August 24 2012 08:19 Z-BosoN wrote: @Darthpunk Stop saying "this is suspicious", and say why you think it is. Explain to me the difference. Again, It is obvious. but using WIFOM to defend yourself and then because your defense is WIFOM dismissing the case against you as WIFOM is suspicious, as you are trying to squirm out of a situation without an invalid, and frankly ridiculous argument. Your town motivation that you have provided directly contradicts your earlier actions. You believed that Solar was a far stronger case but provided zero evidence at the time. You have made cases against YH all game and yet tried to switch the vote from him at the last minute. This is with no case against solar and no contribution to the cases others had made against him. The last minute push by both yourself and Your Harry reek of WIFOM bombs. and therefore my read will not use the associative information on solar gained at the end of day 3. One question would ask SOLAR? You tried to alter the vote at the last minute whilst you were the other leading candidate. Who would you have voted for and why? if we had decided to not vote for YH. | ||
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On August 24 2012 08:56 Z-BosoN wrote: If for some reason I die, which I think is unlikely, I actually think DP is the third mafia. Please read my exchanges with him carefully. GL TOWN! Care to elaborate on this. or, you know, actually post a case along with your accusation? I find it extremely weird as to why there was no night kill. we know we have a town roleblocker so I am assuming it was a role block. If that is the case. Whoever you roleblocked is confirmed scum. @GK can I ask the reason behind asking for Z- Boson to be roleblocked? and also why you are so sure that Golbat is scum? | ||
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And we are no longer at MYLO. I was so certain we were going to lose and now I don't see how we can  | ||
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I will get to your case on me shortly but right now ##Vote: Z -Boson | ||
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In response to the case against me. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: I've been doing my homework and look at what I've come up on DarthPunk. He and goodkarma have been trading hugs ever since the beggining of the game Not entirely true, but I have had a strong town read on Goodkarma from pretty early on. This is largely due to the fact that goodkarma's position though made independently, strongly mirrored my own. I fail to see how this is scummy and I certainly have not just sheeped GK this game. I made my own reads and cases and they happened to match up. I have also not completely mirrored Goodkarmas position or taken everything he said at face value. However, I do believe him to be town. And two townies working together at MYLO was the best course of action. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: DarthPunk ignores what's convenient for him Suddenly me and Harry have become much more suspicious on his eyes because we became suspicious of goodkarma? Did he even bother responding to mine or YourHarry's posts? Also, note how he quotes my post and doesn't address it. It feels a lot more like an instant reaction , as if he read my post, didn't like it, immediately quoted it and made weak arguments, basically stating that I've . Of course, he does this without being afraid because he doesn't feel like he is a target. Your post contained the over reaction to me saying you were neutral at that point in time, I had not yet called you a scum but your reaction to not viewing you as town was what caused me to initially become suspicious of you. I do not ignore things that are inconvenient. It seems to me your are attempting to attack my credibility just as you and your harry tried with GK. What is the town motivation for attacking BOTH of the most established townies? On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: What's even more hilarious about this is his next argument: I haven't been attacking SolarSail. Seriously guys, go to his filter and look at how many times he's addressed SolarSail since August 15th. Ok, you probably found, once in august 17th, once in 18th, once in 19th, and, from 22nd forward, a TON. And, in these days (17th,18th,19th) he didn't attack SolarSail ONCE. So how is it that he can go ahead and say that I've been ignoring Solar ever since day 1, since he has been also doing the same thing? This may cause me to be a hypocrite but that does not make me scum. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: He can't. He's not worried about that. He thinks his word is now law and in his mind he doesn't need to bother with such details, and can go spreading them like wildfire. And WHEN was I a bit too defensive when you accused SolarSail of being town? I'm not even going to search for this, so please, enlighten me. Also, make sure and see if I did so without reason or without an explanation. I don;t know what you are talking about here. Could you please quote the post you are referencing and I will get back to you. As to I think my word is law? You sound like a scum panicked by the fact that two townies Myself and goodkarma are working together and you are now trying to discredit us as much as possible. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: He's dodgy with his responses and says: "this seems very suspicious" multiple times, without explaining, always making SURE that he is sheeping goodkarma. This is blatantly false. I have not just sheeped Goodkarma. I have made my own reads but I have also worked with GK for the good of the town. This is hardly anti town behaviour. I apologise if I have just assumed that it was obvious why certain things was suspicious However I have alwaysed clarified when questioned. It was pretty obvious to be honest. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: MAJOR scumslip by DarthPunk [spoiler] Guys, read their last conversation, before they both went to sleep. Doesn't it bring up a lot of red flags? WHY IN THE WORLD would scum feel forced to bus one of their own? If scum can get a misslynch, they win, that easily. If he feels that way, why didn't he bother explaining it?. Because he finds no reason to. He feels comfortable that he and goodkarma are the "untouchables" and can go around making people believe what he wants. And this, as mafia, is exactly what he is thinking right now. He feels they can't get a misslynch train going on Solar with someone obviously scummy such as YourHarry, so they just go with bussing their scum friend, YourHarry. Most likely, they will focus on Solar next, granted his easyness to target. You are coming apart at the seams. Ignoring the first WIFOM argument you make. You are saying here that I was trying to bus your harry in order to facilitate a mislynch on Solar? except at the conclusion of this post you say you roleblocked Solar and prevented the NK. So this Your entire argument relies on Town Solar whom in this very post oyu say is scum. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Please elaborate and quote the post in which this occured.1) He made up the argument that I was quick to defend SolarSail, which is UNTRUE. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: 2) He invented that I didn't give reason as to why I chose SolarSail over him. Once again, Please elaborate and quote the post in which this occured. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: 3) He stated that it was me and YourHarry who did the last minute push, when YH had nothing on it. Your Harry voted solar at the last minute. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: 4) He AGREED WITH ALL THE BLUES CLAIMING. When he saw that this was a bad idea, he immediately retracted. Saying he was "emotionally compromised", when it was JHuyt who had just been killed, which is an actual help for us. What kind of crap is this, and why does it go unnoted? This is probably the strongest point against me, all I can say is that I thought we needed all the blues to claim in order to have the best chance of avoiding a mislynch. On reflection I decided it would be best for the blues to claim at their discretion as they had more info then I did on their circumstances. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: I noted this ever since you began to idolize him, since day 1 or 2. I also noted that he was roleblocked twice, and that must mean that your are a [blue]JailKeeper[blue]. I've suspected this for a long time, given your affection of him, and thus, I did not KILL YOU. Why would I not do that? So I could use that right now as an argument? How is this relevant at all to the case against me? I find it difficult to believe that YH did not RB me on consecutive nights due to me calling him out day one. Regardless this is not relevant. | ||
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On August 24 2012 10:34 Z-BosoN wrote: As expected, you would be the first to answer this. Let's learn to count first. YourHarry, Obvious, and You. That requires one jailkeeper and two roleblockers. Unless you wish to claim roleblocker as well, lol. goodkarma jailed you. I roleblocked YourHarry. YourHarry roleblocked Obvious. Three. Massive slip. If you RB'd harry his RB would not have gone through. Nice try SCUM | ||
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On August 24 2012 11:01 DarthPunk wrote: Massive slip. If you RB'd harry his RB would not have gone through. Nice try SCUM Never mind, I just read about roleblockers in the OP and all recipients of a roleblock will be notified. I retract this. | ||
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On August 24 2012 11:12 Stutters695 wrote: If anyone else was roleblocked now is the time to claim. And if there is a counter claim I would like to hear it. | ||
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A roleblock from night 1 I was roleblocked, No other claims, Z-B didn't roleblock. We are minus 1 RB claim. we are missing nothing from night 2 I was roleblocked, Obvious was roleblocked (Why does Z- B state this was a roleblock from Your Harry? when the more likely scenario is that I was Roleblocked by Harry.) And Z- B roleblocked YH. 2 roleblock claims from night 3. Solar has not claimed RB and we are still missing the other roleblock. | ||
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On August 24 2012 12:13 Solarsail wrote: I was not informed of any roleblock last night. Thus Z-Boson is lying and I am forced to ##Vote Z-BosoN Excellent Now If Z- boson flips roleblocker we auto lynch Solarsail. | ||
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