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On August 19 2012 13:11 YourHarry wrote:
Strong defense of Thrawn. Because I thought Archrun was for sure scum. This made me think Thrawn was for sure town, because ARchrun wanted to lynch Thrawn and Shady.
This is a flat out lie. You stated BEFORE THAT POST that you had a strong town read on Thrawn and that post CONFIRMED IT Had already been soft-defending him and claiming a town read. You lie.
On August 19 2012 13:11 YourHarry wrote:
Night post from Thrawn made me think he was blue role. So I quickly believed Thrawn's vig claim.
Another terrible read that conveniently fits into your agenda.
On August 19 2012 13:11 YourHarry wrote:
Upon re-evaluation and taking into account that Archrun flipped town, I had to get rid of my initial town read on Thrawn.
You missed the part where you first defend him several times and only change your mind because it was impossible to defend him.
On August 19 2012 13:11 YourHarry wrote:
And when Thrawn denied his breadcrumb post, made me think why did vig not leave a breadcrumb post. It followed that Thrawn had to wait until the SK kill was apparent, before he could ever claim. Also the fact that I think in the same "breadcrumb" post, Thrawn discouraged the detective to check him out. So now pretty strong scum read on Thrawn.
Using a poor role claim as a weak excuse to dramatically shift (bus) your vote and position. I have tried that before didn;t work. Won't work now.
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On August 19 2012 13:13 YourHarry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 13:10 goodkarma wrote:
@YourHarry:
Now that you're back, would you mind taking a few moments to share your read on Ochrow? You've been very vocal about others, but I've heard hardly anything about him from you. OK. He hasn't posted much, and can I talk about my theories regarding him. I have had so much suspicion on me for being wrong about my assumptions, but I have an alignment-related theories. I guess it should be OK because I could be wrong and scums may not believe me anyway or if they believe me they may be wrong.
OMFG you are doing it AGAIN?!?!?
On August 19 2012 13:18 YourHarry wrote:
Actually, never mind. It will just sound really stupid again and people will suspect me. And if I am right, it's not a good thing for town.
I have a town read on him. I don't know if Ochrow was scum with Thrawn, he would NOT have coordinated such similar ideas with Thrawn. Maybe WIFOM, but I think it is just as likely that their similar postings were coincidence.
Seriously YH? what is wrong with you. Once again hinting at outside information or making a pants on head retarded read. and not telling us. What town motive could there be in not sharing this info? What possible read could you get from ochrows non-existent filter? I am assuming you are hinting a blue read.
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On August 19 2012 14:04 YourHarry wrote:
Hey Darth, I will respond to your posts by sections because you came up with so many reasons why I am scum.
First, me thinking that GK and Solar are masons. You are right, that it would be more difficult for town to make that read because town may have thought that GK and Solar are scums together. But I did, also. I explain it in my earlier explanation. And while making that assumption that GK and Solar are probably not scums together could be WIFOM, wouldn't you say it is understandable for a townie to think "Hmm, I doubt scum GK would defend scum Solar so openly because it would be too obvious that the other is scum, if one of them flips red."
And if I was scum, why would I have withdrawn my suspicion on Solar - unless Solar is my scum partner. If scum Harry thought that he identified two mason brothers, would he have not kept it a secret and maybe target one of them at night... instead of withdrawing suspicion on Solar - unless Solar is my scum buddy.
And if scum Harry was doing this simply to earn some town points, would he not more readily revealed his read that GK and Solar are masons - instead of waiting, despite much suspicion, until it became apparent that they were not masons?
Too much WIFOM. I think you already know this. But it makes the majority of this post meaningless.
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On August 19 2012 14:07 YourHarry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On August 19 2012 13:13 YourHarry wrote:On August 19 2012 13:10 goodkarma wrote:
@YourHarry:
Now that you're back, would you mind taking a few moments to share your read on Ochrow? You've been very vocal about others, but I've heard hardly anything about him from you. OK. He hasn't posted much, and can I talk about my theories regarding him. I have had so much suspicion on me for being wrong about my assumptions, but I have an alignment-related theories. I guess it should be OK because I could be wrong and scums may not believe me anyway or if they believe me they may be wrong. OMFG you are doing it AGAIN?!?!?On August 19 2012 13:18 YourHarry wrote:
Actually, never mind. It will just sound really stupid again and people will suspect me. And if I am right, it's not a good thing for town.
I have a town read on him. I don't know if Ochrow was scum with Thrawn, he would NOT have coordinated such similar ideas with Thrawn. Maybe WIFOM, but I think it is just as likely that their similar postings were coincidence. Seriously YH? what is wrong with you. Once again hinting at outside information or making a pants on head retarded read. and not telling us. What town motive could there be in not sharing this info? What possible read could you get from ochrows non-existent filter? I am assuming you are hinting a blue read.  I think about a lot about these things, OK. Maybe it's my imagination. It's just that none of us are currently a blue role, I went through different blue roles on page 1 to see which one fits who. I think it's stupid. Please, just ignore it.
Do you honestly expect us to ignore something like that?
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On August 19 2012 15:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
please, not like this
He may just be replaced, although that expression and that you were the one who noticed makes me think he went missing from your QT....
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On August 19 2012 14:30 YourHarry wrote:
You dismiss almost everything I say as WIFOM, but your case also includes the similar WIFOM.
You accuse me for defending Thrawn, because scum Harry would defend Thrawn.
But even if I were to bus Thrawn in the beginning of Day 2, you could have made the case that scum Harry is simply defending his scum partner.
Similarly, if it is possible for scum Harry to continue to defend Thrawn, despite others being suspicious, because busing would have made Harry suspicious - "he is simply trying to bus afterall"
No. You see, I have made a strong and lengthy case on you that has been growing since day 1. My case on you does not involve WIFOM but your defense (including this post) does. The fact that you are restorting to admitting you look bad and then saying 'why if I were scum would I look bad' is so suspicious it makes my eyes bleed.
If not for that vigi hit you wouldn't look too bad. You would be sitting pretty, pushing a second mislynch painting Thrawn and Yourself as near confirmed town.
On August 19 2012 14:30 YourHarry wrote:
EDBWOP: But even if I were to bus Thrawn in the beginning of Day 2, you could have made the case that scum Harry is simply busing his scum partner.
so you are admitting you bussed thrawn?
Now I guess I should address your harry's case against me.
On August 19 2012 14:39 YourHarry wrote:
OK. I need to re-evaluate. Possibility of Darth, Thrawn, Golbat scum team is what I am currently thinking. Darth says he is so sure that Thrawn and I are scums together, as he outlined in the case, but he suddenly wants to vote me rather than Thrawn.
Thrawn has an unchallanged vigi claim to back him. you have squat. I have already stated that this introduces about 10% doubt in my mind and combined with actually attempting to contribute is enough for me to hold off on him for now.
On August 19 2012 14:39 YourHarry wrote:
I know Thrawn and Darth scum team would be surprising, because of how hard Darth has been accusing Thrawn. But this can be explained because Thrawn flipping scum may almost confirm Darth as town. This may have been their initial plan, and Thrawn's distancing of Golbat can be classified as similar strategy. Sacrifice one scum to mislead town to believe Golbat and Darth are townies.
So my plan was to bus Thrawn and then to back away from him? This shit is weak dude. Sort of defeats the purpose of a bus.
On August 19 2012 14:39 YourHarry wrote:
Also, one of my initial town read on Darth based on his claiming roleblock is not justified. Scums can also claim roleblock, because there could be no roleblocker OR the there could be a town roleblocker.
I got role blocked. I claimed. reading anything more into that than it is is fallacious.
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On August 19 2012 21:35 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 18:25 DarthPunk wrote:On August 19 2012 15:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
please, not like this He may just be replaced, although that expression and that you were the one who noticed makes me think he went missing from your QT.... Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 15:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
we need to hear more from solar, ochrow, jhuyt, and gobalt. gobalt made a couple recent posts, solar has made one recent post (if you can call it that) but jhuyt and ochrow have been especially absent. ochrow claimed he was at a lan and fine i'll accept that but he's really going to need to make up for it during this last half of D2
Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 15:26 thrawn2112 wrote:I was looking through ochrow's prifile to see if I could verify his claim of going to a sc2 lan and I found this:"Ochrow was just temp banned for 2 days by Plexa. That account was created on 2011-11-23 04:05:54 and had 37 posts. Reason: Actually make that a ban since I warned you earlier in the thread." sourceWhat happens now? I was investigating his claim that he was unable to post because he went to a lan. And that expression would come from both town thrawn and scum thrawn, you're just reading it as coming from a scum thrawn because I think you're already of the mindset to not believe anything I have to say.
I am not saying anything about the expression. I was commenting based on the fact that if my scum partner went AWOL last game I would likely be the one to notice first. Not really anything.
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On August 19 2012 21:57 thrawn2112 wrote:##Vote OchrowIf he is modkilled, my vote will probably go to yourharry I wanna restate this: Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 15:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
we need to hear more from solar, ochrow, jhuyt, and gobalt. gobalt made a couple recent posts, solar has made one recent post (if you can call it that) but jhuyt and ochrow have been especially absent. ochrow claimed he was at a lan and fine i'll accept that but he's really going to need to make up for it during this last half of D2
The only reason why I am not confident in my vote is because we have heard so very little from these players. I t's pretty worrying to me that jhuyt, solar, and gobalt have been lurking for pretty much all of day 2. (ochrow as well but he was banned)
Yeha I agree 100 percent with this sentiment.
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On August 20 2012 07:21 Obvious.660 wrote:Holy shit, I've been in the game for 7 hours and have 3 posts and am already getting called out for lurking. You guys are doing an incredible job at that policy shit. I'm just gonna get real with you for a minute, sons. The rest of the you seem to think that killing off the closest thing you have to a confirmed town member (Thrawn) is a good idea and are still holding what I can tell you was simply piss-poor town play from Ochrow against me, the vanilla manilla town member with no super powers. One town lynch today, one town lynch tomorrow, and scum are laughing all the way to the bank. + Show Spoiler [in which gk holds a grudge] +On August 20 2012 07:03 goodkarma wrote:@SolarSail: Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 06:44 Solarsail wrote:
My current vote, thrawn. He did a very poor job of defending himself initially with the WIFOM and the claim (which if real is both highly convenient and misplaced), but then he's improved by responding to more accusations. I know 'lack of reading' is a general accusation against him but D1 I thought he was responding quite well, in full and with evidence, to all questions asked. So I would say it's just a D2 behaviour to be missing things a little.
I agree with much of gk's posting minus the initial shared QT accusation because that is unlikely to have produced the coincidental posts with the same agenda. The lying to us, lurking, nonaggression and general avoidance of Ochrow/Obvious stands out a lot more (oh and the OMGUS vote) and YH has demonstrated some serious read errors and flip flops if he is indeed town. So my case against Thrawn is mostly by association with YH and Ochrow than directly. I will keep my vote on him because it is a combined one from gk's case and thrawn's individual behaviour. However /unlike/ GK I will not switch around as people's defences go up and down with each post. I will be around at the deadline but I don't plan to switch.
The lurkers simply have not posted enough to make any case as strong as vs Thrawn or vs Obvious so I can't justify voting for them instead of those two. This is possibly by design; if so they are lucky that D1 was intense and D2 was focused on a single case to avoid attention.
So, in other words, you're saying that Thrawn looks scummy by association with Obvious and YourHarry? I've already mentioned this before, but you should vote your strongest scum read. Voting because of association, when none of the suspects have actually flipped, can be dangerous. I've already described how this could cause bias, and it is one of the reasons for switching my vote. Ochrow just outright is a stronger scum read than Thrawn for me right now. I don't follow your logic when you say you won't switch your vote, when it seems you already have a stronger scum read on Ochrow/Obvious than on Thrawn. If your read is solely based off "association," then I would urge you to reconsider your vote. And regarding my vote switch, I'm not following a policy of "present your defense and I won't vote for you." But the fact that Ochrow, and now Obvious, have not presented a defense of any kind to the case points against him gives me a stronger scum read on him. His choice to afk from thread until after the vote tells me he's trying to buy enough time to survive today's lynch and make it to the next day, which is scum-motivated behavior. GK, your points against Obvious are exactly what? The only valid thing you said against me was that I disappeared from the thread for a while. You're so engrossed in your delusion that Ochrow was scum that you're transferring it to me and on the basis of what, exactly? I'd love to try to respond to those allegations but I'm not Ochrow so you present to me an impossible challenge bordering on telepathy. How can I know what Ochrow's long game was when I'm not allowed to contact him? There's no QT to refer to, I'm all by my lonesome here and I can sort of see why maybe his ban could have been on purpose since this game is full of delusional people. How about you all take a step back and reboot, have a reality check and maybe figure out why it is that the town is hell-bent on destroying itself and who the people behind it are.
HEHE this is the Obvious I remember <3. However like your predecessor you are defending thrawn and have barely mentioned Your Harry. This is incredibly suspicious as, if you had read the thread and peoples cases against them I don;t see how you could state that Thrawn is the closest thing to confirmed town. Or not mention YH at all.
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OK so i am pretty sure (assuming 3 mafia) that barring a successful medic save, mislynch tonight and we are in MYLO. 7-3 minus 2 town 5-3 = Mylo.
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Seems like Thrawn and Your Harry are trying to get a counter wagon going on someone. Harry's vote change is not consistent with his past view where he was 100% sure thrawn was scum. He even called me out for changing my vote from thrawn to him.
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could we have a vote count please
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OK seems like thrawn is set to be lynched. I would have prefered a YH lynch due to the claim. but I think thrawn is scum regardless.
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On August 20 2012 08:58 YourHarry wrote:
But at this point, I can't risk getting lynched since i know i am town 100%
Survival instincts are a mafia trait not a townie trait.
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GG thrawn. Good luck in XXV!
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Yeha I thought your vig claim was bad and your posting was scummy. I was 90% sure you were scum. That 10% doubt however, is why I would have preferred the YH lynch.
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OK we are in a terrible situation. I blame myself for being active and building the majority of the case on Thrawn along with Goodkarma. whilst allowing others to contribute nothing at all. I had a very strong scum read on Your harry. But a lot of it was based on being scum with Thrawn and Obvious. I think that his case is not the sure thing it once was. I need to reassess so I am just going to lay my thoughts on the table.
I have a town read on Z-boson and Goodkarma. They may be scum and I am less sure on Z-Boson. GK especially seems to have expressed very similar reads to my own, though for slightly different reasons.
I am going to state that I am inclined to believe Obvious and Your Harry because the case on them was mainly associative and alot of the case required Thrawn to be scum. They have also shown an effort in posting and defending themselves and have contributed to the thread. Although their arguments are bad and look scummy/WIFOM based (Harry) this does not mean they are scum. WIth thrawn gone the scum motivation behind their actions becomes unclear, so I am leaning towards them probably being town. It is obvious now that scum are just sitting back letting the active townies argue and kill each other.
Stutters whilst lurking was also in agreement to hold off on the thrawn lynch which was the position of myself and GK when it was not the prevailing sentiment and when it would have been far easier to sit on the bandwagon like others did.
to summarise, currently I view Goodkarma, Z-boson, Stutters, Your Harry and Obvious.660 as probable town from most to least likely
SO I think we need to look closely at the following.
Golbat
Jyhut
Solar Sail
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SO I think we need to look closely at the following.
Golbat
Jhuyt
Solar Sail
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On August 20 2012 19:12 goodkarma wrote:
A much-belated EBWOP:
I'm mostly in agreement with DarthPunk's suspect list, with one notable exception (Obvious/Ochrow).
Obvious is actually contributing something though. and is not sheeping cases/lurking. @ everyone. we cannot afford to waste this night cycle. we potentially have 1 more day to nail these scums. I was never much a fan of lurker lynch policy but it is hurting us bad now.
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