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On August 17 2012 08:12 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:I am really uncomfortable with how fast a counter wagon on the most active player in the game sprung up. I urge everyone to read MY CASE on thrawn. My initial FOS on yourharry was bad play. I didn't have sufficient evidence to put a FOS on YH. My suspicion was only based off of how many times yh had flip-flopped so I was wary of him. The FOS was unwarranted. I called FOS without putting enough thought into the decision. I do think that I gave a good explanation of why I later believed he was town: Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote:At this point I think YH's alliance hinges on whether or not you believe his story about suspecting solar and gk of being masons. At one point in the game I was willing to indulge the thought that YH and solar were masons based off a weak read I was making, (the extra information YH was hinting at) so it is easy for me to believe that YH did the same. YH, for now I believe your story and do not think either you or solar are scum. I clarified my argument after being pressed about it: Show nested quote +The 2nd paragraph contained the majority of my thought process concerning YH. Some people thought YH was scum because he was posting as if he had additional information, but I saw a different perspective. YH said he acted the way he did because he made a self-admittedly weak read into gk's post. I then said that I was previously nursing a weak read that he and solar were either masons or scum. I had at that point abandoned my weak read, which caused me to be trusting of YH's claim that he also made a weak read about potential mason status of solar. I had made the same mistake as YH claimed to make, which is why I was inclined to believe YH.
However, me making a weak read does not confirm that YH was telling the truth in admitting to making a weak read. I was willing to accept that YH was town, but since mkfuba had recently expression sucpicion of YH I wanted to know if my argument was sufficient to convince mkfuba, and if it wasn't then I would obviously want to know the reason why.
This is not a good argument. I am inclined to believe Your Harry does not give a town read. at best it is null. and is incredibly weak in the context of you pushing your 'town read' so heavily. There is actually no argument present at all besides some poor justifications for your backflip.
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Kier, could I get a vote count now that everyone has cast a vote?
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On August 17 2012 08:40 marvellosity wrote:
Vote count, cowboys:
ShadySands (4): thrawn2112, SolarSail, mkfuba07, Jhuyt
thrawn2112 (4): ShadySands, Archrun, DarthPunk, Golbat
Archrun (3): Stutters695. Ochrow, YourHarry
Jhuyt (2): goodkarma, Z-Boson
Shady Sands currently set to be lynched. 20 minutes until the deadline!
Er. What? It is a tie. What happens then?
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On August 17 2012 08:43 Golbat wrote:
In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses).
OK thanks.
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[QUOTE]On August 17 2012 08:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 17 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:There is actually no argument present at all besides some poor justifications for your backflip.[/QUOTE]
You say my justifications were poor, and I say they weren't.....
That's fine. But is not a particularly compelling reason to change my mind when they so obviously are poor. Let me be clear.
The justifications you gave would be acceptable to give Your Harry the benefit of the doubt. But to make a town read and then champion that read. Not a chance.
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EBWOP:
On August 17 2012 08:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 08:44 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 17 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:There is actually no argument present at all besides some poor justifications for your backflip. You say my justifications were poor, and I say they weren't..... That's fine. But is not a particularly compelling reason to change my mind when they so obviously are poor. Let me be clear. The justifications you gave would be acceptable to give Your Harry the benefit of the doubt. But to make a town read and then champion that read. Not a chance.
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On August 17 2012 08:52 YourHarry wrote:
Darth, there is such thing as a town read. You may disagree on what reads we have etc, but whatever. We can talk about that later. For now I would like to get your attention to Archrun.
Did I say there was not such a thing as a town read? No. I said that the justification for HIS town read was marginal and I could definitely see a scum motivation behind his actions.
Just as I can see a scum motivation for you two to constantly soft-defend each other, have strong town reads on each other with little or no explanation. Using third party posts to justify these town reads. Then defending the town reads you each have on one another.
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On August 17 2012 08:57 YourHarry wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Shady
Flipping off shady when he has a majority. Flipping back on when the votes are tied.
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Think that's the deadline. GG shady I was disappointed that you were not here to defend yourself.
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On August 17 2012 09:09 YourHarry wrote:OK. It's OK. This should provide further evidence that Archrun is scum. The history repeats itself, and it almost repeated itself today... if we could have lynched Archrun. This exact same style of posting and motivation happened in my previous game, where the scum was trying to benefit from a mislynch in me. I referenced the filter consisting of this scum player from the earlier game earlier. But here it is again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398&user=263567¤tpage=2In that game, we were able to switch our lynch last minute from me to this scum player. In this game we came short, but at least it strengthens my read. And this also means that Thrawn is town. Because Archrun was indeed counting on Thrawn's mislynch AND THEN Shady's mislynch. I believe both of these players to be town.
What the Fuck? This does not confirm Archun as scum. You are doing the exact thing that you Initially found Archun suspicious of.
And it certainly does not confirm Thrawn as town.
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Hey been at uni, Just got home. But I am about to go out for drinks (Friday night!) when I get back I'll add something to Your Harry's monologue.
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So it turns out I stayed out til 2am lol. I will try and post something just before the day post.
Night guys.
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In case I die my top scum reads are
Thrawn
Shady was an obvious counter wagon that sprang up very quickly and with the kind of momentum that comes from scum coordinating to push a mislynch on someone.
He was also the top scumread of now townie shady sands and was very active in pushing the shady mislynch.
On August 18 2012 06:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
Shady was mislynched. This is our first real clue as to the scum team's possible actions. That is the starting point of my current scumhunting effort and Archrun is my first suspect, both because I was already suspicious of him and because he and I seem to be in the spotlight.
He is now trying to paint Archrum who didn't vote for the shady mislynch as a more likely suspect than those who were influential in orchestrating the counter wagon on shady. Namely himself and Your Harry.
My second Scum read is Your Harry
The half hearted and altogether too late masquerade to alter his vote to Archun seems like an rather obvious attempt to distance himself from the shady mislynch and to set up a mislynch the following day. He is guilty of the exact thing that he accuses Archun of and yet the way he is going about it is far more suspicious.
He also maintained a vote buffer on shady sands throughout the voting cycle and based it on some interplay with Thrawn. Although he says only one townie had to switch to Thrawn two actually did
The thing that makes me very suspicious of these two is that they are now trying to paint themselves, two of the people who lead the obvious counter wagon on shady as being confirmed town after shady's flip and are now obviously trying to set up another lynch on someone whom suspected thrawn on a questionable interpretation of a single post for a reason that they are both now far more guilty of.
I will post far more detailed discussion on both these players if I live. However If I die. Town, please seriously consider lynching Your Harry and Thrawn ASAP
@Your Harry and Thrawn:
Yes I understand what you are saying about Archun. However I don't buy your case or your interpretation of the post it is based on.
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On August 18 2012 08:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
So you're saying I should be investigating myself and yourharry instead of archrun?
No. I am not saying you should investigate yourself. Is that what you genuinely got out of my post?
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On August 18 2012 06:13 Ochrow wrote:
Thrawn's sheeping makes me suspicious of him, though I still have more of a townie read on him.
Err. What?
##FoS Ochrow
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On August 18 2012 08:34 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 08:26 DarthPunk wrote:On August 18 2012 08:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
So you're saying I should be investigating myself and yourharry instead of archrun? No. I am not saying you should investigate yourself. Is that what you genuinely got out of my post? No I do not think that you think that town thrawn should investigate to determine if thrawn is town or scum lol. But you seem to think that I and harry are most deserving of suspicion, and my post was an attempt to show why I, as town thrawn, am investigating archrun. I explained my read on yourharry, and the 'investigate myself' comment was a (probably lame) attempt at humor.
Yep, which is why the post was not really directed at you. Because I think you may be scum.
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On August 18 2012 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 08:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
No I do not think that you think that town thrawn should investigate to determine if thrawn is town or scum lol. But you seem to think that I and harry are most deserving of suspicion, and my post was an attempt to show why I, as town thrawn, am investigating archrun. Yep, which is why the post was not really directed at you. Because I think you may be scum.
Why are you constantly addressing yourself as town thrawn? You seem pretty desperate to establish your townieness. Or perhaps as Scum Thrawn you need to constantly think about what your towny alter ego would be doing and that is coming out in your posting. Sounds somewhat similar to zork from XXII.
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So archrun was Town?
##Vote: Thrawn
##FoS Your Harry
##FoS: Orchrun
I 100% agree with Goodkarmas post and it fits my reads completely.
I was also roleblocked. I can't imagine a town role blocking me. So scum saw fit to do it. As I have been pressuring YH and thrawn it all adds up.
GG Scum.
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On August 18 2012 09:27 Golbat wrote:
I still maintain my case on thrawn. He and shady are my two biggest scum reads at the moment. I'll have to re read GK's case on oochrow, and then OO's filter and then see how I feel about that. But I feel pretty safe right now in voting for Thrawn.
##Vote Thrawn
also, ##FoS YourHarry
His play has been the flippiest and the floppiest. That usually means intentionally sowing confusion in the thread, as people have to follow his logic back and forth to make any sense of what he says.
Shady is dead dude. He flipped town.
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