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By no means does that condemn them both, but since Keirathi is so intent on not having me killed, he can't be scum (to me). That makes his DT check more credible (to me). Therefore, Myles, Keirathi and myself are town. (Myles might be Godfather, I'm pretty much counting on the fact that he is not here.)
That means that all three scum are between bob, perfection, umlaut and promethelax. Only one of those 4 can be town.
Bob just had a chance to basically say that he agrees with Prom/Umlaut and come very close to winning for scum. The fact that he didn't means that hes either not scum or they're concerned that they won't be able to get perfection to vote for me.
I'd like to believe bob is town as he just hasn't felt like scum to me.
Myles' vote is still in the air, but if he reads this post and agrees that I may not be town, we may have this in the bag without needing the information roles to claim anyways.
And pre-post edit to Bob's post on not voting yet: Well I can't really blame you for not voting yet bob, but at the very least you're going for a majority lynch. Can't fault you too much for that, but if you can go through the last couple pages of the thread and see if you can make a read on whether you think I'm scum or not.
If we don't get a majority lynch we are almost certainly going to lose, but you can still post a read to help sway the vote to who you think is the scummier player.
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What you could say can always have an impact on the game, its practically the entire purpose of the game. If you don't explain why you are doing something and rely strictly on majority voting, what happens if the voting is tied 3-3 between me and Umlaut and you're the tie-breaker?
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Bob, you believe the arguments against me are more believable. However, you also believe that Prom is scummier than me.
In addition, Promethelax is one of the players who has built up a case against me. In fact, I believe it is his case that is responsible for me being accused of being scum.
Given that you think Promethelax is scum, his case should not have valuable merit to you, or it should look very suspicious to you. If you think he is scum, there is a good chance that I am not scum and therefore you would do well to vote against the player that Promethelax voted for.
The alternative is that we are both scum and Promethelax is sacrificing me for the good of the scum team.
Figuring out this situation is the reason we want you to go through the thread and post your reads. It would make it clearer what your opinion is, and make it easier for us to decide who to vote for based on who out of the players most heavily involved are scummiest.
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I'll give that a whirl Keirathi. The alternative is I die and we lose.
##Unvote
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On July 10 2012 05:39 BobTheLob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 05:37 Keirathi wrote:
Hopeless: how would you feel about voting Prom at this point instead of AU, if Bob is so against voting AU?
I gave them basically an equal read earlier today. My main reason not voting Prom instead of AU was that I didn't feel confident enough in my debate skill to convince people who had given Prom support and basically a free ride throughout the whole game to vote for him at this point. If he survived another night, maybe, but with the way today has gone, its virtually guaranteed that he will survive another night regardless of if he's scum or not.
I call bullshit on this, If you thought it was him then you should have at least said so, you are getting more and more scummy as the day goes on, what the fuck is up with that.
Bob, Keirathi has said Prom is his top read all along. And holy shit you got judgmental all of a sudden. Where the hell was this when we needed it.
His reasoning is laid out in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 10 2012 01:52 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 23:58 Promethelax wrote:
Kier: if you are around could you explain to me why AU is no more scum than me? I see the reasons you posted but they don't seem sufficient to make a 45% change in his scumminess. Maybe a 25% bu nothing so drastic as to make me totally positive that I will rest the fate of town on him being scum. How did I drop two (or more) spaces in your scum hierarchy? You aren't even comfortable pushing your scummiest read (me) from yesterday when we're in a lylo situation.
What I'm saying is: where does this inconsistency come from?
I don't necessarily think he is scummier than you. I also don't think I'm a good enough debater/convincing enough to get people that have shown you support all game to vote for you. The longer you stay alive, the scummier you seem, so while I feel you and AU and approx. the same read right now, I'm a bit more comfortable voting him today than you. If you really want, I can lay out my full case against you, too, though. Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 00:12 Promethelax wrote:
And, in addition to that how did Hopeless become townie in your eyes? You had him as a scum read when you first showed up and are claiming to have investigated him last night without result. Why are you no longer willing to vote for him when he was a top 3 scum read? Of your other top threes you investigated 1 who came back green and you have deiced, it appears, that I am town as well. There is nothing in your filter to suggest why you changed your mind about Hopeless' play from scum to town and that worries me since Hopeless has been a scum read for just about the whole game and he keeps no getting lynched. Since he is probably scum and certainly still my best scum read your soft defense of him isn't working for me.
Explanation please. I dunno, its hard to explain. His recent posting reeks of...desperation? But basically my whole scumread on him was based on his Day 1 actions, and there's virtually nothing since then that really feels scummy. I haven't completely dismissed him, but for now I'm not voting for him. As far as my percentages changing, my reads were from Day1+Night1+Day2+half of Night2. Now I've been playing for another Half of Night2+Day3+Night3+Day4. There's basically double the information now.
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Its either him or Iamperfection. We'll know in 10 minutes or so. MYLES WATCH FOR LAST MINUTE HAMMER FROM PERFECTION. HAVE A SWAP VOTE POST READY AND IF HE HAMMERS ME (AND YOU'RE TOWN) IT MEANS HE'S SCUM)
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GODDAMNIT MYLES WHY WERENT YOU WATCHING
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Then I wouldn't be upset right now
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Did BlindRawr really not have any reads for Keirathi?
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Is there going to be a breakdown of each player's gameplay?
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@Anacletus: Someone will almost certainly make more newbie games. I'm surprised there isnt one already queued up right now.
@ghost: Awesome. Thanks for all your effort, and to Toast and GM.
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Maybe I should look before I post things.
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You did get away with it..
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