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From what I gather the most accepted theory is that kurumi was claimed traitor that mafia found and thus flipped red.
@docH how come you never claimed you pm'ed kurumi and he kept trolling when you were pushing for his lynch? Didn't you think that would make the case stronger? Do you have any reasoning to have kept that info hidden until decon outted it in thread?
I wouldn't mind a abenson lynch instead of wiggles.
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Matt switch you vote please
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On March 21 2012 05:07 jaybrundage wrote: Hey Katina good to see you pop up. The one thing your missing tho is that Doc. Was on all the right lynches and you weren't XD
He also pushed Kurumi. Which makes him less likely to be scum then you. Do you have any other scum candidates Katina besides Matt and Doc.
So DrH has voted for mafia and I haven't therefore I am mafia and he's in the clear? And lots of people pushed Kurumi, and if I remember correctly the Kurumi push was started by other people, DrH just picked up on it and ran with it. Based on numbers alone at least one mafia should have been pushing for Kurumi.
On March 21 2012 05:09 jaybrundage wrote: Oh katina got a question for you. Out of Mr.Wiggles or Abenson who do you want to vote for. Please answer soon.
Instinct says Abenson first, Wiggles later. I just looked through Wiggles filter and in all honesty both should die. Along with DrH.
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On March 21 2012 05:33 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 05:07 jaybrundage wrote: Hey Katina good to see you pop up. The one thing your missing tho is that Doc. Was on all the right lynches and you weren't XD
He also pushed Kurumi. Which makes him less likely to be scum then you. Do you have any other scum candidates Katina besides Matt and Doc. So DrH has voted for mafia and I haven't therefore I am mafia and he's in the clear? And lots of people pushed Kurumi, and if I remember correctly the Kurumi push was started by other people, DrH just picked up on it and ran with it. Based on numbers alone at least one mafia should have been pushing for Kurumi. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 05:09 jaybrundage wrote: Oh katina got a question for you. Out of Mr.Wiggles or Abenson who do you want to vote for. Please answer soon. Instinct says Abenson first, Wiggles later. I just looked through Wiggles filter and in all honesty both should die. Along with DrH.
I don't see any benefits for lynching me. Shouldn't we be looking to lynch the mafia first?
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Abenson you have been realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly useless. You haven't tried to contribute. You haven't established your innocent as a townie. Which is the first thing you should do as town. You have a minuscule amount of posts making it unnecessary difficult to tell your alignment.
If your town this lynch is your own fault. You haven't put any effort in this game.
If your scum however your play makes more sense. You post less so that you don't slip up as mafia. You try not to contribute to much so that you don't lynch your mafia friends. And you're useless so you don't help town at all.
You got a rebuttal to any of this?
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On March 21 2012 05:56 jaybrundage wrote: Abenson you have been realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly useless. You haven't tried to contribute. You haven't established your innocent as a townie. Which is the first thing you should do as town. You have a minuscule amount of posts making it unnecessary difficult to tell your alignment.
If your town this lynch is your own fault. You haven't put any effort in this game.
If your scum however your play makes more sense. You post less so that you don't slip up as mafia. You try not to contribute to much so that you don't lynch your mafia friends. And you're useless so you don't help town at all.
You got a rebuttal to any of this?
I'm just going to roleclaim town now. I don't really have an excuse for my inactiveness other than the fact that I keep forgetting I'm playing in a mafia game.
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lol yet you somehow avoid getting modkilled
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On March 21 2012 05:02 Curu wrote: Because they don't -want- to kill him but they want to be able to claim Town cred when he flips. That's why they soft bus. They had to know with day shooting Townies Caller would bite the bullet sooner or later but they don't want to instigate it happening.
It looks like Wiggles put a lot of effort/thought into it but never ever made a real push for Caller in the thread at any time. Do you understand where I'm going? He says he is suspicious of Caller but never once acts like he actually wanted Caller to be lynched until it was painfully obvious he was scum. Hey, if you look, I'm not one of the idiots running around screaming that I'm confirmed town. I haven't tried to claim any 'cred' for the Caller lynch. Next, Caller was my day 1 vote. He was inconsistent and contradictory, and would have been a much better choice for the lynch, if everyone wasn't so worried about whether Jackal's role was real or not. Day 2, it was revealed he was a day vig, so I decided to hold back. There's no reason for me to push him, especially after Kurumi made it completely obvious he was scum, and I thought that because he was a day vig, there was the chance he was town. Day 3, it was obvious he was scum. So, to say I never acted like I wanted to lynch Caller, is a lie. He was my choice for day 1, and my PMs reflect this.
Also, Curu, I don't know why you're so bent-over about a role-claim. I'm a Townie, but I would claim the same thing to you in private no matter what I am, because you aren't confirmed until you flip. The fact you keep claiming so and pushing for roleclaims just makes you look arrogant or scum to me.
Abenson has just masoned me.
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So why have you not Masoned anyone?
And why Bill Murray? What about Abenson or Katina?
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this reeeeks of desperation
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On March 21 2012 06:28 Curu wrote: So why have you not Masoned anyone?
And why Bill Murray? What about Abenson or Katina? I haven't masoned anyone, because a bunch of people masoned me, so I figured I could save them for later in the game if I wanted to. After everyone claimed their contacts though, everyone talking to me went silent, for whatever reason. I don't see how that would reflect on my alignment at all.
If you're talking about the lynch, I said Bill Murray, because he's the most dangerous of the lurkers, and because Dr. H drew a link between them. If you look at my post, it's not a "Let's kill this person and ignore the others" kind of thing, it's meant to go systematically through the people and actually threaten them with the lynch to see how they react. If we still think they're scum, we follow through. That's basically what's happening to abenson right now. He's actually being threatened with the lynch, and if he can't do anything to stop that, he will be killed. I wanted to start with Bill Murray though, instead of abenson. Notice how I called him out, and then he suddenly jumps into the thread, OMGUS's, and promises future analysis which he has yet to deliver on. That show's he's actively lurking, not just inactive, and he wants to acquiesce the town. Also, now that we've seen mafia can have a role like day-vig, can't BM acting 'like a blue' also be interpreted as being a mafia power role?
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On March 21 2012 06:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 06:28 Curu wrote: So why have you not Masoned anyone?
And why Bill Murray? What about Abenson or Katina? I haven't masoned anyone, because a bunch of people masoned me, so I figured I could save them for later in the game if I wanted to. After everyone claimed their contacts though, everyone talking to me went silent, for whatever reason. I don't see how that would reflect on my alignment at all. If you're talking about the lynch, I said Bill Murray, because he's the most dangerous of the lurkers, and because Dr. H drew a link between them. If you look at my post, it's not a "Let's kill this person and ignore the others" kind of thing, it's meant to go systematically through the people and actually threaten them with the lynch to see how they react. If we still think they're scum, we follow through. That's basically what's happening to abenson right now. He's actually being threatened with the lynch, and if he can't do anything to stop that, he will be killed. I wanted to start with Bill Murray though, instead of abenson. Notice how I called him out, and then he suddenly jumps into the thread, OMGUS's, and promises future analysis which he has yet to deliver on. That show's he's actively lurking, not just inactive, and he wants to acquiesce the town. Also, now that we've seen mafia can have a role like day-vig, can't BM acting 'like a blue' also be interpreted as being a mafia power role? You are still trying to argue over someone who was detective checked town?
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And the Town check on him? Did you just conveniently forget about that?
I have a real hard time believing you didn't think your Masons were worth using especially with sandroba entering the game. Waiting for an opportunity of what? You refused to talk to me and I'm more confirmed Town than Palmar.
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On March 21 2012 06:42 Curu wrote: And the Town check on him? Did you just conveniently forget about that?
I have a real hard time believing you didn't think your Masons were worth using especially with sandroba entering the game. Waiting for an opportunity of what? You refused to talk to me and I'm more confirmed Town than Palmar. Yes, I did forget about that, if it's even real. We don't know if the check is real or not until Matt flips town, and it doesn't mean anything because:
Cover: Cost .5KP makes a player appear as townie 1 night cycle. Or did you just conveniently forget about that? Even if the check was real, and Matt is town and telling the truth, he could still have been covered. We have no confirmation if mafia have recruited the traitor or not, so we can't do the KP math. Also, no one has claimed RB yet, which means scum have been using their 'free' power on Checks, Frames, or Covers. Covers are a lot stronger than Frames for scum who are playing defensively, so that really narrows it down to Checks and Covers.
I didn't say I didn't think my masons were worth using, I said I wanted to save them. Still, there's not as much use to them now, unless I want to do something specific, since most people will claim them in thread. I still don't see how that reflects on my alignment. If you want to explain it to me, go ahead. . Also, not masoning you is not the same as refusing to talk to you. What do you want to talk about so badly that we can't say it here? And, I never considered Palmar confirmed town until he flipped, so throwing that word around means nothing to me.
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Thanks for re-affirming it for me though.
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Curu no one is confirmed town till they die including you. People may have a town read on you but its just that a read
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On March 21 2012 05:15 sandroba wrote: From what I gather the most accepted theory is that kurumi was claimed traitor that mafia found and thus flipped red.
@docH how come you never claimed you pm'ed kurumi and he kept trolling when you were pushing for his lynch? Didn't you think that would make the case stronger? Do you have any reasoning to have kept that info hidden until decon outted it in thread?
I wouldn't mind a abenson lynch instead of wiggles. It wasn't really necessary and I don't think it would have pushed more votes onto him tbh
I'm pretty sure I claimed that I PM'd Kurumi when Palmar asked me stuff about VE
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