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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 29 2014 20:47 GMT
#561
If vasili didn't get hit by bubble, that woulda been a dead WT.
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 29 2014 20:48 GMT
#562
Turtle best adc in the na lcs atm-jatt 2014
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 29 2014 20:49 GMT
#563
How does yasuo vs ori lane playout? is it just a farm lane?
liftlift > tsm
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
June 29 2014 20:49 GMT
#564
On June 30 2014 05:45 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 05:40 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 30 2014 05:38 Slusher wrote:
On June 30 2014 05:37 wei2coolman wrote:
BTW, remember when I said last split Zion was the best top laner in NA? and everyone laughed at me? yeah. just saying.
On June 30 2014 05:35 Slusher wrote:
I have yet to see the stat in League that isn't completely worthless without context.

Is there a single stat for any sport that isn't completely worthless without context?


OPS
ultimate zone rating

most modern baseball stats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-base_plus_slugging#Interpretation_of_OPS


you are right

wikipedia > Billie Beane


You're both right. No stat is going to paint a complete picture of a player. OPS is WAY more accurate than what people used to look at though - avg, runs, rbis are all way more dependent on teammates, match ups, etc. The same way looking at k/d/a in league is pretty pointless because it's so dependent on the other 4 people on your team.

The thing that Billy Beane did really well was combine OPS with stuff like BABIP (did the player make a lot of contact, but hit it at fielders - ie: how unlucky was he?) and use that to find underrated players.

I don't know what the equivalent stats would be in league, they might not have been developed yet. It's also much harder in a game with 5 person teams with parts constantly in motion, opposed to 9 person teams where 1 person hits at a time.

nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 29 2014 20:49 GMT
#565
On June 30 2014 05:49 wei2coolman wrote:
How does yasuo vs ori lane playout? is it just a farm lane?

Pretty much yeah.Ori has slight advantage cause ori vs melee like usual early.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 29 2014 20:50 GMT
#566
On June 30 2014 05:49 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 05:45 Slusher wrote:
On June 30 2014 05:40 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 30 2014 05:38 Slusher wrote:
On June 30 2014 05:37 wei2coolman wrote:
BTW, remember when I said last split Zion was the best top laner in NA? and everyone laughed at me? yeah. just saying.
On June 30 2014 05:35 Slusher wrote:
I have yet to see the stat in League that isn't completely worthless without context.

Is there a single stat for any sport that isn't completely worthless without context?


OPS
ultimate zone rating

most modern baseball stats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-base_plus_slugging#Interpretation_of_OPS


you are right

wikipedia > Billie Beane


You're both right. No stat is going to paint a complete picture of a player. OPS is WAY more accurate than what people used to look at though - avg, runs, rbis are all way more dependent on teammates, match ups, etc. The same way looking at k/d/a in league is pretty pointless because it's so dependent on the other 4 people on your team.

The thing that Billy Beane did really well was combine OPS with stuff like BABIP (did the player make a lot of contact, but hit it at fielders - ie: how unlucky was he?) and use that to find underrated players.

I don't know what the equivalent stats would be in league, they might not have been developed yet. It's also much harder in a game with 5 person teams with parts constantly in motion, opposed to 9 person teams where 1 person hits at a time.


Sabermetrics gets really close to painting picture, but you need like 20 different stat numbers to put everything into context with each number. You can't just be like "yo this singular number paints a complete picture of a player".
liftlift > tsm
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 20:54:32
June 29 2014 20:52 GMT
#567
On June 30 2014 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 05:49 Swords wrote:
On June 30 2014 05:45 Slusher wrote:
On June 30 2014 05:40 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 30 2014 05:38 Slusher wrote:
On June 30 2014 05:37 wei2coolman wrote:
BTW, remember when I said last split Zion was the best top laner in NA? and everyone laughed at me? yeah. just saying.
On June 30 2014 05:35 Slusher wrote:
I have yet to see the stat in League that isn't completely worthless without context.

Is there a single stat for any sport that isn't completely worthless without context?


OPS
ultimate zone rating

most modern baseball stats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-base_plus_slugging#Interpretation_of_OPS


you are right

wikipedia > Billie Beane


You're both right. No stat is going to paint a complete picture of a player. OPS is WAY more accurate than what people used to look at though - avg, runs, rbis are all way more dependent on teammates, match ups, etc. The same way looking at k/d/a in league is pretty pointless because it's so dependent on the other 4 people on your team.

The thing that Billy Beane did really well was combine OPS with stuff like BABIP (did the player make a lot of contact, but hit it at fielders - ie: how unlucky was he?) and use that to find underrated players.

I don't know what the equivalent stats would be in league, they might not have been developed yet. It's also much harder in a game with 5 person teams with parts constantly in motion, opposed to 9 person teams where 1 person hits at a time.


Sabermetrics gets really close to painting picture, but you need like 20 different stat numbers to put everything into context with each number. You can't just be like "yo this singular number paints a complete picture of a player".


That's what I'm saying

Slusher's point though was what he said below - OPS is a much more accurate way of describing a player than any of the old traditional stats, so it's much better than nothing.
Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
June 29 2014 20:52 GMT
#568
lol gleeb
Jaedong :D
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 29 2014 20:52 GMT
#569
lol gleeb.
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 20:53:42
June 29 2014 20:53 GMT
#570
ok let me be more clear, if you make a "what you can garner from this stat" scale, at which I'll put OPS at 8 of 10, KDA is basically a 1
Carrilord has arrived.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 20:53:45
June 29 2014 20:53 GMT
#571
xwx going full balls deep with that flash. that was fucking risky, as fuck. Classic Chinese LoL
On June 30 2014 05:53 Slusher wrote:
ok let me be more clear, if you make a meaningless scale, at which I'll put OPS at 8 of 10, KDA is basically a 1

fair enough.
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 29 2014 20:54 GMT
#572
On June 30 2014 05:53 wei2coolman wrote:
xwx going full balls deep with that flash. that was fucking risky, as fuck. Classic Chinese LoL
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 05:53 Slusher wrote:
ok let me be more clear, if you make a meaningless scale, at which I'll put OPS at 8 of 10, KDA is basically a 1

fair enough.

What was so risky?He had lulu and thresh behind him vs ori with no flash and the only person who can come to help is gragas.Seems pretty standart to me.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 20:56:13
June 29 2014 20:55 GMT
#573
Is this trist + yasuo seriously gunna be a thing? It's a pretty funny combo, but damn.
On June 30 2014 05:54 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 05:53 wei2coolman wrote:
xwx going full balls deep with that flash. that was fucking risky, as fuck. Classic Chinese LoL
On June 30 2014 05:53 Slusher wrote:
ok let me be more clear, if you make a meaningless scale, at which I'll put OPS at 8 of 10, KDA is basically a 1

fair enough.

What was so risky?He had lulu and thresh behind him vs ori with no flash and the only person who can come to help is gragas.Seems pretty standart to me.

if he missed his Q, woulda been a blown flash for nothing.


amazing secure.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 29 2014 20:56 GMT
#574
Yasuo's Q is supposed to only apply on-hit on the first target hit. How does it decide on the first when you're using a EQ PBAoE?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 20:58:33
June 29 2014 20:57 GMT
#575
How can you miss q when you use it after e?It is literally impossible lol.

I think it targets the target you e but could be wrong.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 29 2014 20:58 GMT
#576
On June 30 2014 05:57 nafta wrote:
How can you miss q when you use it after e?It is literally impossible lol.

Didn't think he could chase down into E range, to Q.

Also if Bjergsen wasn't so greedy, and just used the ult the second xwx flashed, could have kept enough range away to prevent him from E'ing on him.
liftlift > tsm
Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
June 29 2014 20:59 GMT
#577
Rofl vasili going full zuna
Jaedong :D
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 29 2014 20:59 GMT
#578
lmq going full retard.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 29 2014 21:00 GMT
#579
Wasn't Orianna knocked-up too? Why didn't XWX tp to her? Oo
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 29 2014 21:00 GMT
#580
Lol vasilii....
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