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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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Mallard86
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On July 04 2013 10:03 swiftazn wrote: Not to mention that if given the opportunity it is absolutely illegal to shoot to maim in the state of florida. Florida CC'er here. If you pull your firearm out that means that you are shooting to kill aka completely stop the threat. Concealed carry laws state that the gun can only come out when you feel that your life is in danger and shooting to incapacitate implies there is not a deadly threat facing you. The reality is that gun laws are clouded in politics. The anti gun lobby pushes lawmakers to extremes. They force lawmakers to write laws such that guns are only an absolute last resort choice but that forces the user to use lethal force. | ||
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Ubiquitousdichotomy
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 04 2013 10:45 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote: Right now in Las Vegas odds are 5:1 on a ruling of a guilty verdict. It changed after the lead investigator expressed that Zimmerman was being honest when giving his statement. People actually bet on this shit? Disgusting. | ||
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11035 Posts
On July 04 2013 08:35 GorbadTheGreat wrote: It's called democracy. Cartels being vested with absolute power has already been tried before. What happens is that the power gets to their head and they run amok. It's a necessary evil, even if the all-female jury (WTF is the reason for that, incidentally?) decides to let politically correct hysterics get in the way of justice. "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried." Eh. That's why the US started as a republic. Most people are stupid or don't know enough to even have an opinion. If you think criminal cases can be ridiculous the whole saga of breast implant lawsuits is atrocious. Actually if we really want to talk about it, the whole system to handle sophisticated subjects is kind of absurd. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On July 04 2013 11:05 Yacobs wrote: What is disgusting about it The idea of betting on the verdict of a man's freedom vs his incarceration is disgusting: A) because it puts a mathematical and seemingly arbitrary total to his chances at freedom which are supposed to be influenced by the human element of the Jury and not Game Theory; B) because it means that the chances of fixing the verdict exist for the profit of racketeers and gamblers by people in high places, which I find the possibility of disgusting; C) because the idea of putting a case that stands at the forefront of American society right now, as the poster-child for media created racial turmoil no less, as something to be made less serious by gambling. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On July 04 2013 11:22 docvoc wrote: The idea of betting on the verdict of a man's freedom vs his incarceration is disgusting: A) because it puts a mathematical and seemingly arbitrary total to his chances at freedom which are supposed to be influenced by the human element of the Jury and not Game Theory; B) because it means that the chances of fixing the verdict exist for the profit of racketeers and gamblers by people in high places, which I find the possibility of disgusting; C) because the idea of putting a case that stands at the forefront of American society right now, as the poster-child for media created racial turmoil no less, as something to be made less serious by gambling. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've heard that Las Vegas bets on pretty much everything you can think of, and many things you can't. The jury is sequestered, and they are the only factor of the outcome, and really nothing is to stop me and my neighbor from betting, so why not have it in Las Vegas ? | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
EDIT: assuming Zimmerman gets acquitted of course | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
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ziggurat
Canada847 Posts
On July 04 2013 10:45 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote: Right now in Las Vegas odds are 5:1 on a ruling of a guilty verdict. It changed after the lead investigator expressed that Zimmerman was being honest when giving his statement. Where can I see the lines on this? | ||
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.SCATesteR
United States148 Posts
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
The media circus around it is another. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On July 04 2013 11:55 .SCATesteR wrote: just from all the testimony appering and whats being said, its starting to look like zimmerman may get off. Especially with the evidence of his gun being against martins hoody when it was fired. its going to be a tough trial for the jurors. How? In a normal case if the defense moved for directed verdict right now they might get it. Its not even close. | ||
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Mallard86
186 Posts
On July 04 2013 12:08 Brett wrote: The fact that the trial is being broadcast, live no less, is a fucking disgrace to the criminal justice system in that jurisdiction. Ridiculous. The media circus around it is another. Why? | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
Zimmerman's DNA found on: Zimmerman's gun Zimmerman's gun holster Stain on Trayvon Martin's Jacket (partial DNA) Stain on Trayvon Martin's Sweatshirt being worn under the jacket To me it seems pretty reasonable to extrapolate from this that there was a fight where Trayvon was beating up Zimmerman and got enough blood on his jacket to seep through to what he was wearing underneath. Here is how the media sees it. Headline "Does DNA evidence contradict Zimmerman?" "Gorgone testified that testing of Martin's hooded jacket that he was wearing as an outer layer the night of shooting did not yield much of Zimmerman's DNA. Only one stain on Martin's hooded jacket yielded a partial DNA profile that matched Zimmerman" "This may challenge the claim Zimmerman and Martin were in fight for their lives, if only a minimal amount of Zimmerman's skin or blood transferred to Martin's outer clothing." (funny because there was also DNA on the sweatshirt Martin was wearing underneath his jacket) This reporting is just continuing to disgust me | ||
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Sabu113
United States11035 Posts
On July 04 2013 12:08 Brett wrote: The fact that the trial is being broadcast, live no less, is a fucking disgrace to the criminal justice system in that jurisdiction. Ridiculous. The media circus around it is another. Honestly thank god it is. I'll admit I wasn't super sympathetic until I read this thread and watched some of the testimony on Youtube. | ||
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Ubiquitousdichotomy
247 Posts
On July 04 2013 12:08 Brett wrote: The fact that the trial is being broadcast, live no less, is a fucking disgrace to the criminal justice system in that jurisdiction. Ridiculous. The media circus around it is another. This trial is being broadcast because its part of the Summer Sweeps. This case was set to take place right after the Jodie Arias murder trial to fill the void in broadcast airtime. Trials like this generate ratings that create jobs which makes money. Everybody wins. | ||
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