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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On June 09 2014 20:47 rabidch wrote: mushi hasnt been playing that well recently, mostly whiffing a lot of easy stuff, but DK makes a lot of small mistakes in general; its not the most glaring weakness of DK I'd say it's more why they aren't perfect rather why they're losing. | ||
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lilopuppy
Philippines542 Posts
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ref4
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ApproximateKnowledge
United States76 Posts
On June 09 2014 22:49 ref4 wrote: Whoever's been doing these shitty drafts should get a kick in the ass.....seriously LaMn is a good drafter, he just need to draft around Mushi a bit more I think. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
Now PA, meepo and tinker picks are revealed. They won't get caught out again. | ||
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ManZ
20 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On June 10 2014 11:08 ManZ wrote: DK needs to improve their draft. Maybe DK wanted to hide their strategies... If they were we probably wouldn't have seen silencer. | ||
riptide
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
With that being said, their teamfight execution -- especially when WAY behind at times in games over the weekend -- is still top notch. At this point it seems like their biggest struggle is with drafts and being able to min/max them to the level they want to. If this is actually their biggest problem... I have no doubt they're a top 2 team in the world and will (or should) be the favorites to win TI4. The future looks good.  | ||
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Adrian_mx
Mexico1880 Posts
On June 10 2014 11:46 riptide wrote: Yeah, I don't think DK are #hidingstrats so much as they're playing around with their drafts a LOT. Let's see how they draft this weekend in ECL. Yeah DK really look like their playing with the draft and Mushi isnt realy fitting his playstyle yet, I cant wait until we see more games. | ||
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ncsix
1370 Posts
Carry Silencer might be a pipe dream too. Sure.. if you feed him kills early, he can do devastating damage and his ulti is pretty good, but most of the time he's just way too fragile and can't stand up to a 3 man surprise gank unlike say.. morphling, AM, he has no escape mechanism and isn't tanky and his damage is limited based on getting those kills or assists, not really ideal carry material if you ask me. Think silencer's strength is really in a tri-lane contesting support just like Undying. Don't mind DK trying out stuff, but I think they shouldn't have drafted so poorly on the last game of the Summit finals. Flying all the way to the States and losing in such a manner would be really demoralizing if I was them. | ||
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Wala.Revolution
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On June 10 2014 17:23 ncsix wrote: After WPC, couple of Chinese teams trying out western team strats, predominantly EE-Sama's Drow Ranger + Visage Combo, Carry Silencer and who knows.. maybe mid PA, but I really don't like the last one. Carry Silencer might be a pipe dream too. Sure.. if you feed him kills early, he can do devastating damage and his ulti is pretty good, but most of the time he's just way too fragile and can't stand up to a 3 man surprise gank unlike say.. morphling, AM, he has no escape mechanism and isn't tanky and his damage is limited based on getting those kills or assists, not really ideal carry material if you ask me. Think silencer's strength is really in a tri-lane contesting support just like Undying. Don't mind DK trying out stuff, but I think they shouldn't have drafted so poorly on the last game of the Summit finals. Flying all the way to the States and losing in such a manner would be really demoralizing if I was them. The biggest weakness of the Silencer draft was Burning constantly getting caught off and not getting off the silence. Many fights were lost with the ult not even being used. I give credit to eg on this front after losing to the draft earlier in the tournament. They made the changes they needed to win. It's a really interesting draft that gives you so much if it works, but it looks pretty ugly when it doesn't. On June 10 2014 22:33 Wala.Revolution wrote: Has DK ever played tinker? Not with their new roster. | ||
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
On June 10 2014 22:33 Wala.Revolution wrote: Has DK ever played tinker? They have the guy that tinker is named after. If tinker legitimately becomes fp/fb I'm sure something can be worked out. | ||
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Adrian_mx
Mexico1880 Posts
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
On June 11 2014 03:25 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote: They have the guy that tinker is named after. If tinker legitimately becomes fp/fb I'm sure something can be worked out. iceiceice plays Tinker on stream pretty often, top 5 heroes prob. Mushi being a SEA solo mid means he is really good with it automatically. I would assume the reason they didn't play it was because they haven't worked it into the draft and Tinker became part of The Summit's "LAN meta". If Tinker continues to stay popular I would be surprised if we don't see DK run it at TI4. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On June 11 2014 03:25 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote: They have the guy that tinker is named after. If tinker legitimately becomes fp/fb I'm sure something can be worked out. Yeah but even so X!! won't be the one on TInker ;o | ||
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ncsix
1370 Posts
The biggest weakness of the Silencer draft was Burning constantly getting caught off and not getting off the silence. Many fights were lost with the ult not even being used. I give credit to eg on this front after losing to the draft earlier in the tournament. They made the changes they needed to win. It's a really interesting draft that gives you so much if it works, but it looks pretty ugly when it doesn't. Thats just it. You don't survive if you get caught off guard, 2 disable / stun + autoattacks will almost always kill silencer. Actually, I think DK has shifted their playstyle to a point where the supports don't baby sit Burning enough. They roam a lot and these days they don't accomplish as much because all the other pro teams are prepared for it. | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On June 11 2014 10:31 ncsix wrote: Thats just it. You don't survive if you get caught off guard, 2 disable / stun + autoattacks will almost always kill silencer. Actually, I think DK has shifted their playstyle to a point where the supports don't baby sit Burning enough. They roam a lot and these days they don't accomplish as much because all the other pro teams are prepared for it. Pretty much everybody dies when they caught off guard and chain stunned. Sure you can replicate away if you're morphling and it is a safer hero, but I think Burning should be able to do the same thing on any carry. He gets farm with any hero no matter how the game is going. That is the legacy I expect at least. | ||
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