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ahswtini
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On May 14 2014 17:16 govie wrote: They got 4 boobs, couple of goofballs, kittens, singsing, bruno and sheever. Implying sheever =/= boobs | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10939 Posts
On May 14 2014 17:06 teapoted wrote: To be honest I think the EUHub as a whole (lounge included) would get more viewers if it was a proper production than if it was this stuff. The thing is they can talk about how they only want that to be the chill stream or whatever. But it's quite clear the majority of the effort was put into that stream and just getting people to hang out on that stream. Which is why they have significantly more people than they actually need and/or people who aren't there to cast. While on the other side of the world BTS put no effort into their couch stream and much more effort into their game stream (although they still have technical issues in their main studio as always, effort is the key word), and thus much more people watch the game streams than their couch stream which is tucked away on bts3. That the NA Casters are more interested in the NA games should not really be a surprise? Many People in general just don’t give a shit about many of these games… Probably about as much as the guys on the couch. I mean : „Team XYZ that plays in some NA league and just rolls over as soon as EG shows up is playing against some team that some time ago won a game against Liquid.“… DO YOU FEEL THE HYPE!!! I actually feel bad for the teams that have to play in the EU/Chinese qualifier... I wonder how they feel when watching the quality of some of these NA qualifier games… The big question was never about who should qualify. It was about seeing if NAR/Liquid for some random reason play worse than they are or not. They didn’t… No Hype or storyline was created. I know, its good for the NA scene and all that but for most viewers there is about 0 personal investment into these teams… There is SNA, Liquid, NAR and maybe SNA all the others you might or might not have heard off because you stumbled upon some NA-League stream you watched because Liquid/EG/NAR /SNA played… (well, Revenge got some attention too, but not really for their play ). | ||
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On May 14 2014 19:18 Velr wrote: 1. I don't think it will be any different if it's SEA or AM. The NA hub is focused on Dota.That the NA Casters are more interested in the NA games should not really be a surprise? Many People in general just don’t give a shit about many of these games… Probably about as much as the guys on the couch. I mean : „Team XYZ that plays in some NA league and just rolls over as soon as EG shows up is playing against some team that some time ago won a game against Liquid.“… DO YOU FEEL THE HYPE!!! I actually feel bad for the teams that have to play in the EU/Chinese qualifier... I wonder how they feel when watching the quality of some of these NA qualifier games… The big question was never about who should qualify. It was about seeing if NAR/Liquid for some random reason play worse than they are or not. They didn’t… No Hype or storyline was created. I know, its good for the NA scene and all that but for most viewers there is about 0 personal investment into these teams… There is SNA, Liquid, NAR and maybe SNA all the others you might or might not have heard off because you stumbled upon some NA-League stream you watched because Liquid/EG/NAR /SNA played… (well, Revenge got some attention too, but not really for their play ). 2. There are plenty of storylines in the AM region, it's the production's job to make you aware of them or to make it interesting. You've clearly just been watching the EU guys as you don't have a clue about it. 3. I could dismiss every tournament by saying that "it was about seeing if the top team for some random reason played worse". That's meaningless, most tournaments only have 1-2 favourites. 4. There's no personal investment because the biggest opportunity these guys get you have a large part of the casual playerbase sit and watch kittens. The qualifiers is the best place where you build personal investment for these teams. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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zezamer
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new NA teams seem quite good tbh | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
uG for ti4 champions | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4558 Posts
Revenge for all those times Americans complained about Peruvians. VIVA LA REVOLUCION | ||
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
On May 14 2014 20:02 Laurens wrote: You mean after beating Zephyr in the grand final.After thrashing EG 3-0 in the grand finals. Revenge for all those times Americans complained about Peruvians. VIVA LA REVOLUCION And thus begins the Peru vs Korea* era of Dota. | ||
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Nocticate
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On May 14 2014 20:22 teapoted wrote: You mean after beating Zephyr in the grand final. And thus begins the Peru vs Korea* era of Dota. Kpop is actually huge in Peru from what I've heard. | ||
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wurm
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On May 14 2014 20:58 Acritter wrote: When I play support, my cores do dumb shit and we lose. When I play a core, our supports struggle with such monumental tasks as buying courier and wards. This is quite the dilemma. hey there's a QQ thread for that ;p | ||
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Velr
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On May 14 2014 19:32 Shaella wrote: NA isn't that bad on the world stage you know. Yeah, thats why we see them in global tournaments all the time... On May 14 2014 17:06 teapoted wrote: 1. I don't think it will be any different if it's SEA or AM. The NA hub is focused on Dota. 2. There are plenty of storylines in the AM region, it's the production's job to make you aware of them or to make it interesting. You've clearly just been watching the EU guys as you don't have a clue about it. 3. I could dismiss every tournament by saying that "it was about seeing if the top team for some random reason played worse". That's meaningless, most tournaments only have 1-2 favourites. 4. There's no personal investment because the biggest opportunity these guys get you have a large part of the casual playerbase sit and watch kittens. The qualifiers is the best place where you build personal investment for these teams. 1. Possible. I was talking more about the people actually tuning in to game streams instead of watching kittens... I myself actually have the Kittenstream open and watch the games ingame if it seems interesting. 2. Yes, sure. But it's mainly storylines about Team XYZ upsetting Liquid. Most other stuff, to me, seems to be mainly personal drama which i really don't care about. Me totally missing all these storylines would be strange, I visit these Forums daily and watch games daily... NA Scene seems to be mainly about constant instability/team switching/dedication/blogboys and "RTZ/EG said something about Player/Team XYZ...". 3. Most tournaments have only 1-2 favorites? Actually atm there is only 1 true favorite and thats DK, behind them its a giant clusterfuck between the allready TI4 invited Teams... Or pls... Who are/were these "clear" favorites for ESL one, Dreamleague or Starladder? We now know that its DK, but before Starladder that also wasn't really the case. its hard to judge the strenght of teams/regions that allmost never play against each other. Before Alliance/Navis trips to China many people were saying that Whisp is overrated in the west and that the Chinese will show us how to deal with the hero... We now know how this turned out and its NOW obvious that the Chinese meta was behind... BUT we actually can compare NA Dota to EU Dota thanks to EG, Liquid and arguably C9. Liquid seems not T1 atm and is still rampaging thru most Teams in this qualification. So, either Liquid is suddenly playing really good again or the NA Scene is weak. I kinda hope that Liquid is strong again but that just seems to be the less likely explanation. 4. The opportunity was qualifying for TI to play against known T1 teams. But again, either Liquid (and Nar) suddenly improved and are near EG's level or there is just a big skillgap between them and most other NA Teams which makes this qualifire pretty boring. All else this was just NA-Dotaleague in fast forward. Will the EU qualifiers be diffrent? They got the potential and at least many of these teams are known because they are actually around for more than a few months… Btw : The « Kittenstream » still actually shows the games… At least when i watched. | ||
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