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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 09:06:02
October 05 2012 09:05 GMT
#23321
On October 05 2012 17:40 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 17:26 Mataza wrote:
On October 05 2012 17:08 Tobberoth wrote:
On October 05 2012 15:07 BurningSera wrote:
Ya i am not sure why drow got shitty items, she is like the easiest hero to design items on her. Elf girl <3

She's not an elf though, she's human. *picky*

Drow is to my knowledge a word for dark elf, a subform of elf.
Just because her new itemset makes her look like a man doesn´t mean she´s suddenly human.

Drow's lore states that she is a human raised by members of the Drow race.

I beg to differ
+ Show Spoiler [actual Lore] +
Traxex was a skilled archer in her oppressive underground homeland, the Underdark, until she grew sick of her kin's evil ways and fled to the surface world. As a part of her resolution, she joined the Sentinel, bringing her excellent marksmanship to the fray. Some of her abilities include stripping magical beings of their voices, and enchanting her arrows with an icy cold. While such powers are valuable, her true origin will never cease to linger around in the judging eyes of others.

Nowhere is it stated that she is human.
I don´t care for the new, legally copyright free lore she got in Dota 2. But even there she isn´t stated to be human, only to be beautiful unlike the ugly troll-like drow(that´s valve drow, not regular drow).

Unless of course "Travelers" or "girl-child" mean "human and definitely not elf".
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
October 05 2012 09:08 GMT
#23322
On October 05 2012 18:05 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 17:40 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On October 05 2012 17:26 Mataza wrote:
On October 05 2012 17:08 Tobberoth wrote:
On October 05 2012 15:07 BurningSera wrote:
Ya i am not sure why drow got shitty items, she is like the easiest hero to design items on her. Elf girl <3

She's not an elf though, she's human. *picky*

Drow is to my knowledge a word for dark elf, a subform of elf.
Just because her new itemset makes her look like a man doesn´t mean she´s suddenly human.

Drow's lore states that she is a human raised by members of the Drow race.

I beg to differ
+ Show Spoiler [actual Lore] +
Traxex was a skilled archer in her oppressive underground homeland, the Underdark, until she grew sick of her kin's evil ways and fled to the surface world. As a part of her resolution, she joined the Sentinel, bringing her excellent marksmanship to the fray. Some of her abilities include stripping magical beings of their voices, and enchanting her arrows with an icy cold. While such powers are valuable, her true origin will never cease to linger around in the judging eyes of others.

Nowhere is it stated that she is human.
I don´t care for the new, legally copyright free lore she got in Dota 2. But even there she isn´t stated to be human, only to be beautiful unlike the ugly troll-like drow(that´s valve drow, not regular drow).

Unless of course "Travelers" or "girl-child" mean "human and definitely not elf".

It clearly states in the dota 2 lore that she is not a drow. True, it doesn't say in clear text that she is human, but nothing else is mentioned and since it's clearly stated she is NOT a drow, it makes sense to assume she's human since it would probably be written out if she was an elf raised by drows.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
October 05 2012 09:08 GMT
#23323
On October 05 2012 18:05 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 17:40 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On October 05 2012 17:26 Mataza wrote:
On October 05 2012 17:08 Tobberoth wrote:
On October 05 2012 15:07 BurningSera wrote:
Ya i am not sure why drow got shitty items, she is like the easiest hero to design items on her. Elf girl <3

She's not an elf though, she's human. *picky*

Drow is to my knowledge a word for dark elf, a subform of elf.
Just because her new itemset makes her look like a man doesn´t mean she´s suddenly human.

Drow's lore states that she is a human raised by members of the Drow race.

I beg to differ
+ Show Spoiler [actual Lore] +
Traxex was a skilled archer in her oppressive underground homeland, the Underdark, until she grew sick of her kin's evil ways and fled to the surface world. As a part of her resolution, she joined the Sentinel, bringing her excellent marksmanship to the fray. Some of her abilities include stripping magical beings of their voices, and enchanting her arrows with an icy cold. While such powers are valuable, her true origin will never cease to linger around in the judging eyes of others.

Nowhere is it stated that she is human.
I don´t care for the new, legally copyright free lore she got in Dota 2. But even there she isn´t stated to be human, only to be beautiful unlike the ugly troll-like drow(that´s valve drow, not regular drow).

Unless of course "Travelers" or "girl-child" mean "human and definitely not elf".


Ya to me she will always be the drow from wc3 <3

+1 to fck new lore.

Some old drow pic from kunkka <3
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is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 05 2012 09:11 GMT
#23324
Phantom Lancer's agi buff feels really nice. Proc Jux far more often, as do illusions. The Q illusion along with the slow buff also seems to get an extra hit
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elt
Profile Joined July 2010
Thailand1092 Posts
October 05 2012 09:12 GMT
#23325
I don't know how Wizard of the Coast run their licensing but going with the old WC3 lore for this game would certainly be stepping on D&D/Forgotten Realms toes.

By dissociating Drows from Dark Elves in Dota 2 I guess there's your answer about that, too?
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murphs
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland418 Posts
October 05 2012 09:43 GMT
#23326
In the past I treated DOTA 2 and LoL the same, with contempt. I was furious when TL decided to move away from a SC2 and cover DOTA 2 also.

I've been playing a lot of DOTA 2 in the last 2 weeks.

It's really good and my opinion has transformed completely.

I was having fun pub-stomping with Lycan and now he's nerfed ;(

In college atm, looking forward to getting home and playing some more!
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 09:50:48
October 05 2012 09:47 GMT
#23327
On October 05 2012 18:43 murphs wrote:
In the past I treated DOTA 2 and LoL the same, with contempt. I was furious when TL decided to move away from a SC2 and cover DOTA 2 also.

I've been playing a lot of DOTA 2 in the last 2 weeks.

It's really good and my opinion has transformed completely.

I was having fun pub-stomping with Lycan and now he's nerfed ;(

In college atm, looking forward to getting home and playing some more!


Welcome to a brighter future my boy!

Edit:
Finally I get a win, after a losing streak today. My entire team knew how to play, and so did our opponents. I guess you gotta persevere through the bad games to get good ones once in a while.
Skol
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 05 2012 10:11 GMT
#23328
Radiance is so amazing on phantom lancer *_* Clear one wave -> get to clear every camp in the jungle and to clear another wave of the lane while you TP to farm another lane. Pfft at 820 or whatever who says you shouldn't get radi ;o
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Prime`Rib
Profile Joined September 2010
United States613 Posts
October 05 2012 10:16 GMT
#23329
On October 05 2012 19:11 Shikyo wrote:
Radiance is so amazing on phantom lancer *_* Clear one wave -> get to clear every camp in the jungle and to clear another wave of the lane while you TP to farm another lane. Pfft at 820 or whatever who says you shouldn't get radi ;o


Drum and Diffusal Blade made him a sick mid game hero.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
October 05 2012 10:17 GMT
#23330
On October 05 2012 19:11 Shikyo wrote:
Radiance is so amazing on phantom lancer *_* Clear one wave -> get to clear every camp in the jungle and to clear another wave of the lane while you TP to farm another lane. Pfft at 820 or whatever who says you shouldn't get radi ;o

Yeah when Shikyo advocates something, who cares what 820 or whatever say!
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 05 2012 10:22 GMT
#23331
On October 05 2012 19:16 Prime`Rib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 19:11 Shikyo wrote:
Radiance is so amazing on phantom lancer *_* Clear one wave -> get to clear every camp in the jungle and to clear another wave of the lane while you TP to farm another lane. Pfft at 820 or whatever who says you shouldn't get radi ;o


Drum and Diffusal Blade made him a sick mid game hero.

In my opinion if you pick a midgame hero PL is a terrible idea.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 10:35:47
October 05 2012 10:33 GMT
#23332
I mean you have to sort of realize the context of those midgame teamfight oriented builds, which is extremely aggressive teamfight heavy games in high level Chinese pubs. If you don't play carries in a way that they can have a presence in that period, your team has a high chance of just getting rolled over. So its either adapt carries in such a way that you can have a midgame presence, or play AM/Morph/Lycan/etc. every game, of which the latter option really isn't all that fun over a lot of games.

Obviously you will get slower pub games where Radiance is appropriate, but I personally think it's more fun to play these more active builds with higher midgame presence than to farm to Radiance + 2-3 items before doing anything.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 10:35:26
October 05 2012 10:33 GMT
#23333
On October 05 2012 19:11 Shikyo wrote:
Radiance is so amazing on phantom lancer *_* Clear one wave -> get to clear every camp in the jungle and to clear another wave of the lane while you TP to farm another lane. Pfft at 820 or whatever who says you shouldn't get radi ;o


Dude, that's the most traditional way to play pl......

820 never said you should not get radiance, when you add in the fact that everyone knew pl+radiance = strong, you'd have guessed that people will try their best to prevent the pl gets radiance and thus 820 was saying how to make pl more 'useful' during early/midgame. I bet 10pounds that he would go radiance straight away when he is playing against noobs having complete free farm for 15mins etc.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 05 2012 10:34 GMT
#23334
Sometimes the situation calls for it

e.g pubs.
WriterXiao8~~
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 05 2012 10:36 GMT
#23335
what if you like hitting creeps a lot though
i like to think of dota as a single player rpg with random encounters
it's like a final fantasy only in real time
RTRPG
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 05 2012 10:37 GMT
#23336
On October 05 2012 19:36 Dead9 wrote:
what if you like hitting creeps a lot though
i like to think of dota as a single player rpg with random encounters
it's like a final fantasy only in real time
RTRPG

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised given that Shikyo started off playing only PA...
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 10:38:53
October 05 2012 10:38 GMT
#23337
What is the skill build for Alchemist ?
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 10:47:36
October 05 2012 10:46 GMT
#23338
On October 05 2012 19:16 Prime`Rib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 19:11 Shikyo wrote:
Radiance is so amazing on phantom lancer *_* Clear one wave -> get to clear every camp in the jungle and to clear another wave of the lane while you TP to farm another lane. Pfft at 820 or whatever who says you shouldn't get radi ;o


Drum and Diffusal Blade made him a sick mid game hero.

funnily enough, I farm faster with diffu than with radiance. With diffu you need 2illu to clear big camp but that the only problem. You're still very fast and can farm your whole jungle under 40sec.

@blitz, you're supposed to max acid spray then stun then gg. One early point in GG around lvl 4 (i take it at level 1 but thats because i'm a greedy bastard).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Porkz
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark1027 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 10:46:59
October 05 2012 10:46 GMT
#23339
On October 05 2012 19:38 BlitzerSC wrote:
What is the skill build for Alchemist ?


depends on your lane and ur role.. If ur being left alone with freefarm might aswell max gold
If u however wanna be usefull, max spray/stun and go kill people
Great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 11:43:48
October 05 2012 11:42 GMT
#23340
Tbh most of the time its better to max Acid over Gold, given the increased gold cap and how bullshit Acid is at clearing stacked jungle camps, having 4 acid 1 gold 1 stun (for utility) will give you both far more lane presence and faster jungle farm that either 2 acid 4 gold or 1 acid 1 stun 1 gold. The key to alch is learning how to do bullshit jungle stack -> acid clears for infinite money

btw porkie ur quote needs more context, should include
firebolt: wow I don't have the most deaths on the team (or whatever he said that prompted me to notice the bug)
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