Courage Tournament (including Poles) - Page 28

On August 07 2006 18:17 Luhh wrote:
No need to flame 8882 really. In fact, if you ask a first generation or second generation immigrant wether they feel completely assimilated, just like the stereotype citizen of that particular nation, I'm sure nearly all of them would say - nah. The feeling is often that they are both nationalities or neither. That is what my friends think and feel on the matter that aren't "completely swedish" in lack of a better term.

Another normal and common reaction is that immigrants and minorities often become rather patriotic to their parents nation or their ancestors heritage and take some sort of pride in their difference. I can't really say if it's true pride or a reaction to their own difference compared to the stereotype citizens.

My personal take on things? If you are an:
- immigrant you are a citizen of that nation after a certain time, but I wouldn't go as far as to call an immigrant swedish normally.
- generation immigrant, then I would consider that person a swede if that person himself considers himself a swede and masters the language, ie not the familys language mother tongue. If that person would still have a strong accent and raised with different cultural values, then I would probably consider that person just as he is, a generation immigrant rather than a swede.

See, nothing rascist about that. Just common sense. Also, while looks may have an impact on how others perceive them, I prefer to go by how they perceive themselves. But in the end, I don't think anyone instinctively would consider an african generation immigrant a swede even if his swedish was perfect.

In history, what finally seems to determine these things is assimilation, in language, culture and looks. This happens over several generations, not just because your passport says so.

To me, that is just plain common sense. Not racism. The end.

Edit: Oh, and don't compare european countries with longer histories to the US, which is a new construct and a different kind of nation built on immigrants from varying nationalities, cultures and genepools from the get go and a very short history to boot.

On August 07 2006 17:02 Ilvy wrote:


your parents didn´t teach you how to talk about other ppl, you shouldnt have any cititzenship than i guess since there isn´t a "nation of faggots" made yet.

On August 07 2006 16:25 8882 wrote:
he is not polish. he has polish citizenship.
I speak german, does it make me german? lol

and if someone was black and played for korean football team, would it make him korean?
no you dumbass, he would still be black

some random nigger from africa got the citizenshp too and played for our football team, but he still is a random nigger and definitely not polish


a polish person is someone whose parents are polish

He un-necessarily threw nigger into his argument when he could've just as easily said "a black man" in his example.

On August 07 2006 16:25 8882 wrote:
he is not polish. he has polish citizenship.
I speak german, does it make me german? lol

and if someone was black and played for korean football team, would it make him korean?
no you dumbass, he would still be black

some random nigger from africa got the citizenshp too and played for our football team, but he still is a random nigger and definitely not polish


a polish person is someone whose parents are polish

On August 07 2006 20:57 bine wrote:

I feel just as much frustration about this as you do, but let's try to avoid shifting from one form of bigotry to another.

On August 07 2006 16:25 8882 wrote:
he is not polish. he has polish citizenship.
I speak german, does it make me german? lol

and if someone was black and played for korean football team, would it make him korean?
no you dumbass, he would still be black

some random nigger from africa got the citizenshp too and played for our football team, but he still is a random nigger and definitely not polish


a polish person is someone whose parents are polish

On August 07 2006 22:50 WOstick wrote:
fucking asshole

On August 08 2006 02:09 superjoppe wrote:

8882 is a _fucking asshole_ because of his opinion (which I share) ? Please grow up and improve your insults.