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IMPORTANT: the flights are now covered, and Amanda should be fine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285511¤tpage=25#487 further donations will be for "paying event salaries (casters, talent, staff, etc.) and other event-related expenses" | ||
Rocor
United States55 Posts
I think it would be good if IGN came out and let the community know what steps are being put in place so this kind of thing doesn't happen again. I am not sure how travel agencies work, but I usually have to pay up front for tickets before I actually get them. So what exactly went wrong and how can this be avoided in the future ? | ||
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lim1017
Canada1278 Posts
i didnt watch much of the event, and i have no idea who amanda is. a real picture and a little blurb from her couldnt hurt | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
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AnonymousXV
United States45 Posts
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
I also donated 10 bucks. ESPORTS donations ftw! | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On November 15 2011 09:51 dAPhREAk wrote: generalizing here, but spend $25-50,000 in attorney fees for the potential to recover less than $15,000. unlikely that even if you win that gus will be able to pay any judgment. in what world is this an intelligent decision? shouldn't ign have somekind of legal insurance so they don't have to foot the bill? my company does.... and we're gonna sue someone for 7k euros, just because we don't like the b****. | ||
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kolofome
United States96 Posts
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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Bart
494 Posts
Too bad i'm at work or I'll tune it for sure. | ||
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
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Waah
United States120 Posts
On November 15 2011 09:53 Xalorian wrote: Gus just won, now. No legal actions mean that he can just keep the money... One can consider that he won, but only for now. Sooner or later, he'll be screwed over too. At least, I imagine a person can't get very far in life manipulating others & treating them without any respect. On November 15 2011 09:56 lim1017 wrote: TBH whats wrong with putting a face on who were helping? i didnt watch much of the event, and i have no idea who amanda is. a real picture and a little blurb from her couldnt hurt I'm guessing the way the first person posted it gave off a negative connotation. | ||
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vojnik
Macedonia923 Posts
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
On November 15 2011 09:48 kaarotto wrote: Youre acticng kindly but isnt a bad precedent to be cheated and dont take legal actions or reprisal? It doesn't seem IPL has any legal footing to stand on. The legal burden seemingly lies with Amanda at this point, but we really don't know a lot of the details. Did she get Gus to sign a contract? Also, it depends on the laws of the Philippines. Even a verbal contract can be enforced in the U.S. if enough circumstantial evidence exists (i.e. a SC2 tourney being held, bills/receipts for flying people in for the tourney, etc.) In the end, IPL weren't the ones screwed out of money, although it may have tarnished their brand. They agreed to pay a certain amount ($14k) to sponsor the event and [from what I've read] had no dealings with the travel agency, flying people to the event, or booking hotel rooms. | ||
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Bart
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On November 15 2011 09:59 Nizaris wrote: should ipl have somekind of legal insurance so they don't have to foot the bill? my company does.... and we're gonna sue someone for 7k euros, just because we don't like the b****. i have heard of legal insurance in the states, but it is rare and usually its a shitty scam to fleece small businesses. large companies usually have lawyers inhouse and don't bother with claims this small unless they have a mass market where it makes sense to go after even smaller consumers (e.g., a cellphone company going after monthly bills, but even in those cases its usually a collections action). also, why waste the time and resources going after someone so small-time? how are you going to collect if you win a judgment? take his bike away from him? usually these kinds of collection issues are vetted before companies enter into a contract with unknown people. this was likely not done as the amount of money at stake is small, PI is a small esports community that is growing so not as many well known names, etc. anyways, legal action is neither prudent or cost-effective. IPL is showing its support by the PR moves they made and this community event to make money for amanda. as much as a cluster fuck that PPSL was, in my mind IPL is actually coming out of this as a hero. brilliant PR tacticians; truly amazing. | ||
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iS.flick
Switzerland47 Posts
On November 15 2011 08:05 Roxy wrote: Your remedy for fraud is more fraud? if you are not watching for a decent % of the time, that is stealing from companies that pay for ads on the stream I don't know if you're trolling or not. | ||
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Budzlight
United States578 Posts
On November 15 2011 09:33 kaarotto wrote: Why I was warned? Can anybody say me what rule I broke? Is it necessary to see a picture? Thought this was about helping out the cause not groping. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14042 Posts
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