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[G] Conterguide on how to be ahead

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OoOo
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany126 Posts
February 28 2011 21:27 GMT
#1
Conterguide?
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conterguide because i just read an other thread about it that had the in my view compleatly wrong idea but well well see^^. Please TL allow me my pride :D


The Myth
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Haven't you heard this sentence a thousand times "when you are ahead, use your advantage to get more ahead"?
It sounds nice, but so does a lot.


So then how do we know what is good?
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First of all id like to ask a simple question:
What does a player need to win?
Its AN advantage.


Ok go on
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So ceeping your advantage is enough. you dont need to enlarge it



Why shouldn't I?
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First i Want to ask a question:
How does a player gets an advantage?
Either he does something that is good(wins a battle,have an expo running for quite some time,snipe something important) or the enemy does something bad (looses a battle, is behind for quite a while)
to sum it up its like this:
One player does a better decision than to other.
So if you do a bad decision trying you get a bigger advantage you will lose some or all of your advantage.


But then how do i do a good decision?
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By doing something that isnt bad.


Ahhm WHAT?
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You should focus on keeping your advantage. Just ceep playing your normal game and dont try anything stupid.


That doesnt sound like advice!
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Ok let me try to explain it more simple. 2 players are playing exactly equal. then 1 player looses 10 food of units because of stupidity.
Then both players play exactly equal again. Who will win? The player who got the advantage and just cept it


But doesnt the pros do it?
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Yes, a pro player might alter his build a little by getting an expo a little faster, getting out a few more drones than he planed to or skiping a cannon that isnt needet, but that it no big change in their play!


But then shouldnt i do that?
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Yes of corse, if you know that it is a good decision. The pros know, belive me but you usually dont. Of corse you can try getting an advantage that is a little bigger that your former advantage, but if you are to greedy you might lose some advantage.


Ps
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First of all im german so if anyone wants to improve my spelling ill change my post.
Secondly please dont complain about the spelling^^
Thirdly if you have any questions or comments on this guide im open for discusion
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
February 28 2011 21:29 GMT
#2
I really don't have any words for this....

conter?!?!?!
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Souljah
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States423 Posts
February 28 2011 21:32 GMT
#3
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gr8ape
Profile Joined July 2008
Canada302 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 21:33:58
February 28 2011 21:33 GMT
#4
Larger armies win by larger margins. That means if you attack you will end up even more ahead usually.

For example is you attack 10 marauders with like 6 zealots and 1 colossi and a couple stalkers, you might lose maybe half you gateway army and win. If you have 4 colossi you will probably lose like 1-2 zealots...
Provocateur
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1665 Posts
February 28 2011 21:36 GMT
#5
So the content of this thread is equivalent to writing "I think it's better to play good than bad". Might want to include some actual content before you make an entire thread.
OoOo
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany126 Posts
February 28 2011 21:37 GMT
#6
On March 01 2011 06:33 gr8ape wrote:
Larger armies win by larger margins. That means if you attack you will end up even more ahead usually.

For example is you attack 10 marauders with like 6 zealots and 1 colossi and a couple stalkers, you might lose maybe half you gateway army and win. If you have 4 colossi you will probably lose like 1-2 zealots...


or your enemy has build 2 sidgetanks and 4 vikins instead of the 10 marauders hey you have just evend out the game
palanq
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States761 Posts
February 28 2011 21:38 GMT
#7
ahh soo many spoilers and so little text

basically you are missing the subtext of "when you are ahead, get more ahead." that piece of advice doesn't mean you should do risky things that could lose you your advantage. like you say, you get more ahead by doing little things, like "getting an expo a little faster, getting out a few more drone...[or skipping] a cannon that [isn't] [needed]".
time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana
OoOo
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany126 Posts
February 28 2011 21:39 GMT
#8
On March 01 2011 06:36 Provocateur wrote:
So the content of this thread is equivalent to writing "I think it's better to play good than bad". Might want to include some actual content before you make an entire thread.


Actually the problem is most people try to hard to enlarge their advantage what results in loosing your advantage. I want to tell people that it is better to ceep your advantage, instead of using it and loosing it.
this sounds like useful information to me dont you think=
Jank
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States308 Posts
February 28 2011 21:39 GMT
#9
So basically you made a bunch of spoiler tags that essentially say nothing useful. I'm guessing you lost a bunch of games trying to "get more ahead" by playing stupidly and taking risks. The reason behind "get more ahead" is that your advantage makes it SAFE for you to take that slightly earlier expo or make that extra round of drones, etc. Whereas if you tried to just go and kill them the advantage isn't so large that you're guarenteed to win. If you just try to keep your advantage the longer the game goes on the less that advantage is going to matter and the more small factors are going to come into play that can even out the game.
"You don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day." - Michael Parenti
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27178 Posts
February 28 2011 21:39 GMT
#10
to quote the person that reported this thread...

my brain is full of fuck
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